Allow Gay Marriage?

[Merk0135]

Simple question: Do you believe gay people should be allowed to marry?

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

No

Hahaha and I have to add more to it than "just a simple question"

I believe gay couples should have the rights that married people have.
However, marriage is a sacred vow created by God, thus the words "HOLY MATRIMONY" and therefore I dont see how a vow taken before GOD that specifically applies only to man and a women, would be allowed to be done to a man and man or a woman and a woman.


Should they have rights as married couples (insurance, estate, etc), a BIG YES! Let them do what they need to do to have productive lifes such as you and I, we all deserve that... But if any of you seen that movie Chuck & Larry you would see how this is difficult to undertake as best friends will say they are gay just to get the health coverage that their buddies employer offers to spouses or "partner's"

[Merk0135]

Originally Posted by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives

No

Hahaha and I have to add more to it than "just a simple question"

I believe gay couples should have the rights that married people have.
However, marriage is a sacred vow created by God, thus the words "HOLY MATRIMONY" and therefore I dont see how a vow taken before GOD that specifically applies only to man and a women, would be allowed to be done to a man and man or a woman and a woman.


Should they have rights as married couples (insurance, estate, etc), a BIG YES! Let them do what they need to do to have productive lifes such as you and I, we all deserve that... But if any of you seen that movie Chuck & Larry you would see how this is difficult to undertake as best friends will say they are gay just to get the health coverage that their buddies employer offers to spouses or "partner's"

Marriage is no longer just a religous ceremony between a man and a women. People can get married by a judge or any other secular entity with those rights. This is a secular nation and to get married you don't have to include god or have it be a "holy Matrimony."

[Merk0135]

Originally Posted by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives

No

Hahaha and I have to add more to it than "just a simple question"

I believe gay couples should have the rights that married people have.
However, marriage is a sacred vow created by God, thus the words "HOLY MATRIMONY" and therefore I dont see how a vow taken before GOD that specifically applies only to man and a women, would be allowed to be done to a man and man or a woman and a woman.


Should they have rights as married couples (insurance, estate, etc), a BIG YES! Let them do what they need to do to have productive lifes such as you and I, we all deserve that... But if any of you seen that movie Chuck & Larry you would see how this is difficult to undertake as best friends will say they are gay just to get the health coverage that their buddies employer offers to spouses or "partner's"

Marriage is no longer just a religous ceremony between a man and a women. People can get married by a judge or any other secular entity with those rights. This is a secular nation and to get married you don't have to include god or have it be a "holy Matrimony."

[Merk0135]

oops, double post.

[mitchcumstein]

Absolutely not. Nor should they be allowed to have kids. Its been proven time and time again that the most well adjusted and well rounded kids come from families with a mother and a father.


If you wanna be gay, keep it to yourself and keep children out of it.

[wnxmaximus]

Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

Absolutely not. Nor should they be allowed to have kids. Its been proven time and time again that the most well adjusted and well rounded kids come from families with a mother and a father.


If you wanna be gay, keep it to yourself and keep children out of it.

I really don't mind if two people want to be gay. I don't think it is 'natural' in a instinctive kind of way. Nor do I think it is ok in a religious context. I do realize that not everyone adheres to the beliefs that I do, so that is in their court.

My biggest issue is the same one mitch has. I simply do not think that two men or two women can raise children as well as a traditional married couple could. I think that balance is very healthy and necessary in emotional and physical ways. Like mitch said, it isn't fair to put a child at risk for not developing properly simply because of your sexual preference.

[RyanLRams]

Originally Posted by wnxmaximus

My biggest issue is the same one mitch has. I simply do not think that two men or two women can raise children as well as a traditional married couple could. I think that balance is very healthy and necessary in emotional and physical ways. Like mitch said, it isn't fair to put a child at risk for not developing properly simply because of your sexual preference.

My parents divorced when I was 6 and my brother was 2. We both have turned out quite well. I own my own business and he is a satellite tech over in Africa. My dad is a P.O.S. He does not care about either my brother or me. I am fine with this and got over it a long time ago.

I think it is the people or person that raise the child that effects how they grow up. You are not going to "turn gay" because you were raised by a gay couple. A child of a gay couple may a tough time in school because of it, but what if your kid is obese? Or of another nationality or too tall or too short or whatever. Kids have abilities that most adults lack - adaptability and acceptance. Bigotry and racism are learned traits, not something you are born with.

To say that a straight couple can raise a child who is more well balanced and more emotionally healthy than a gay couple is pretty short sighted and ignorant. I'm not saying you are ignorant, just the reasoning.


This is 2008, not 1958. Gay marriage should be legal. To say that you shouldn't marry cause your gay and my religion forbids it is like saying your shouldn't be allowed to marry cause your black or too fat. It doesn't make sense

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by RyanLRams

To say that a straight couple can raise a child who is more well balanced and more emotionally healthy than a gay couple is pretty short sighted and ignorant. I'm not saying you are ignorant, just the reasoning.

Im so fvcking sick of you liberal pussies. Funny how people from broken/fvcked up homes always turn out liberal. Or maybe its because liberal parents create fvcked up homes. Hmmmm. Either way, its becuase theyre clueless when it comes to family values. Youre right, it is 2008, not 1958. Too bad because the world was a much better place back then when there was a such thing as morals and family values and respect for your parents/elders. But like everything else, you liberals have gone and fvcked that all up too.


Its not shortsighted or ignorant. Why the hell would you want to put a child through that? gay people are not accepted by society, never will be. Not as long as theres religion. So why subject an innocent child to the ridicule? We were built to have a mother and a father. Not 2 cock sucking faggots. If youre gay, dont bring innocent people into the equation, just kill yourself. You have a sickness thats incurable.



Ps. you obviously didnt "turn out quite well" with downright silly views like this.

[vassille]

Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

Im so fvcking sick of you liberal pussies. Funny how people from broken/fvcked up homes always turn out liberal. Its becuase theyre clueless when it comes to family values. Youre right, it is 2008, not 1958. Too bad because the world was a much better place back then when there was a such thing as morals and family values and respect for your parents/elders. But like everything else, you liberals have gone and fvcked that all up too.


Its not shortsighted or ignorant. Why the hell would you want to put a child through that? gay people are not accepted by society, never will be. Not as long as theres religion. So why subject an innocent child to the ridicule? We were built to have a mother and a father. Not 2 cock sucking faggots. If youre gay, dont bring innocent people into the equation, just kill yourself. You have a sickness thats incurable.



Ps. you obviously didnt "turn out quite well" with downright silly views like this.

Damn dude, take a chill pill ...lol
I think that family values have gone by the side though....I worry more about families braking up everyday than worry about guys and stuff. Ppl divorce over anything these days it's not like it used to be when you stuck it out for the long haul....

[mitchcumstein]

Sorry Vas, i get fired up when it comes to family values and the degredation of the family unit and liberals are pretty much 100% to blame. Theres too much permissiveness and laxity. People divorce too easy, gay rights, not being able to discipline your child for fear of the law, all the bull**** theyve changed in school from the star spangled banner to celebrating holidays, political correctness, etc, the list goes on and on and its all thanks to the liberal politics.

[vassille]

I hear you bro, I really don;t think that liberals in general are to blame more so than the entire potitical and social fvck up from lawers to legislators. Damn bro you can't even smack your kid around anymore cause they can put you in jail ....that;s messed up. How the heck r u supposed to discipline your kid when they know that it's nothing you can do to them.....

[mitchcumstein]

Are you kidding me? Liberals are the ones DIRECTLY responsible for this. This is exactly the kind of garbage they stand for. I just grabbed the first article i could find and its from canada but it doesnt matter, liberals are liberals anywhere you go.



Senators approve anti-spanking bill

Senators approve anti-spanking bill
Last Updated: Thursday, June 19, 2008 | 10:15 AM ET Comments574Recommend209CBC News
A proposed law that could see parents charged for spanking their children is heading to the House of Commons after clearing a major hurdle in the Senate.




'I received the occasional spanking as a child and didn't turn out to be an abusive monster. I sure made me listen when I was told to do something or not do something.'

--Mississauga Mom

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The bill, supported by the Liberal majority, quietly passed third reading in the Senate on Tuesday night despite Conservative objections to the legislation. The vote count was not recorded.

Bill S-209, which needs House approval to be made into law, proposes to eliminate Section 43 of Canada's Criminal Code, which allows parents, teachers and caregivers to use reasonable force to discipline a child and correct their behaviour.

Liberal Senator Céline Hervieux-Payette first introduced the bill in December 2004, shortly after the Supreme Court denied a challenge to Section 43 and upheld the right of adults to physically discipline children between the ages of two and 12.

Dion's support expected
Hervieux-Payette said she believes she will get the support of Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion in the House, although the ruling Conservatives have voiced concern over the bill. Hervieux-Payette said if the House does not pass her legislation, she will simply keep reintroducing it.

"It is to send a signal, so that people who use violence in a repeated way will no longer feel protected," she said, according to Canwest News Service. "It is not to arrest everyone who gives their child a tap on the arm."

The Senate mulled over the bill for more than three years, as the Canadian Bar Association and the Canadian Council of Criminal Defence Lawyers spoke out against it. In response to concerns, the bill was amended to allow parents and caregivers to use force in very specific situations — such as when a caregiver wants to immediately stop a child who is about to do something dangerous that could cause serious harm.

Routine discipline and using spanking as premeditated punishment wouldn't be allowed.

"No corporal punishment would be allowed, either by an educator, the mother, the father or someone acting for them," Hervieux-Payette said.

[vassille]

That's meesed up...although that is Canada....nevertheless is meesed up

[Joementum]

An "Anti-smacking" bill was passed here in NZ over a year ago.

It criminalises parents who discipline their children with a smack (something that I received a few of (deservedly) as a kid but surprisingly turned out non-violent & law abiding).

When control over how we bring up our children is taken away from us we are a foot closer to communism.

I'm also against gay marriage.

[Caferacer]

Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

Im so fvcking sick of you liberal pussies. Funny how people from broken/fvcked up homes always turn out liberal. Or maybe its because liberal parents create fvcked up homes. Hmmmm. Either way, its becuase theyre clueless when it comes to family values. Youre right, it is 2008, not 1958. Too bad because the world was a much better place back then when there was a such thing as morals and family values and respect for your parents/elders. But like everything else, you liberals have gone and fvcked that all up too.


Its not shortsighted or ignorant. Why the hell would you want to put a child through that? gay people are not accepted by society, never will be. Not as long as theres religion. So why subject an innocent child to the ridicule? We were built to have a mother and a father. Not 2 cock sucking faggots. If youre gay, dont bring innocent people into the equation, just kill yourself. You have a sickness thats incurable.



Ps. you obviously didnt "turn out quite well" with downright silly views like this.

Seriously. Neither will the black or jews.

Hold on, aren't viewpoints like that the reason that people aren't accepted? So you can just say 'it will never happen' so that you feel better about YOU not having to accept them?

*awaits being called a brainwashed liberal hippie college goer so that my opinion won't matter*

[NiteHawk]

Again, I will have to agree with Mitch on this subject. I wont post so harsh and use those words to explain my position but I will object to both gay marriage and gay couples adopting.

Morals and the family institution started dwindling once they took religion and God out of schools. This is fact.

I do not feel they should legally allow gay marriages. If two gay people want to live together in sin, that is thier right but we as a society, state, country, whatever should not have to accept it or consider it normal. It is not normal, nor will it ever be no matter how hard the gay society or liberals say it is. Marriage is a union between a man and a woman. It will never be anything different. Nor should insurance companies, etc have to be forced to accept it. Disease still runs rampant in the gay community, lets not forget that.

As for a gay couple adopting, I am totally against that as well. A child doesnt have a choice in choosing thier parents or thier adopting parents. A child should be raised in a home with a mother and a father, not 2 moms or 2 dads. The gay couple are selfish when thinking of adopting. They are only trying to shove or push thier "gay agenda" to show the world that they are loving people and can care for a child. They dont stop and think what a child growing up with gay parents has to face while they grow up. Children are cruel. They will get so much grief in school by peers about how they have 2 mommies or 2 daddies. That is a fact of life. They risk getting abused not only mentally but physically as well. Im not condoning either mental or physical abuse but it will happen, its just the way life is and as I said children can be cruel growing up.

Also being gay is a "LEARNED AND CHOSEN" behavior, you are NOT born that way. This is another lie the gay community wants you to believe that they are born that way, this isnt true. If you have a child being raised by gay parents, they will grow up thinking this is normal. The parents will have other gay friends over which will also influence the children. It will happen. Im not saying it will happen 100% of the time but it will the majority of the time.

As for broken homes, that is part of life too. My parents divorced when I was a kid and I turned ok ( I think) So not all broken homes are bad. A lot of good people can come out of them. But being a police officer, I also see a lot of troubled kids that come from broken homes. It goes both ways. The ideal world would be to have a family with a mother and father but that isnt always the case but it should be what we strive for, not gay marriage, single parenting, etc.

Thats all for now, I know its a long post but it needed to be said.

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by Caferacer

Seriously. Neither will the black or jews.

Hold on, aren't viewpoints like that the reason that people aren't accepted? So you can just say 'it will never happen' so that you feel better about YOU not having to accept them?

*awaits being called a brainwashed liberal hippie college goer so that my opinion won't matter*

Accepting a black person and accepting a gay isnt even comparable. Apples and oranges. One is just a person with a different skin color. The other is a sexual deviant that spreads disease.

[chubbmann]

Give the gays thier rights of civil union but Marriage should be saved for the church as it is a sacred vow between God and family. God was pretty clear on his stance with peter puffers and carpet munchers.

[7digits]

I like carpet munchers. lol (Just the hot one's though.)