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Old 06-29-2007, 06:37 PM
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Okay over the past few months I have lost some weight and began cutting. Now I need to put on a little mass and really get bigger. I have been lifting heavier and eating more. My trainer recomended that I take a lean mass protein. I have been looking around and found BSN true mass and of course Nitrotech hardcore. I love syntha 6 made by BSN so I would figure true mass would be good as well but a few guys at the gym told me it screws up your stomach sometimes badly. I never really liked Muscletech but I do know that nitrotech has been around for a while and it got solid reviews. So as for putting on lean mass and size whats best to take? Open to other brands and suggestions also.\
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Start eating foods like steak, ground beef, chicken, fish, peanut butter, rice, oatmeal, fruit, beef jerky, eggs, etc..

If you want whey, try Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Protein. Another good protein to invest in would be miscellar casien. Take this before you go to bed. The casein will clot up in your stomach, and it will dissolve throughout the night, instead of in 90 minutes like whey.

Other supps you should invest in are BCAA's and a good multivitamin. I would also recommend creatine, but I dont think you are at that level of experience yet. You could also try glutamine because it quickens the recovery process, and is probably my favorite supplement.
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Old 06-29-2007, 07:08 PM
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Over the past 2 months I have been eating as much protein as possible. Lots of grilled chicken, steak, egg whites, rice etc. Also stopped eating white bread because it spikes your blood sugar and switched to wheat bread, tastes fine and I usually make a peanut butter sandwhich before the gym. Im not going to take creatine yet, right now im sticking with protein and simple supps. I am 15 and although I am very serious about my training I try my best to stay away from creatine and nitric oxide etc. About 3 years ago I began taking growth hormone because I was small for my age (not because I wanted muscles) My doctor tells me to stay away from anything hardcore because it could interfear with the medicine I am taking so I do. But after losing some weight and cutting I really need to put on some size so Im looking into nitrotech, I am also interested in a good multi-v like you recomended. any suggestions?
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Nitrix oxide supps are basically high amounts of arginine and caffeine...Creatine is not a hardcore supp, lol, despite what your doc says. Sometimes you need that spike in insulin, like in the morning and PWO. Dude, forget the nitrotech. There are much better proteins out there. If you really want to put on muscle mass, then you need to EAT! You said you were cutting before, while eating as much protein as you could, right? Well obviously you need to be eating more proteins, carbs, and fats.
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I am eating as much as possible. I like syntha 6 and would like to try True-mass with it. Looked into nitrotech and its very expensive and personally I just dont like muscletech. True-mass has a lot of stuff in it and I like the BSN brand. I think im going to get some later this week, do you think true-mass would be beneficial to me in putting on some lean mass/size?
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You are a newb. You dont really need any weight gainers. All you need to do is correct your diet. If you are losing weight, then you are NOT eating enough. Post up what you might eat in a day, and I can help you out a little more. Muscletech products are way too expensive. Like I said, your diet is the most important factor in putting on size, not supps.
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Eat more...get in at least 3000cals a day and 1-2grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. Reduce cardio and only do it 2-3x a week as well as only lift 3x a week. Eat well, rest well, lift well and you'll see gains my friend!
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When you're trying to put on mass, even if you eat a lean diet (ie chicken, beef, oatmeal, pasta etc...) you'll still gain some extra 'pudge' weight in areas such as stomach and other areas, correct?

I've been eating fairly well I think while lifting and have seen good gains, though also seen a bit of extra weight on my stomach and sides. Is this to be expected or is my diet not necessarily as good as it should be?

Here is a sample of what I generally eat in a day.

Breakfast
-2 bowls oatmeal
-toast with peanut butter

Midmorning
-protein shake

Lunch
-2 roast beef/ham sandwiches with raw vegetables

Afternoon
-post-workout shake

Mid-Afternoon
-spaghetti and meatsauce w/ salad

Dinner
-Steak or chicken
-Potatoes or pasta
-Broccoli/Asparagus/Green beans

Evening
-Grilled chicken and pasta with broccoli
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Your going to want to focus on changing those spaghetti and potatoes into complex carbs. Wheat bread, Sweet potatoes, brown rice etc. Simple carbs lead to your blood sugar levels raising which boost your insulin levels resulting in fat storage. : )
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You can still have pasta just make sure it's whole wheat pasta. I'll almost always have whole wheat pasta for my PWO meal. Potatoes aren't going to kill you if you're that worried about them get sweet potatoes. Don't forget just like everyone else is saying have a carb cut off time.
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When you're trying to put on mass, even if you eat a lean diet (ie chicken, beef, oatmeal, pasta etc...) you'll still gain some extra 'pudge' weight in areas such as stomach and other areas, correct?
No, not if you do it right.
It isnt easy, but is totally possible.

Just eat a very clean diet, but double up all the protein portions
(Example = eat 2 chicken breasts instead of one)

2 chicken breasts with side of brown rice and asparagus (eat like this every 2-3 hours)
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No, not if you do it right.
It isnt easy, but is totally possible.

Just eat a very clean diet, but double up all the protein portions
(Example = eat 2 chicken breasts instead of one)

2 chicken breasts with side of brown rice and asparagus (eat like this every 2-3 hours)
In about 4 more weeks I am gonna start adding an extra protein to my meals, small portions of course. I need to drop a little more around the belly and need to hit the cardio some more especially after vacation! I wanna put some lean mass on too! John recommended I do this.. have some small carbs lo in my 1st 4 meals and then none whatsoever after workout into the eve.

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Old 07-09-2007, 12:44 PM
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In about 4 more weeks I am gonna start adding an extra protein to my meals, small portions of course. I need to drop a little more around the belly and need to hit the cardio some more especially after vacation! I wanna put some lean mass on too! John recommended I do this.. have some small carbs lo in my 1st 4 meals and then none whatsoever after workout into the eve.

What do you think?
But what I listed is pretty much a clean bulk.
Are you trying to get big?
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But what I listed is pretty much a clean bulk.
Are you trying to get big?
I'd like to get a little bigger in certain areas, but nothing massive and I want to stay pretty lean, once I get there! I feel like my upper body could use a little more size, especially since I want to work on making my legs more cut and a bit bigger!!! I don't know when I look in the mirror I feel like I am losing some muscle and then when I look at some pictures I don't! Never happy, eh?

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why PM suggestions? Some people want to see the answers too ya know.

any excuse to get pm's..

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I dont think you need to clean bulk.
I think you need to eat right, sensible and make sure you are getting the proper amount of protein.

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John recommended I do this.. have some small carbs lo in my 1st 4 meals and then none whatsoever after workout into the eve. What do you think?
Well he is right about cutting the carbs off at a certain point, but you absolutely need carbs post workout!!!
After the post workout meal and into the night, no carbs.

I've had great success so far (dropped 22 lbs) and I cant narrow it down to one specific thing I did, more so it's a result of a series of changes.

[IN NO SPECIFIC ORDER]

1.) No eating carbs at night (meal timing)
2.) No eating junk or fast food (except for occasional cheat meal)
3.) Carb cycling (low, no carb and moderate carb days)
4.) More protein intake (to preserve muscle loss during the cut)
5.) Clean foods (chicken breasts, lean meats, sweet potato's, brown rice, etc)

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I appreciate the input Biggerguns! For the last few days I've been trying to keep a detailed log of what I've been eating as well as the amount of calories/fat/carbs/proteins etc., and I've discovered two things.

First, even though I thought I was, I don't think I'm getting enough protein. If I go by trying to get at least 1-1.5 grams per pound of body weight, I'm not very close, hitting around 120-130g when I weigh 150lbs.

Second, I'm eating these really carb heavy meals in the evening at like 9 or 10 p.m. and going to bed a couple of hours later, probably not the best idea.

I am definately going to need to try and get more protein and have decided that my 'later in the evening' snack should be something like a can of tuna rather than a bunch of pasta. I've also heard people say that munching on beef jerky is a good way to get some extra protein as well.

Please don't hesitate to give any other input that might be helpful!
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Yes, stop those carbs after 6 or so at night (unless you workout late)

A can or tuna, beef jerkey, cottage cheese...all are good (watch your sodium with the jerkey though)

* To get more protein, I find I have to supplement in a few whey protein shakes every day. Helps for my busy schedule too.
I take in about 50-100 grams of protein this way.
and I am getting between 250 and 350 grams total per day.

* Pasta isnt so good for weight loss unless it's whole wheat and even then you should limit it.
Exlude bread and milk for the time being too...a little bread is ok, but again, make sure it's whole wheat bread.

* And get better carbs
-Oatmeal (whole grain)
-Sweet potatos
-Brown rice (white rice is ok, but brown is better because of the whole grain)
-Black Beans
-Pinto Beans (Pork & Beans isnt too bad either)
-Whole wheat bread

* Eat lots of veggies (this is my hardest part)
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