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Obama "Plan" for economy
Obama wants to cut tax breaks for corporations as part of his spending plan to grow jobs. That makes no sense. Let’s put a big tax burdon on an already strained economy and send those corporations over seas along with their jobs. ???. How about this; lets give BIGGER tax incentives to corporations to bring jobs back by opening new plants or corporate offices. Lets get the Washington gorilla off this economy by making it more appealing for companies to set up shop here. Lets cut the pork in Washington so we can win this war on terror without haveing to kill this country with taxes. Obama’s plan may sound good to uneducated, er i mean Democrat, voters whom have not thought this through, but when they lose their job because of more “down sizing”, they can thank Mr. Obama.
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All the more reason to vote for Mccain.
And I'd rather have Obama in office the Hillary Clinton. The healthcare ideas she has are ludicrous. I really have no interest in losing 50% of my check to pay for lazy ass people to get healthcare. It's calle "Darwinism". If you not smart or strong enough to survive, then trim the fat people. I will probably get flayed for that comment, but I that is the way I feel. If you don't contribute to the economy, then your a detriment and I have no interest in helping those who won't help themselves. Not to be confused with those who CAN'T. If you are disable, I got no problem helping. Otherwise, migrate to Mexico.
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02-13-2008, 06:27 PM
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Politicians highly over estimate their ability to control the economy with economic policy. Most dont have any idea how the economy actually works but thats fine, it pretty much runs itself(in cycles) with a little help from the Federal reserve.
I laugh every time a politician talks about bringing manufacturing jobs back. My god, when are we gonna face reality. Its 2008 and were the most powerful country in the world. We ceased to be a manufacturing country about 20 years ago. Just let it freakin go already. The future is in technology and we need to focus on getting our kids smarter so we can be a world leader in the tech field. Factory jobs are for developing countries.
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Should HC or BO win - the next few years will be a horrible strain on the average Americans wallet.
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We do need some factories here, especially with rising gas prices. Sometimes it just makes more sense to keep factories here, so that we don't have to keep shipping stuff from overseas back here. I know some big corps. do this so they can avoid the exporting tarriff, but lets think about from the macro level.
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looks like i have to educate another mind numb liberal spewing democrat talking points (which are lies) [sigh] worst economy since 1930? LOL. here is some FACTS that will hopefully educate you but i doubt even with these FACTS you'll still believe bush's economy was the worst since the depression because that's what the democrats TELL you to think. that's what you are brainwashed to think and say. so im probably wasting my time but..... under Jimmy Carter (1977- 1981) the worst president in the modern era. not even counting his disasterous and embarrassing foreign policy lets start with unemployment rates 1977 - 7.1 1978 - 6.1 1979 - 6.8 1980 - 9.7 now lets look unemployment under bush (2001- 2007) 2001 - 4.7 2002 - 5.8 2003 - 6.0 2004 - 5.5 2005 - 5.1 2006 - 4.6 2007 - 4.9 (for 2008 it is currently 5.5 ) so tell me which numbers are better? that's what i thought. ok lets move on to inflation. 1977 - 6.50 1978 - 7.62 1979 - 11.22 1980 - 13.58 2001 - 2.83 2002 - 1.59 2003 - 2.27 2004 - 2.68 2005 - 3.39 2006 -3.24 2007 - 2.85 ok again, which numbers are (MUCH) better? yep that's right. bush's ok is that enough? or should i go on? want me to break out the numbers for the GDP? how about the stock market numbers? i dont think that is necessary but if it is let me know cause i can get them very easily. just be patient i dont come on here all that often. also, my salary is largely based on the economy and the stock market in general. lets just say i certainly am not starving. here is some more free facts for you. ireland's economy in the 90s was one of the worst in all of europe. a few years ago they cut their corporate tax rate to 12.5% guess what happened? major companies set up shop over there bringing tens of thousands of jobs and their economy is BOOMING. now dont you feel a whole lot smarter and more educated since i provided you with actual facts. not some democrat talking point lies? you dont have to thank me but you should.
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The unemployment numbers are great. I don't even know where they come from. Besides that, lets say it's not the the worst since the 1930's and I was exaggerating. The point of the matter is and the point I'm making is Bush is a horrible president and one look at the economy is proof of that. Or are you going to argue our economy is doing better since Bush has been in office? If so, you are the one that is brainwashed. You made the point in the post I responded to that trickle down economics works. Again, it's been proven to be disasterous by the how the economy is effected. I'm sure you can throw up all the stats in the world to show how trickle down economics is great, however, anyone who lives in the real world and actually sees how the economy is with trickle down knows it feeds the rich and burries the poor. It's a great concept on paper but in reality it is horrible.
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It really doesn't matter who wins this election because the more the government gets, the more it spends. The only difference is where the government gets more money. Democrats say they want to take it from wealthy people (some are saying $200,000 is wealthy) and large corporations. The Republicans want to get the money from a growing economy. More business, means more employees, means more tax dollars. The problem this country faces is the Congress spending millions of dollars for earmarks and worthless programs.
Let's get this straight, the Congress passes legislation/bugets and the President, which ever party may hold the office, signs or vetos what is presented. For years the Republicans had the majority in the Congress and little was done to help the average citizen. Now the Dem's have a slight majority and have accomplished nothing of importance. Yet they all have fat salaries, pensions, and healthcare. I don't see anyone in the Government having hours cut, salaries decreased, being offered "buy outs", being laid off, as millions of tax paying citizens are. I'd love to see Hillary, Obama, or McCain on that show "30 days". Wonder how they would look at life if they worked for minimum wage, or were a coal miner, or bound to a wheel chair. Time we citizens started choosing politicians that work for us and not themselves!  (rant over...)
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TRANSLATION: I really have no idea what i am talking about but i heard the democrats in congress tell me this is the worst economy since the 30s so I believed it and repeated it without doing any research on my own. I have been proven to look like a fool and i was owned by MF. 
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Mindfreak -
I think you forgot to list the unemployment rates during the last democractic presidency, particularly the second term...probably just an oversight. 1993 6.9 1994 6.1 1995 5.6 1996 5.4 1997 4.9 1998 4.5 1999 4.2 2000 4.0 Average 1993-2000 5.20% 2001-present 5.26% Very similar Same goes for inflation rate...the rates during the terms of Bush and Clinton are very similar. 93 2.96 94 2.61 95 2.81 96 2.93 97 2.34 98 1.55 99 2.19 00 3.38 01 2.83 02 1.59 03 2.27 04 2.68 05 3.39 06 3.24 07 2.85 08 4.08 - so far Inflation rate average from 2001-2008 2.87% Inflation rate average from 1993-2000 2.60% - very similar, but if we are keeping score, then I guess there is a winner...less is best in this case. I have little feeling for either candidate, but no one here is likely to be swayed either way by your disparaging comments about Obama and your careful selection of bits and pieces of the data to present here. A change is necessary, whether that will be McCain or Obama is yet to be determined.
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also, to all those who think bush's economy is so much worse than clintons take a look at those numbers. yes, clinton's are slightly better but they very similar arent they?
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