Need Help - Sports Training Routine - Jumping Focus

[Snaplifter]

k you make a very valid point i was just saying that being able to squat that much is a good goal to have. Iunderstand that are many different ways to increase your vert i guess i was just more or less trying to throw some ideas out to the op.

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by Snaplifter

k you make a very valid point i was just saying that being able to squat that much is a good goal to have. Iunderstand that are many different ways to increase your vert i guess i was just more or less trying to throw some ideas out to the op.

Cool if thats what it was, because I dont want to yank your chain if you are doing nothing other than trying to help someone...so my apologies if so.

It just seemed by the way I read your post that you were solely stating that if someone squatted 1.5 x their body weight that they'd be able to dunk...like it was a pre-requisite.

I basically agree that squatting will help the original poster, so you were'nt necessasarily wrong in what you were trying to say.

[iko172202]

P90X plyometrics lol....its a mutha f*cker

[olympicweightlifter]

Originally Posted by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives

I agree to a point, but when you talk about "having to do squats" or "you must be able to squat 1.5 times your bodyweight", well thats where you lose me. I never squated a day in my life until after I became an adult, my vertical was increased by plyometrics and basketball drills.

So it's just foolish to ever offer up advice with a "sole reason for success" or to preach a "one way method for all"

Because we should all know that there are numerous avenues to get to ones destination and your only advice in your first post to the guy was "YOU MUST BE ABLE TO SQUAT 1.5 TIMES YOUR BODYWEIGHT."

If you really knew about increasing ones verticle leap, then you would undertsand it has nothing to do with the amount of force one can generate with their legs. Other wise the next dunking champion would be Maruis Pudznowski....And before you go onto slow twitch, fast twitch, MARIUS DOESNT SQUAT SLOW, HE TRAINS LIKE A BEAST IN FAST SUCCESSION...So maybe someone should hit him up, throw him a ball and let him start doing 360 tomahawk dunks

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dude you have no idea what your talking about at all. first of all the vertical jump has everything to do with how much force you can put into the ground. all plyometrics do is make you more efficient at putting your strength into the ground. second of all power(which vertical jump is a measure of)= strength x speeds. what hell is the point of doing plyometrics if you no strength base to begin with? did you also know that the average nba draft has an average standing vertical jump of 27inchs while a linebacks have standing vertical jumps excess of 37inchs? lastly did you also know that the group of athletes with the highest vertical jump in the world by far are weightlifters.

[TheHorseman]

Originally Posted by olympicweightlifter

dude you have no idea what your talking about at all. first of all the vertical jump has everything to do with how much force you can put into the ground. all plyometrics do is make you more efficient at putting your strength into the ground. second of all power(which vertical jump is a measure of)= strength x speeds. what hell is the point of doing plyometrics if you no strength base to begin with? did you also know that the average nba draft has an average standing vertical jump of 27inchs while a linebacks have standing vertical jumps excess of 37inchs? lastly did you also know that the group of athletes with the highest vertical jump in the world by far are weightlifters.

I'm not going to argue on either side here because you both make valid points. On OWL's point of linebackers, I'd venture to say that Kevin Durant couldn't squat his weight... LOL he couldn't bench it once.

Nonetheless, there are a lot of factors that go into jumping and a LOT of different avenues to train to get there. I believe almost any form of explosive training will help. Flexibility is also a major factor. I think the calves are overrated for jumping (I have big calves and have always had an impressive vertical, but I don't attribute that to them). The hams and quads generate a large degree of the movement, but don't discount the shoulders - think I'm wrong, try to jump with your arms pinned to your side. Then do it with them free hanging and use them.

I train a lot of athletes that must increase their verticals, and I use a variety of different exercises, styles, etc.

Bottom line, one MUST train for explosion.

On another note, I think actually dunking is a big psychological obstacle as well. I could EASILY grab a rim with two hands off of two feet very early. I could hit a 10 foot rim with an elbow in my mid 20s. Yet, I couldn't throw it down because for some reason, I wouldn't go up with 2 hands.

While in Saudi Arabia in 2000, the goals were (legitimately measured) 10'5" to keep the many Army morons from tearing them down. I did NOT know that at the time - while I thought they were high, I didn't know HOW high. Nonetheless, on a fast break, my friend threw me a lob and it was kind of behind me - I caught it and dunked it two handed (after adjusting in the air). They told me how high they were and a Civil Engineer kid actually measured it in front of me. After that, I NEVER had a problem dunking two handed again. Before that, I had only dunked a regulation hoop like 2 times, and once was on a lob.

So, convince yourself you can do it (once you have the ability), and your chances of hammering one down will be much higher...

[olympicweightlifter]

Originally Posted by TheHorseman

I'm not going to argue on either side here because you both make valid points. On OWL's point of linebackers, I'd venture to say that Kevin Durant couldn't squat his weight... LOL he couldn't bench it once.

no. this guy doesn't make any valid points and has no idea what he is talking about and is spreading misinformation. a little over a year ago i started o-lifting with a really good coach and was full squating in the very low 200's(been lifting for about 2 beforehand i thought i had bad genetics thats why my gains were so slow, i was also a fat chubby slow teenager i couldn't even touch the rim back then.). at first it was almost all technique work. 2 months later the weights started to get heavy and i was squating 5 days a week. then 6. then 7. a year later i am now squating(obviously atg) in the low 400's easily. never did i practice any plyometrics, sprint work, play sports etc during that timeframe(i do now though). i deloaded for about a couple of days and then decided to see if i could touch the rim. was surprised as hell how high i got. i then got a basketball and tried to dunk. missed a couple of time(not because i couldnt jump high enough) . i then was able to consistently dunk. all of those gains in vertical was from olympic lifting.

[vassille]

Originally Posted by olympicweightlifter

no. this guy doesn't make any valid points and has no idea what he is talking about and is spreading misinformation. a little over a year ago i started o-lifting with a really good coach and was full squating in the very low 200's(been lifting for about 2 beforehand i thought i had bad genetics thats why my gains were so slow, i was also a fat chubby slow teenager i couldn't even touch the rim back then.). at first it was almost all technique work. 2 months later the weights started to get heavy and i was squating 5 days a week. then 6. then 7. a year later i am now squating(obviously atg) in the low 400's easily. never did i practice any plyometrics, sprint work, play sports etc during that timeframe(i do now though). i deloaded for about a couple of days and then decided to see if i could touch the rim. was surprised as hell how high i got. i then got a basketball and tried to dunk. missed a couple of time(not because i couldnt jump high enough) . i then was able to consistently dunk. all of those gains in vertical was from olympic lifting.

+1,
It's common sense

[TheHorseman]

Originally Posted by olympicweightlifter

no. this guy doesn't make any valid points and has no idea what he is talking about and is spreading misinformation. a little over a year ago i started o-lifting with a really good coach and was full squating in the very low 200's(been lifting for about 2 beforehand i thought i had bad genetics thats why my gains were so slow, i was also a fat chubby slow teenager i couldn't even touch the rim back then.). at first it was almost all technique work. 2 months later the weights started to get heavy and i was squating 5 days a week. then 6. then 7. a year later i am now squating(obviously atg) in the low 400's easily. never did i practice any plyometrics, sprint work, play sports etc during that timeframe(i do now though). i deloaded for about a couple of days and then decided to see if i could touch the rim. was surprised as hell how high i got. i then got a basketball and tried to dunk. missed a couple of time(not because i couldnt jump high enough) . i then was able to consistently dunk. all of those gains in vertical was from olympic lifting.

Dude you're preaching to the choir. The explosive fibers required to blast ATG are the same ones required to push the floor down (AKA jump) and tear the rim off.

However, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Personally, I train a teenager for sport, they're squatting, ATG first thing, before anything. With that being said, the benefits of plyos, sprinting (and technique work) cannot be argued for increasing explosiveness, vert leap, etc. Luckily we don't live in a vacuum and all of these things are at our disposal for sports training.

[Jim]

don't make me cleanup in here again pls.

[TheHorseman]

Originally Posted by Jim

don't make me cleanup in here again pls.

Brother Jim! My homeboy. I was good this time. Hey man, wanna unlock musclesntx and send me the password? I've been really well behaved, pimping your supps and telling people how you are the man.

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