Starting out at 18

[Bowditch124]

I am jst starting out am 18 and about 155lb, i have bought creatine and whey protein and was just wondering how long it would be till i start to notice muscle growth if i am working out approx 1hr 30mns a day

[BlackWinterDay]

Drop the creatine and get reading on here. Get your diet, rest, and routine right. Those are what you need to grow. The time it takes to notice growth depends a lot on your rest and diet.

I strongly suggest you get to reading.

[Bowditch124]

How much rest would you recommend ?

[Gill]

Each person is different, but try not to drop below 7 hours of sleep a night and 24 hours between workouts. If you're trying to build mass, 48 hour workout splits are the way to go.

[Bowditch124]

Just wondering whether by consuming more protein such as Whey will this reduce the rest period between workouts? because ideally i want to be working out everyday but dont want it to hinder my muscle growth

[No_Logic]

all depends on the routine, but regardless, you need days of rest where you dont lift.....i make these days my cardio days, so even while bulking, i can keep the fat gain to a minimum. post your split (training routine) in another thread and get peoples input and go ahead and post up your (planned) diet as well (this is HUGE for weightlifting). Youre on a board with some of the best with people who know A LOT about bodybuilding/weightlifting in general, so youll be able to get everything ironed out......i strongly recommend you post your diet and routine, the help I've gotten on this site from these guys has really helped me come a long way.

[BlackWinterDay]

No, I think the 48hour split for mass is bull****. It's all about not giving up. Consistency. I work one muscle group a day & look at me.

[Gill]

I was speaking of resting secondaries when I referred to a 48 hour split (ie: don't work tri's the day after you work chest.).

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by BlackWinterDay

No, I think the 48hour split for mass is bull****. It's all about not giving up. Consistency. I work one muscle group a day & look at me.

Working out one bodypart per day/ per week is an inferior way to train.
Sure, you'll make progress off it, but that doesnt justify training this way if there is a way to train that will get you there faster.

I have made the most progress since I changed from this below

M- Chest
T - Legs
W - Back
T - Shoulders
F - Arms
S - Off
S - Off

To this

M - Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
T - Back/Legs/Biceps
W - Off
Th - Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
Fr - Back/Legs/Biceps
S - Off
S - Off


Training once per week, per part will come out to about 52 chest workouts per year, 52 shoulder, 52 leg days, etc, etc.. But twice per week and now you will have 104 chest workouts, 104 shoulders, 104 leg workouts, etc, etc And if recovery is brought up, I get 3 days off per week, so recovery is not an issue. So with this in mind, you can obviously see why once per week is far inferior to twice per week.

My 2 cents

[BlackWinterDay]

Originally Posted by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives

Working out one bodypart per day/ per week is an inferior way to train.
Sure, you'll make progress off it, but that doesnt justify training this way if there is a way to train that will get you there faster.

I have made the most progress since I changed from this below

M- Chest
T - Legs
W - Back
T - Shoulders
F - Arms
S - Off
S - Off

To this

M - Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
T - Back/Legs/Biceps
W - Off
Th - Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
Fr - Back/Legs/Biceps
S - Off
S - Off


Training once per week, per part will come out to about 52 chest workouts per year, 52 shoulder, 52 leg days, etc, etc.. But twice per week and now you will have 104 chest workouts, 104 shoulders, 104 leg workouts, etc, etc And if recovery is brought up, I get 3 days off per week, so recovery is not an issue. So with this in mind, you can obviously see why once per week is far inferior to twice per week.

My 2 cents

You know I never thought of it that way. My whole logic behind it was that my secondary muscles won't be as tired. So, having chest one day will allow me to go harder/heavier than if I were to do chest and shoulders wouldn't the numbers go down?

I'm not saying you're wrong or that I'm right. I'm just wondering if this comes into effect.

I'm gonna give you're routine a try next week.

[No_Logic]

Originally Posted by BlackWinterDay

I'm gonna give you're routine a try next week.

You'll like it, I switched to this exact split and won't ever go back to the once per week one. I usually make one day my heavy day though and then the other time I go lighter with more reps. This is what has helped me grow in both size and strength much quicker so I definitely advocate it.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives

Working out one bodypart per day/ per week is an inferior way to train.
Sure, you'll make progress off it, but that doesnt justify training this way if there is a way to train that will get you there faster.

I have made the most progress since I changed from this below

M- Chest
T - Legs
W - Back
T - Shoulders
F - Arms
S - Off
S - Off

To this

M - Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
T - Back/Legs/Biceps
W - Off
Th - Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
Fr - Back/Legs/Biceps
S - Off
S - Off


Training once per week, per part will come out to about 52 chest workouts per year, 52 shoulder, 52 leg days, etc, etc.. But twice per week and now you will have 104 chest workouts, 104 shoulders, 104 leg workouts, etc, etc And if recovery is brought up, I get 3 days off per week, so recovery is not an issue. So with this in mind, you can obviously see why once per week is far inferior to twice per week.

My 2 cents

Tommy isn't screwing with you guys either. I did pretty much the exact same switch and cannot believe the difference.