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[na_feu]

Anyone else read the national intelligence estimate that came out today? PDF file: http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20070717_release.pdf
Seems to confirm pretty much all that has been said in this thread in terms of the weight of the current situation. Heard two more disturbing stories today.

2 more disturbing stories today.

Dallas. Two muslim women arrested, explosives found in home. Were conducting surveillence of the airport.
Women arrested after police standoff | Dallas Morning News | News for Dallas, Texas | News: Local News

Read an interesting blog. I'll paste the important parts:

"Hugo Chavez's Venezuela is the main port of entry for terrorists bound for the USA. They don't even have to bring anything with them. Hugo will outfit them with the 100,000 AK-47's he purchased last year. C-4 not a problem. Detonators,comm gear,food and transport to Mexico with "border security men in each country being paid off or killed if they don't let them pass.

Reaching our border they are home free since we only prosecute our own border guards for doing their jobs. Chertoff said it right after the Amnesty Bill failed in the Senate. "Now I guess I'll have to enforce the law" That was a stunning remark but accurate. Neither he, nor the President, nor anyone else in the administration was enforcing border security which is why the bill failed in the Senate."


It is also why Bush should be impeached. Not for Iraq, but for knowingly allowing our southern border to be breached by HUNDREDS of thousands of illegals, some of whom are terrorists.
All of this has ceased to become hard to follow. It remains hard to fathom. The American population is being pushed into a shooting war RIGHT HERE on our soil with Islam and it's allies of convenience, Venezsuela, Cuba, El Salvadore all proxies of Vladimir Putin and what is soon to become the new improved Soviet Union.

They are simply waiting for us to cut and run from Iraq where they can train larger cadres and simultaneously make another attempt to destroy Israel. We will then have nuclear war. Try again."

full story on Muslims crossing southern border.
Power Line: Breaching America: Todd Bensman's findings

Am I becoming a right wing nutjob here lol? Links and paragraphs...oh boy.

[Chauncey11]

With the 600 Billion that we spend on Defense( or the 800 billion Prescription drug giveway) we should AT THE VERY LEAST be able to protect our own borders, scan all shipments coming into our ports and build the Freakin wall if you have too. This administration needs to stop talking out of both sides of there mouth with the "let's fight them there so we don;t fight them here" line of sh1t. The enemy is fully capable of doing both, espically when we are'nt even fighting them where they really are.
How come we won't tell Musharaff( who took over in a coup) that we are coming in and stomping out the Al-Qaeda cells that are rampant there.
We need to regroup and counter attack where the real threats are( Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia)

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by Chauncey11

With the 600 Billion that we spend on Defense( or the 800 billion Prescription drug giveway) we should AT THE VERY LEAST be able to protect our own borders, scan all shipments coming into our ports and build the Freakin wall if you have too. This administration needs to stop talking out of both sides of there mouth with the "let's fight them there so we don;t fight them here" line of sh1t. The enemy is fully capable of doing both, espically when we are'nt even fighting them where they really are.
How come we won't tell Musharaff( who took over in a coup) that we are coming in and stomping out the Al-Qaeda cells that are rampant there.
We need to regroup and counter attack where the real threats are( Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia)

i agree that this administration has failed MISERABLY when it comes to securing the borders. it is a totally joke that government isnt doing a dam thing about thousands of illegals streaming across the borders every day. how many of those are terrorists?

with that said let's not blame it all on "this administration". who on the democrat side wants to enforce the law or build a fence? off the top of my head i cant think of one single democrat who wants to secure the border. they all talk about amnesty, they wont use that word but that's what they are really saying. this is not just a problem of this administration. even if they wanted to do something (which they dont) the democrat congress and senate wont allow it. its both sides pandering to political correctness.

[Chauncey11]

Originally Posted by MindFreak

i agree that this administration has failed MISERABLY when it comes to securing the borders. it is a totally joke that government isnt doing a dam thing about thousands of illegals streaming across the borders every day. how many of those are terrorists?

with that said let's not blame it all on "this administration". who on the democrat side wants to enforce the law or build a fence? off the top of my head i cant think of one single democrat who wants to secure the border. they all talk about amnesty, they wont use that word but that's what they are really saying. this is not just a problem of this administration. even if they wanted to do something (which they dont) the democrat congress and senate wont allow it. its both sides pandering to political correctness.

Republicans had over 4 years of complete control of the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches and accomplished nothing to secure our country or make us safer. They instead spent the time with Corporate welfare and tax cuts for the wealthy. The Defecit has skyrocketed which in itself weakens this country. I used to feel that there was a role for Republicans to play in Politics.History has proven that this country does much better with one party in control of the Executive branch and one in control of the Legislative branch.
I more than anybody wish that Republicans would go back to there roots and engage in many of the areas that Republicans always had going for them: Lowering spending and less Government.
I also don't think it's the Republicans who are pandering to political correctness, I know I mentioned this before but Big Business is a huge part of this Immigration bill. It's quite funny now that Corporations see the writing on the wall and they now are donating immensly To Hillary Clinton.
Which goes to another point:
The people of this country will vote for whomever they feel will improve The US. Big Business, on the other hand will try to bribe whomever is in power at the time.(and if in doubt,give to the Republicans)

[na_feu]

Originally Posted by Chauncey11

Republicans had over 4 years of complete control of the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches and accomplished nothing to secure our country or make us safer. They instead spent the time with Corporate welfare and tax cuts for the wealthy. The Defecit has skyrocketed which in itself weakens this country. I used to feel that there was a role for Republicans to play in Politics.History has proven that this country does much better with one party in control of the Executive branch and one in control of the Legislative branch.
I more than anybody wish that Republicans would go back to there roots and engage in many of the areas that Republicans always had going for them: Lowering spending and less Government.
I also don't think it's the Republicans who are pandering to political correctness, I know I mentioned this before but Big Business is a huge part of this Immigration bill. It's quite funny now that Corporations see the writing on the wall and they now are donating immensly To Hillary Clinton.
Which goes to another point:
The people of this country will vote for whomever they feel will improve The US. Big Business, on the other hand will try to bribe whomever is in power at the time.(and if in doubt,give to the Republicans)

1. Awesome Economy
2. No attacks since 911
3. 200 Billion doller deficit, down from 400 billion in 2000. Tax money is pouring in since economy is strong.

[Chauncey11]

Originally Posted by na_feu

1. Awesome Economy
2. No attacks since 911
3. 200 Billion doller deficit, down from 400 billion in 2000. Tax money is pouring in since economy is strong.

What twisted world do we live in where A president is given A Surplus(Thank You President Clinton) and this current President adds more to the Deficit than all the other 41 Presdients combined and then appluade him for a 200 Billion Dollar defecit that does not include the 130 billion dollar SUPPLEMENTAL war Spending bill???
Basically, if you take away the Defecit and the worst Terrorist Attack in our history, it sounds alot like the past presidency, except ALL of us were doing better not just the top 1%

[na_feu]

Originally Posted by Chauncey11

What twisted world do we live in where A president is given A Surplus(Thank You President Clinton) and this current President adds more to the Deficit than all the other 41 Presdients combined and then appluade him for a 200 Billion Dollar defecit that does not include the 130 billion dollar SUPPLEMENTAL war Spending bill???
Basically, if you take away the Defecit and the worst Terrorist Attack in our history, it sounds alot like the past presidency, except ALL of us were doing better not just the top 1%

More Americans are affluent today than ever before. Unemployement is low, inflation low, and (as you may or may not have heard from your daily news), the Dow hit 14k yesterday. Another record. I believe the Dow was at 7k in 2000, ill have to look it up. Bottom line, tax cuts worked, economy is strong bull. All economists agree, you don't. I can't help that.

[Chauncey11]

Originally Posted by na_feu

More Americans are affluent today than ever before. Unemployement is low, inflation low, and (as you may or may not have heard from your daily news), the Dow hit 14k yesterday. Another record. I believe the Dow was at 7k in 2000, ill have to look it up. Bottom line, tax cuts worked, economy is strong bull. All economists agree, you don't. I can't help that.

1. More americans aren't affluent today. Poverty has risen for the first time in 40 years.
2. Yes, Unemployment is low(mostly because many americans are working 2 jobs)joking!
3.When Bush came into Office the DOW was @10,900. 25% gain in 6 1/2 years*yawn* I'm not impressed.
4. Inflation is not low. If it was low they would be lowering interest rates. CPI is high(and please spare me the Core inflation data argument) Talk to regular americans, our money does'nt buy what is used to.
That being said, the stock market is doing well, as long as Global markets are concerned, no help with the US and not to mention The USD being at an alltime low.
Record Trade defecits, ill say it again, this is getting to be a national security issue.

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by Chauncey11

1. More americans aren't affluent today. Poverty has risen for the first time in 40 years.
2. Yes, Unemployment is low(mostly because many americans are working 2 jobs)joking!
3.When Bush came into Office the DOW was @10,900. 25% gain in 6 1/2 years*yawn* I'm not impressed.
4. Inflation is not low. If it was low they would be lowering interest rates. CPI is high(and please spare me the Core inflation data argument) Talk to regular americans, our money does'nt buy what is used to.
That being said, the stock market is doing well, as long as Global markets are concerned, no help with the US and not to mention The USD being at an alltime low.
Record Trade defecits, ill say it again, this is getting to be a national security issue.

you're getting into my area here (financial). and although the biased media and the democrats will tell you otherwise. the economy is as strong today (and even stronger in some regards) then it was in the 90s. i think if a democrat was pulling the EXACT same numbers that bush is pulling now (with regard to the economy) you would be applauding. am i wrong?

getting back to the border issue. i completely agree the republicans had a chance to do something and didnt. that doesnt take away the fact that the democrat ALSO refuse to do anything. in fact they want to give amnesty to 12 million ILLEGIAL immigrants. BOTH parties are dead wrong on this issue. not just the republicans. that's all im saying

[Chauncey11]

Originally Posted by MindFreak

you're getting into my area here (financial). and although the biased media and the democrats will tell you otherwise. the economy is as strong today (and even stronger in some regards) then it was in the 90s. i think if a democrat was pulling the EXACT same numbers that bush is pulling now (with regard to the economy) you would be applauding. am i wrong?

getting back to the border issue. i completely agree the republicans had a chance to do something and didnt. that doesnt take away the fact that the democrat ALSO refuse to do anything. in fact they want to give amnesty to 12 million ILLEGIAL immigrants. BOTH parties are dead wrong on this issue. not just the republicans. that's all im saying

But Chancellor, Finances are my Specialty!(I apoligize for the Obscure Star Wars Reference) I am also in the Finance Industry.I'm sure we could spend hours debating Monetarism VS. Neo-Kenyesian economic theories.

We are living in the new Gilded Age. Wages of the top 1% have increased by over 18% meanwhile the bottom 99% have seen real wage increases of 3%.Over 50% of the increases are going to 1% of the population, And of that 50%, half is going to the top 1/10 of 1%.
No doubt from a broad perspective the economy looks good. The multinational corporations and Energy have the high gains. If you take a look at the biggest companies in the World, 3 of the top 5 are Oil companies. This is'nt good for America or Americans along with an incredibly weak USD.

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by Chauncey11

But Chancellor, Finances are my Specialty!(I apoligize for the Obscure Star Wars Reference) I am also in the Finance Industry.I'm sure we could spend hours debating Monetarism VS. Neo-Kenyesian economic theories.

We are living in the new Gilded Age. Wages of the top 1% have increased by over 18% meanwhile the bottom 99% have seen real wage increases of 3%.Over 50% of the increases are going to 1% of the population, And of that 50%, half is going to the top 1/10 of 1%.
No doubt from a broad perspective the economy looks good. The multinational corporations and Energy have the high gains. If you take a look at the biggest companies in the World, 3 of the top 5 are Oil companies. This is'nt good for America or Americans along with an incredibly weak USD.

i dont know the numbers off the top of my head and maybe tomorrow at work i'll look them up but i would like to see the break down of where the wage increases went to in the 90s. i suspect (but not sure) they are similar to what they are now. i do agree that the oil companies being the biggest companies is not good for america. anyway, this isnt a thread about the economy so i think we should get back on topic and not hijack na_feu's thread