Gah, the plateau hits again.

[biglc0]

Originally Posted by phat chick

ps- are you going on a date???? ;-P

Yes and no, if that makes sense.


Yeah what I've been doing for my meals is things like:

Meal #1: Bagel

Meal #2: Salad w/ ranch (can't eat it dry, plus, I love ranch, should give you a hint where I'm from)

Meal #3: Half a Roast Beef Sandwhich/Turkey Sandwhich w/ an apple/banana

Meal #4: Salad or the other half of the Sandwhich + a piece of fruit

After about 2 hours after this meal, I go work out. Once I'm done, I take meal 5.

Meal #5: 1 Scoop of LeanShake and 1 Scoop of Muscle Milk mixed w/ water.

I can easily keep track of this in a diary, which I am. I need to figure out my starting weight as it might've dropped/went up soon. I'll find that out tonight I'm pretty sure. And as it goes for cheating, it'll be tough for me, as I used to eat 6 BIG meals a day to gain weight to play football. And it sucks because you could almost eat anything. Now I have to push myself down to the nitty gritty, but the foods I have chosen are all great in taste and I shouldn't get tired of them too fast *knock on wood*. I'm afraid if I cheat once a week, I might cheat twice a week, etc. Just because I'm allowing my body to eat things like that. But I think I can tough it out.

Thanks all .

[phat chick]

Is it like, it's just you and a girl but you're not sure where she stands yet (friends or date)?? ha ha. I'm sorry. Hey i'm a girl! I'm hardwired to wonder about gossip and get overly involved in other people's lives.

I'm a fan of Layne Norton and found an article about college drinking:

Bodybuilding.com - Layne Norton - Bodybuilding Nutrition For The College Student!

Actually it talks about "college life" in general, i thought it would be appropriate for this thread

[biglc0]

Haha, you're pretty close. It's very interesting and confusing (or so my friends say). I wouldn't mind telling you the whole thing if you wanted to know.


That article on the Alcohol was great. Even though the breathalizer thing is pretty off.

His meals compared to mine are a lot bigger and have a lot more food.

Here's my problem.

I calculated a while back to gain muscle I needed 1200g of protein a day and 6500 calories (I think that's right?, might've mixed something up).

Now, during that time, it was so tough to eat that much. But I could hit 7000 a day eventually. Now I feel as if I'm almost starving myself to death. I feel like I cut myself out of 5000 calories and that I'm only consuming around 2000 a day. I guess that's what my log will be for is to keep track. I feel as if I eat more than a bagel for breakfast, I'm over doing it. But if I just eat the bagel I'm under doing it.

And wow, this post is long. Sorry for asking all these damn questions. And again, thanks.

[phat chick]

Hmm. 6500 is lots IMO but some types need to go that high (like ectomorphic people who are generally tall and lanky and are lean no matter what they do). And yes it IS hard to eat that much. I'm jealous, as that is often like, my monday to friday put together LMAO but i'm opposite. I hang on (or build) muscle easily...but getting lean is a nightmare. Which is why i'm usually in this subforum LMAO i feel like i am in a perpetual state of losing fat. Mind you, my grocery bill is awefully cheap LMAO. Probably the only advantage *w*

The 5000 cal/day jump is a lot. I mean, any time you're dieting you'll be somehwat hungry (inevitably) but that's a big jump. Usually when leaning out for a competition, athletes will gradually take away calories and add cardio all very systematically. One reason is that if you right hardcore all at once you'll likely burn out fast and when you're body stops responding, then what? You've got no tricks left. Plus the shock of a sudden and huge decrease in cals is usually is too much for your body to handle and that's when lean tissue loss really becomes a risk. The same in reverse is true....if someone is severely undereating, have them gradually build up their cals to a "regular" amount. If they went straight to "normal" they'll be storing it as fat even though mathmatically, it would be the appropriate caloric range for an individual of that height/weight. This is why many girls blow up like baloons after a show... you can't go from extreme dieting to normal the next day. Been there! LOL.

now, 2000 seems low to me for someone at aprox 265 and at approx 20%.... I would put you a bit higher, around approx 3000 cals/day and a macro profile of 50% protein, 35-40% carbs and 10-15% fat (BTW 1 g of protein = 4 cals, 1g of carb = 4 cals, 1g of fat =9cals) and work from there. It would be a good starting point to see how your body responds, and then from there manipulate the diet. Maybe try carb rotations (some high day and some low days), and when you hit plateaus start to shave some of the numbers down progressively.

Some people like to diet down on higher fat and lower carb, and some reverse. Some people respond better to one than the other. Generally the protein stays relatively consistant throughout the entire diet.

Keep in mind i am not a professional trainer/diet coach so don't get LOCKED IN to what i say. No matter who gives you advice, it is always wise to research on your own to validate it. Mind you i try to make as accurate responses as possible ;-P Also, each individual will respond slightly different so there is no "ONE" magic diet plan. There is a degree of experimentation. Make a plan, do it, then observe the results...and change as necessary...then repeat ;-P

Hey, the whole point of forums is to ask questions and share info...Don't feel bad for asking!!

[phat chick]

LMAO ps---you wanna see some long posts? just look at most of mine ROFLMAO. Being chatty is a curse at times.

[phat chick]

Originally Posted by biglc0

Yes and no, if that makes sense.


Yeah what I've been doing for my meals is things like:

Meal #1: Bagel

Meal #2: Salad w/ ranch (can't eat it dry, plus, I love ranch, should give you a hint where I'm from)

Meal #3: Half a Roast Beef Sandwhich/Turkey Sandwhich w/ an apple/banana

Meal #4: Salad or the other half of the Sandwhich + a piece of fruit

After about 2 hours after this meal, I go work out. Once I'm done, I take meal 5.

Meal #5: 1 Scoop of LeanShake and 1 Scoop of Muscle Milk mixed w/ water.

I can easily keep track of this in a diary, which I am. I need to figure out my starting weight as it might've dropped/went up soon. I'll find that out tonight I'm pretty sure. And as it goes for cheating, it'll be tough for me, as I used to eat 6 BIG meals a day to gain weight to play football. And it sucks because you could almost eat anything. Now I have to push myself down to the nitty gritty, but the foods I have chosen are all great in taste and I shouldn't get tired of them too fast *knock on wood*. I'm afraid if I cheat once a week, I might cheat twice a week, etc. Just because I'm allowing my body to eat things like that. But I think I can tough it out.

Thanks all .

PS your diet is starting to look good....try to have protein at every meal. You'll need some more protein with your bagel (egg whites, even a shake, maybe cottage cheese). Same with meal 2....some meat on that salad would be nice.

[biglc0]

Yeah and I've been wondering about lowering the calories, because at the start of the first semester when I first moved here, I would only eat a special K bar for the day, which is, idk 150 calories total, and I would be fine. My body would never say it was hungry, just that it always felt full. Now I don't know if this had anything to do with the altitude or just because I moved to one of the healthiest cities in America. But I'm guessing it's more of an enviromental effect, everyone else is healthy so it just takes my mind over and tells me I always need to eat healthy and be healthy.

But, I guess I gotta go get my george forman from my neighbor

Oh EDIT!: Last night one of my brothers wanted to know my diet. I told him about the Muscle Milk and he told me to get rid of that if I want to burn fat. I don't understand that as to is says on the front BURN FAT. I know it helps your body make more creatine, or so it says, and that's really good, as I will never take creatine alone.

[phat chick]

To be honest i'd rather see you eat the muscle milk than skip a meal.

Muscle milk isn't used much for cutting, as it's higher fat and carbs than (for instance) a whey isolate (which is basically just the protein part). If you can make it work into your total calories and macronutrients, AND you're still getting your results, why take it out? That stuff tastes insanely good. I don't buy it cause i'll just eat the whole thing right out of the tub LOL.

Many labels say all sorts of things like "burn fat"...even a chocolate bar will say "energy bar" LOL. Those kind of statements are often vague and there is no bylaw (side note, in canada there is labelling laws to what you're able to call "low fat" and "no fat"). You could put "burn fat" on a can of spam if you really wanted to.

Although if you are on a budget, muscle milk is pricey (around here it is anyway) unless you can get it for a deal. I've been converted to True Protein | High Quality Nutrition and Protein Supplements. I LOVE thier protein, i just get a whey isolate (they have so many choices) like a cold-filtration whey that ends up being about $9 per pound. Even with the shipping costs it's cheaper than buying something here from the store. And i love their flavour. Seriously---i've been using banana for 2 years straight LOL.

As for creatine....There are soooooo many schools of thought on this and to be honest, i'm not really sure who's got the right answer. I take it a certain way because my trainer tells me so LOL and i do trust him. The way i take it is in a mix: 25% creatine, 25% glutamine, 50% bcabba's (i make a custom mix at trueprotein). Sometimes the amounts vary depending on where i'm at on my diet. I take this 4x a day (before am cardio, before & after training, before bed). I don't take it with anything other than water.

Yeah, go get your george forman grill ;-P

[phat chick]

Originally Posted by biglc0

I would only eat a special K bar for the day, which is, idk 150 calories total, and I would be fine. My body would never say it was hungry, just that it always felt full. Now I don't know if this had anything to do with the altitude or just because I moved to one of the healthiest cities in America. .

It's strange but sometimes when you're not eating enough your body just isn't hungry. Doesnt' necessarily mean that it's a good thing LOL it's like it just shuts down cause it knows it's not going to get anyting. It could also be a mental thing, like severe stress seems to suppress appetite (like after a major break-up for instance). I've never been high altitude myself, but adjustment to your environment is a plausible contributing factor.

[Gill]

Since we are sharing cheat stories right now...

I just got back from Charleston, SC. I went to stay with my girlfriend for the weekend. We went out Friday and Saturday night and started drinking around 7pm and didnt stop until about 4am both nights. There were a few times where those pesky calorie thoughts entered my mind, but I used Irish Car Bombs to wash them down, haha.

Right now, I'm nursing a hangover of epic proportions while simultaneously trying to get back to eating properly so my workout week can start back strong tomorrow. It may be frustrating when I hit that scale in the morning and see I gained back 2 pounds, but the memories and experiences I have from the past two days will be completely worth it.

Back to bed I go, lol.

[Renegade68]

Mmmm - Irish Car Bombs. Been a couple years. May have to set some of those up this weekend.

[phat chick]

ROFLMAO!!! "hangover of epic proportions". Ahh that's when you know you had a REAL good time ;-P

I haven't gotten trashed in years until this past new years eve, where i went to town on gin & tonics and didn't go to bed till 7am. I remember thinking "by now i would have finished my morning cardio" LOL. It took a good couple of days to feel normal.

I'm embarrased....but i have to google Irish Car Bomb LOL

[Gill]

You and your gin and tonics! We need to get you a better drink, haha!

Irish Car Bombs are basically the most fattening shooter out there but so unbelievably good. Its about 6oz of Guiness in a glass with a shot of Bailey's Irish Cream on the side. You hold the glass in one hand and the shot in the other. Drop the shot into the glass and chug!

Well after two days of hard drinking, I'm holding about 1.6lbs of guilt weight that I didn't have when I went. Getting that back off should be a piece of cake... or shot of liquor for that sake

[RyanLRams]

Originally Posted by phat chick

It's strange but sometimes when you're not eating enough your body just isn't hungry. Doesnt' necessarily mean that it's a good thing LOL it's like it just shuts down cause it knows it's not going to get anyting. It could also be a mental thing, like severe stress seems to suppress appetite (like after a major break-up for instance).

I have a friend that you just described to a "T". She is going through a nasty divorce and her life is pretty hard. Single mother that didn't work has to work now to support three kids and a house and a car and gets zero help from dead-beat dad. (This is the severe stress)

Is there a solution for the lack of appetite? This is her eating routine: coffee in the am, maybe something like a teriyaki bowl for lunch and a rice cake at dinner. I try to talk her into eating more, but she says he just isn't hungry. She laughs at it as the best diet ever cause she has lost 2 waist sizes... mind you, she is 5'6", 33yo and 130lbs. I don't really see where she can lose waist sizes. I have talked her into at least eating some oatmeal in the am, but it doesn't happen often. In addition to her lack of appetite, she is always sick in one manner or another, always tired and doesn't sleep well at all. It looks to me as if everything is related, but I feel like if I can get her to at least eat more often, hungry or not, she will have more energy and will eventually get healthy enough to quit being sick all the time.

Sorry about that ramble. Question is, how do I get her to eat more? I bring it up and tell her it's not healthy and she just tells me to jump off a cliff. I tell her she will have more energy, and she says she can't eat if she isn't hungry. Maybe she just doesn't want to be better....

[phat chick]

Originally Posted by Gill

You and your gin and tonics! We need to get you a better drink, haha!

Irish Car Bombs are basically the most fattening shooter out there but so unbelievably good. Its about 6oz of Guiness in a glass with a shot of Bailey's Irish Cream on the side. You hold the glass in one hand and the shot in the other. Drop the shot into the glass and chug!

Well after two days of hard drinking, I'm holding about 1.6lbs of guilt weight that I didn't have when I went. Getting that back off should be a piece of cake... or shot of liquor for that sake

HAHA okay i admit, g & t's are kinda nasty....that's why i pound them real fast! ;-p

Oooee irish car bomb sounds delicious. I'll have to try that next time i'm in a binge drinking mode (stupid all-or-nothing mentality).

Anyway, i don't think i could handle 2 days of hard drinking LMAO it would take me a full week to recover. *sigh* i'm getting old.

[Gill]

Not old! Just more experienced!

Knowing you, you're probably drafting up a whopper of a response to Ryan's post. Just incase you missed it, it looks like it definitely needs one of your thorough responses!

[phat chick]

Originally Posted by RyanLRams

I have a friend that you just described to a "T". She is going through a nasty divorce and her life is pretty hard. Single mother that didn't work has to work now to support three kids and a house and a car and gets zero help from dead-beat dad. (This is the severe stress)

Is there a solution for the lack of appetite? This is her eating routine: coffee in the am, maybe something like a teriyaki bowl for lunch and a rice cake at dinner. I try to talk her into eating more, but she says he just isn't hungry. She laughs at it as the best diet ever cause she has lost 2 waist sizes... mind you, she is 5'6", 33yo and 130lbs. I don't really see where she can lose waist sizes. I have talked her into at least eating some oatmeal in the am, but it doesn't happen often. In addition to her lack of appetite, she is always sick in one manner or another, always tired and doesn't sleep well at all. It looks to me as if everything is related, but I feel like if I can get her to at least eat more often, hungry or not, she will have more energy and will eventually get healthy enough to quit being sick all the time.

Sorry about that ramble. Question is, how do I get her to eat more? I bring it up and tell her it's not healthy and she just tells me to jump off a cliff. I tell her she will have more energy, and she says she can't eat if she isn't hungry. Maybe she just doesn't want to be better....

Yeah us girls often make jokes that the two best diets ever are a break up or mono.

I"ve never had mono, but i've been through two really painful breakups in my life. Also seeing close friends go through painful breakups... there really isn't much you can do to force feed someone. It's really great though, that she has such a good friend (you!) who cares.

When you're going through that kind of stress, you're literally going to throw up anything you eat. Eventually your appetite will return (for me it was with a vengeance!), but it can take months. Plus your stress and extremely high cortisol is unfortunately causing major weight loss and not choosing between which type of tissue (fat or muscle) it's eating away at.

Until she becomes at peace with her situation (which is time and mental & emotional work) sometimes having her sip on something liquid is easier than a solid meal. Ideally a protein shake of sorts. But in this instance...ANYTHING with calories would be a good idea.

I really feel for this girl. I hope she's okay. It's good to see she's got friends like you and i hope her family is there? Just as well the dad isn't in the picture anymore!

[phat chick]

Originally Posted by Gill

Not old! Just more experienced!

Knowing you, you're probably drafting up a whopper of a response to Ryan's post. Just incase you missed it, it looks like it definitely needs one of your thorough responses!

HAHAHA Gill, you already seem to know me well!! ;-P

I tried to keep it short. BUt the situation is sad. And also, it's REALLY REALLY HARD to force feed someone. My really good girlfriend just went through something similar and she wasted away to nothing. And i tried everything. There just wasn't anything she could eat. A protein shake or gatorade was the best we managed. Minus the night of china whites & apple martinis.

I can't remember how much weight i lost when i was in breakup mode...something like 17 lbs in two weeks. I couldn't even eat peanut butter (you know it's bad when...LOL as under normal circumstances, i can down a jar in under 10 min).

Even though the emotional pain was still there, my "healhty appetite" didn't take long to kick back in...i was eating by the fourth week. And then it became me, Ben, Jerry and the sappiest chick flicks you can think of. Needless to say, you can imagine what happened to my physique after that.