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Car "Bomb" Terror!
Ex-CIA Man Exposes Hysteria Of Car "Bomb" Terror
London car bombs would not have killed anyone, government using terrorist tactics by hyping fear to morph society Paul Joseph Watson Sunday, July 1, 2007 Countering the frothing rabid hysteria that is being whipped up by a fervent media in response to three failed car "bomb" attacks in the last few days in the UK, ex-CIA agent Larry Johnson joined Keith Olbermann to underscore the truth behind the madness - that the so-called bombs were primitive at best and would not have killed anybody. In the immediate aftermath of the discovery of a Mercedes parked outside a London night club containing up to 60 litres of petrol and a similar second vehicle, authorities claimed that the bombs would have caused "carnage" had they been detonated, killing hundreds of people. A burning Jeep that was driven into a terminal building at Glasgow Airport yesterday was also believed to contain petrol, but failed to explode beyond simply burning out the interior of the vehicle. The truth about the "deadly" car bombs that led to airports and other transit systems being closed across the country as well as the UK terror threat level being raised to critical is that they displayed an almost laughable level of proficiency and would not have killed anyone. "This is not one of the truck bombs or car bombs we see going off in Iraq - what's really striking about this today is that you had two non-bombs in London when we had at least five bombs in Baghdad in which U.S. soldiers were killed in one of those so I think it's just out of proportion - this was an incendiary, this was not a high explosive," said Johnson. Johnson said that had the gas been ignited properly, there would have been a loud boom that would have split the tank but that no projectiles would have even exited the vehicle. "If someone was within 20, 30 feet of it they would have ear damage but not much more," said Johnson. Johnson contrasted how the media glaze over deadly car bombings in Iraq which occur every day "And then you have a non-event in London and we're going to battle quarters and beginning to give the hairy eyeball to every Muslim." Olbermann called the terrorists, "the graduating Al-Qaeda bomb squad that need remedial work" while attacking the concept that we're fighting them in Iraq so as to not have to fight them over here." He also called out the so-called counter-terrorism experts who have hyped this non-event on television to enhance the profile of the counter-terror companies that they head up. As Johnson outlines, fewer than 50,000 people worldwide have died as a result of terror attacks since the 60's, and as we recently highlighted, accident causing deer, swimming pools and peanut allergies have all proven more deadly than international terrorism. The true extent of the damage that could have been caused by these recent attacks pales in comparison to the overblown exaggerated hype that the authorities have claimed and that the media has willingly parroted. Similar attacks were a staple of the 60's and 70's but the government and the media downplayed them because they were of minimal threat to anyone and to hype such non-events was handing a propaganda victory to the terrorists. Since the very definition of terrorism is to influence government policy not by the attack itself but by hyping fear of new attacks, the government of Gordon Brown is engaging in terrorism by strongly intimating that fresh attacks are inevitable. Brown came to power with an agenda to push through new anti-terror laws including wiretaps being admissible in court and extending the 28-day detention without charge law to 90 days. Though such proposals failed under Blair and Brown was expecting a fight to get them passed, expect them to breeze through Parliament with little opposition following the outright panic that has been generated as a result of recent events. Last edited by POWERJIM; 07-01-2007 at 06:10 AM. 
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07-01-2007, 10:52 AM
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Whether or not major damage would of been caused is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is that three attempts to destroy life were made over the last couple of days. Now sure the perpetrators this time were complete idiots, but next time we may not be so lucky. It's only going to be before time that a major terrorist attack on UK soil will occur, it's only because we happen to have one of the best counter terrorist intelligence units in the world that we have managed to get away with another 7/7 or even worse.
The balance of civil liberties and counter terrorism is a tough call, I'm someone that is passionate about my own civil liberties, I detest the idea of ID cards, and I am concerned over the obscene level of surveillance (CCTV) in this country. But the reality is that we live a climate where the terror is within our own society, people born in this country that have been indoctrinated by extreme influences within our muslim communities. The only way to stamp this out is to work more closely with muslim communities, and to offer rehabilitation for the 'islamists'.
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07-01-2007, 04:04 PM
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my girlfreind flys tuesday for a few days vacation with her auntie and sister. it worries me to think that something could happen. if the media/government is lieing about this then its disgusting.... it all boils down to money and greed!!
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07-02-2007, 12:04 AM
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10: For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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07-02-2007, 01:59 AM
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07-02-2007, 05:11 AM
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its harder to jusitfy an action (such as going to war) or implement a new tough law bill without creating enough hype and (key word) fear behind it in the lead up...
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07-02-2007, 07:40 AM
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07-02-2007, 07:47 AM
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Feds Gear Up For Summer Of All Fearmongering
Feds Gear Up For Summer Of All Fearmongering
"Spectacular" summer attacks expected as emergency alert drills invade TV, radio Paul Joseph Watson Monday, July 2, 2007 On the back of a hysterical response to attempted car bombings in the UK last week, a leaked secret U.S. law enforcement report warns of "spectacular" summer attacks while emergency alert drills spill over onto live TV and radio, as traveling Brits and Americans are served up the usual dose of fear at the height of the holiday season. Following the discovery of two car bombs in London that would have done little more than wreck a couple of Mercedes and a bizarre incident in which a Jeep was rammed into a Glasgow Airport terminal, the UK and U.S. governments have seized upon the non-events to feed the military-industrial complex beast with the terror and fear that its survival depends on. As ever, the media has dutifully amplified the propaganda, doing the terrorist's bidding by striking dread into the population and magnifying the severity of three dud attacks that failed to even kill the suicide bombers, never mind anyone else, and promising with an almost fevered glee that more horror is on the way. "A secret U.S. law enforcement report, prepared for the Department of Homeland Security, warns that al Qaeda is planning a terror "spectacular" this summer, according to a senior official with access to the document." "This is reminiscent of the warnings and intelligence we were getting in the summer of 2001," the official told ABCNews.com." And so this year's traveling circus of summer fearmongering sets off again, perfectly coordinated to terrorize the most amount of journey bound citizens with dark nightmares of their imminent fiery death save they prostrate themselves in obedience to the stifling security checks and flagrant abuse of any civil rights they imagined might remain as the martial law vice is tightened a little more. Meanwhile in Illinois, citizens panic after an emergency alert signal, issued to denote a federal emergency, cuts into live programming on television and radio. A drill for what is being planned, a mandate to grease the skids for the coming terror, or just an "accident" as officials claimed? If nothing else, a reminder that in times of a declared emergency, the feds can take over all forms of communication within an instant. Was this a preparation for the inevitable attacks that we are assured are coming over the next few months? A new wave of terror is apparently upon us we are told, all sparked by the actions of Al-Qaeda's kindergarten bomb squad, who couldn't even manage to use Google to find out that propane cylinders aren't going to produce anything other than a pretty fireball, and not an explosion, absent a decent oxidizer. But don't concern yourself with the details, just blindly trust the authorities when they tell you that Beavis and Butthead's Cherokee airport rage heralded the 7th seal of the apocalypse and ignore the fact that these retards couldn't even manage to kill themselves. The Register's Thomas Greene encapsulates it perfectly. "Police and securocrats know that there aren't enough real terrorists in the world, which is why they have to keep manufacturing them. This is because citizens tire of being watched by cameras, frisked and x-rayed, having their belongings searched, giving fingerprints to so-called friendly nations on entry, contemplating the myriad government databases where their details and activities are preserved, and wondering if some dour little bureaucrat is reading their email or listening to them on the phone." "This should have been dismissed for what it is: an event on the level of some teenagers getting a tremendously foolish notion, and being drunk enough for it to appeal to them. But we're hearing whispers of terrorism instead - much as we heard from the Americans when they foiled a "terrorist plot" to blow up fuel storage tanks at Kennedy International. It would have been devastating, prosecutors told us. Only that "plot" had the same hole in it: air makes a lousy oxidiser. If it had been carried out, it would certainly have made a bigger fireball than the one in London would have made. But that's about it." "So why is this such big news? Because clowns have got to be passed off as terrorists. Because a vast industry depends on terrorists, real and imagined, to justify its existence. We live now in the grip of the security-industrial complex, and that hungry beast demands to be fed. We feed it money hand over fist, and in return, it feeds us fear biscuits, which we are expected to accept with gratitude." The reverse lionization and exaltation of Beavis and Butthead's private jihad on behalf of Gordon Brown and the rabid British and American media will achieve the goal of what they all crave - more terrorists, more copycats - when in reality these morons should be laughed at, ignored and locked up. Terrorism only succeeds if the importance that is attached to it generates enough fear to fundamentally change open societies and strip them of the freedom that we are told the terrorists hate. The definition of terrorism is, "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons. By this very definition, the hysterical frothing reaction to last week's non-events again underscores the painful truth that the government are the terrorists.
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I dont know when, I don't know where, I dont know who by - but something awful is about to happen
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PJ,
i want to start off by saying what i am about to post is in no way intended to be derogatory toward you personally, this is not an attempt to flame you cause i disagree with you. I really feel sorry for you. honestly, i do. you think there is a conspiracy in everything. you think your government is just evil and underhanded. whether it be 7/7, 9/11 or any other terrorist attack (or attempted attack) you right away blame your own government. you dont believe that there is evil men out there who want to destroy the western world, who want to rule the world with their backward, barbaric (sp?) ideology. you feel your own government is the force of evil and is willing to kill thousands to advance their goals. i could sit here and debunk every point of that article you just posted if i wanted to. but im not going to. it wont do any good. forgive me if im wrong about this but it really seems from your posts that you have hatred for your government. its pretty sad man. like i said i feel sorry for you. i blame the terrorists. i hate the terrorists. i think my government does the best it can to prevent all the terrorists attacks it possibly can. i go to sleep at night with the confidence that we are right and those sub human, evil animals in the middle east are wrong. right always defeats wrong. and we will prevail.
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The UK is on course to become like what East Germany was. Labour has long had an influence over the press, and the surveillance in this country is becoming almost totalitarian, especially if the current government has their way with ID cards, the satellite system they want to put in our cars to track how far we travel and charge us accordingly, not to mention how they want to track how much waste we dispose of. That said, what annoys me about threads like these is what seems to be the typical government conspiracy line, with a failure to fully acknowledge the increasing threat from people within our own society. Just because the bombs may not have cost thousands of lives does that make it okay? Certainly not, next time we probably wont be so lucky.
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they hate you as much as you hate them. will we prevail? i doubt it... more of a stalemate. afghanistan has been in and out of Taliban control and provinces change hands weekly. Why doesnt the government stop Afghanistan's heroin farming, seeing it provides 80% of global supply and its increasing its shipments every week since the Taliban was removed from power. Yet onto the next country.... Iraq, the public are more focused on pulling out the troops after the UK and US getting a bloody nose without sorting much out there. Is Iraq in a better position now than it was 5 years ago? Where has this war on terror got us? People talk of Iran yet they havent got their ducks in a row else where. Israel vs Hezbollah is a cracking case, you can bomb a country back to the stone age and invade with as many tanks and troops as you like to rid a 'terrorist' faction, yet the situation hasn't changed.... still the same, further more it was Israel heading back for the border with its tail between its legs. There is no end to this 'war' IMO
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Website That Predicted London Bombs an Intelligence Agency Front
Website That Predicted London Bombs an Intelligence Agency Front
Fellow jihadist forums claim Al Hesbah infiltrated and controlled by ISI, CIA Paul Joseph Watson An Islamic website that carried a doomsday message that "London shall be bombed" before the discovery of two crude car bombs in London last week was notorious for having long been infiltrated and controlled by intelligence agencies and spooks who were trying to entrap suspected terrorists. Hours before London explosives technicians dismantled a large car bomb in the heart of the British capital's tourist-rich theater district, a message appeared on one of the most widely used jihadist Internet forums, saying: "Today I say: Rejoice, by Allah, London shall be bombed," reported CBS News on Friday. The website in question, Al Hesbah, has been attacked by other similar jihadist Internet forums for being a tool of intelligence agencies to monitor and entrap Islamic extremists. The Al-Tajdeed website launched a campaign in March of last year in an attempt to expose Al Hesbah for "serving Arab and Western intelligence agencies, as well as exposing the founders of the famous Al-Ansar website (haj), including the operator known as "Irhabi 007" and other members of the Global Islamic Media Front," according to a report by Gabriel Weimann, professor of communication at Haifa University, Israel. This was also reported by The Intelligence Summit, a non-profit group that monitors Islamic websites. According to the Jamestown Foundation , suspicions were cast that the Saudi ISI (which is wholly controlled by the CIA) had infiltrated Al-Hesbah and gleaned information leading to the rapid arrests of suspects linked to the attack on the Abqaiq oil facility in February 2006. The website was subsequently suspended after two of its foremost users, Muhammad al-Zuhayri and Muhammad Tamallat, were exposed as intelligence agents. It is by no means conclusive, but certainly interesting that a website charged with being a front for Western and Arab intelligence agencies was the venue for the proclamation that London would be bombed hours before the car bombs were actually discovered.
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