back and chest help

[MP Football]

When i do chest shoulders and back im rarely ever sore and if i am its usually very little. for back i do usually do wide grip pulldowns, dead lifts, rows etc. for shoulders ill do plate raises, military presses, upright rows i think there called. etc. So what do you guys do that give you a good work out im really lookin for some more back ones.

Also if your not sore the day after does that mean your not getting a good workout? I work them hard and i dont slack off so am i still gettin a workout if im not sore the next day?
thanks

[dyeguy1212]

soreness doesnt mean ****, unless its chronic sreness from over training or something. Your good.

Hit the dealifts hard, then get some wide grip pull ups and db rows in

[MP Football]

Thanks dyeguy you always respond to my posts lol and your usually the only one too

[stimilus]

Wide arm pull ups for the lats. Military pull ups for the inner upper back, reverse flies, and hell yes, some dead lifts.