reality in Iraq

[na_feu]

To counter a few of these conspiracy theories, how about the most credible source of all, a soldier stationed in Baquba right this second. Name is Michael Yon, soldier and photographer/journalist. As he travels Iraq with his platoon, he takes pictures and writes a journal of experiences. He has a website that publishes his photos and journals.

WARNING: some photos are pretty graphic. Some photos will choke you up. Others will anger you. Many will make you question certain elected officials, and certain members of our certainly questionable media.

website is
Michael Yon Online Magazine

thats michaelyon-online . com

[khrolix]

Even if the information is coming from a soldier, their credibility isnt really just guranteed; in many cases soldiers are told what to say and what not to. His site is probably being heavily peered over by the government. The only thing you can probably take as credibile are the pictures--they don't lie.

[musclesntx]

Originally Posted by khrolix

Even if the information is coming from a soldier, their credibility isnt really just guranteed; in many cases soldiers are told what to say and what not to. His site is probably being heavily peered over by the government. The only thing you can probably take as credibile are the pictures--they don't lie.

I spent a year in the suck, and I'll tell you this - unless you've been there, you have NO f*cking idea what is going on. Listening to the insanely biased left-wing media isn't even beginning to paint a picture.

I can assure you this kid isn't being "told what to say..." He just wouldn't say anything if he didn't get to say what he wanted.

[Jamiel]

Our generations Vietnam...proof that people do not learn from history.

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by Jamiel

Our generations Vietnam...proof that people do not learn from history.

you're right. this is vietnam all over again. the US winning a war militarily and a bunch of left wing whackos (including the media) doing all they can to assure their own country's defeat.

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by khrolix

Even if the information is coming from a soldier, their credibility isnt really just guranteed; in many cases soldiers are told what to say and what not to. His site is probably being heavily peered over by the government. The only thing you can probably take as credibile are the pictures--they don't lie.

nobody in the military is made to say anything. they arent allowed to talk negatively about their commander in chief, country, chain of command etc.. but they arent told what to say either. like boyd said, they wouldnt say anything

[Renegade68]

Originally Posted by MindFreak

nobody in the military is made to say anything. they arent allowed to talk negatively about their commander in chief, country, chain of command etc.. but they arent told what to say either. like boyd said, they wouldnt say anything

Bingo! We aren't handed scripts by Rush Limbaugh, contrary to what George Soros would have you believe. We can speak against the war, we can have opinions. We just have to stay within certain parameters of good order and discipline when doing so.

Most of the time, we keep quiet on things because of an old saying. If you don't have a solution/viable suggestion, don't ***** about the problem.

Or my all time favorite - shut up and color. LOL.

[ktinspired]

I feel that it sends the wrong message to the rest of the world, when our goverment appears divided.

I just heard of this guy yesturday on talk radio. Interesting.

HEY renegade...your avi....is that a tat you got? Its cool

[khrolix]

I did not mean that they are literally told what to say, I meant that they are told what they can say. If you look at old footage of Vietnam when the soldiers are being interviewed by the reporters, there were only some few questions they would answer thoroughly because their Lt. had already prepped them in what they CAN say. The concealment of information has been around in every war, you can't argue that.

P.S. a good book on the subject of war is Tim O'brien's The Things They Carried. A very good read, even if you hate reading

[Jamiel]

Originally Posted by MindFreak

you're right. this is vietnam all over again. the US winning a war militarily and a bunch of left wing whackos (including the media) doing all they can to assure their own country's defeat.

Wow, looks somebody skipped school to often. You call it a win...too bad 99% historians don't agree with you.

[Matt58]

I think militarily Vietnam was def won by the US. I'm going to take this from an old thread I made about how the US did not lost the Vietnam war(militarily).

....Myth: The United States lost the war in Vietnam.

The American military was not defeated in Vietnam. The American military did not lose a battle of any consequence. From a military standpoint, it was almost an unprecedented performance. (Westmoreland quoting Douglas Pike, a professor at the University of California, Berkley a renowned expert on the Vietnam War) [Westmoreland] This included Tet 68, which was a major military defeat for the VC and NVA.


THE UNITED STATES DID NOT LOSE THE WAR IN VIETNAM, THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE DID.

Facts about the end of the war:

The fall of Saigon happened 30 April 1975, two years AFTER the American military left Vietnam. The last American troops departed in their entirety 29 March 1973. How could we lose a war we had already stopped fighting? We fought to an agreed stalemate. The peace settlement was signed in Paris on 27 January 1973. It called for release of all U.S. prisoners, withdrawal of U.S. forces, limitation of both sides' forces inside South Vietnam and a commitment to peaceful reunification. [1996 Information Please Almanac]

The 140,000 evacuees in April 1975 during the fall of Saigon consisted almost entirely of civilians and Vietnamese military, NOT American military running for their lives. [1996 Information Please Almanac]

There were almost twice as many casualties in Southeast Asia (primarily Cambodia) the first two years after the fall of Saigon in 1975 then there were during the ten years the U.S. was involved in Vietnam. [1996 Information Please Almanac]

[na_feu]

Originally Posted by Jamiel

Wow, looks somebody skipped school to often. You call it a win...too bad 99% historians don't agree with you.

Don't historians analyze the past though...

And what public school did you fail out of?

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by Jamiel

Wow, looks somebody skipped school to often. You call it a win...too bad 99% historians don't agree with you.

american never lost one military battle in the Vietnam war. doesnt sound like a loss to me. the left wing whackos lost us the war politically and congress cut off funding forcing us to withdrawl. hmmm sounds very similar to what is happening today doesnt it?

[Matt58]

They also cut off our supplies being sent to the South and when they stopped that's when the North took control.