Car "Bomb" Terror!

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by MindFreak

ok let me rephrase what i said cause i do agree with you to a certain extent. we will prevail if we stop trying to fight a politically correct war. we will prevail if we stop worrying about what all the whacko, anti government, anti western world (like the UN, Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Rosie O'Donnel etc..) has to say. we will prevail if we fight the way we fought in WWII. we will prevail if do what needs to be done and not worry about what people who hate us anyway will think after. we (meaning the west like US and UK) can go in there and end this thing in months if we fought the way we should. if we fought like we were at war. let our brave soldiers do what they do best. let our technology do what it does best.

if we dont do that. if we continue to fight fair, if we continue to fight with both hand tied behind our backs, if we fight (dare i say it) like a liberal then yes, you're right. we will keep spinning our wheels and it will just be a stalemate. i guess it will take another 9/11 or worse for everyone to wake up. but then again probably not, it will be another government conspiracy right?

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I do believe in conspiricies (i.e. JFK cover up). Dont rule out what PJ says unless you are there. He speaks of HIS goverment, you can only speak for yours. Last I checked this happened in the UK right?? Yes, thats what I thought.

On topic of OUR gov't.....
Dont be so misguided, George Bush is a major evil piece of Sh!t and you are obviously brain washed into thinking he has done the right things and continues to do so.
I was for him myself, but that support was relinquished as soon as the lies were exposed.

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives

On topic of OUR gov't.....
Dont be so misguided, George Bush is a major evil piece of Sh!t and you are obviously brain washed into thinking he has done the right things and continues to do so.
I was for him myself, but that support was relinquished as soon as the lies were exposed.

actually you're wrong. while i dont believe Bush is a "major evil piece of sh!t" i also am not happy with him. i dont like how the war is being fought whether i agreed with going in or not. i dont like how he is caving to whacko left and letting them dictate how to fight a war. he should either fight the war the way it should be fought or we should get the hell out. i think it is time for bush to go. (does that sound brainwashed). my vote for the next president will go to whoever i feel will fight to win. although right now i dont see one.

just because someone has pro-government views doesnt mean they are brainwashed. (although that is what the far left wing, anti government forces want you to believe) i read and read alot. i pay attention and come to my own conclusions. i need to be convinced of something before believe it. those conspiracy theories dont make any sense. in fact they are torn to shreds easily. that is why i dont believe them. not because im brain washed.

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives

He speaks of HIS goverment, you can only speak for yours. Last I checked this happened in the UK right?? Yes, thats what I thought.
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i dont look at the war on terror like that. i look at the UK and the US as one entity when it comes to the war. if it happens in the UK it happens here and vice versa.

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by MindFreak

actually you're wrong. while i dont believe Bush is a "major evil piece of sh!t" i also am not happy with him. i dont like how the war is being fought whether i agreed with going in or not. i dont like how he is caving to whacko left and letting them dictate how to fight a war. he should either fight the war the way it should be fought or we should get the hell out. i think it is time for bush to go. (does that sound brainwashed). my vote for the next president will go to whoever i feel will fight to win. although right now i dont see one.

just because someone has pro-government views doesnt mean they are brainwashed. (although that is what the far left wing, anti government forces want you to believe) i read and read alot. i pay attention and come to my own conclusions. i need to be convinced of something before believe it. those conspiracy theories dont make any sense. in fact they are torn to shreds easily. that is why i dont believe them. not because im brain washed.

To be honest, the same logic applies here to both sides.
One cannot think there are "no" conspiracies happening withing our gov't.
But on the same token, one cannot think the gov't is completely against the people and everything to do with it is a conspiracy in itself.
Sure most can be torn to shreds, but then there are alot that are very credible (JFK)

So I agree with both sides to a degree and you are right, I cant judge you as that is the same as you judging PJ.....There are valid points raised by both parties.

But no matter what, I will always think Bush is an evil piece of sh!t

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives

To be honest, the same logic applies here to both sides.
One cannot think there are "no" conspiracies happening withing our gov't.
But on the same token, one cannot think the gov't is completely against the people and everything to do with it is a conspiracy in itself.
Sure most can be torn to shreds, but then there are alot that are very credible (JFK)

So I agree with both sides to a degree and you are right, I cant judge you as that is the same as you judging PJ.....There are valid points raised by both parties.

But no matter what, I will always think Bush is an evil piece of sh!t

i honestly dont know enough details about JFK to agree or disagree with you.

lol you opinion of bush is well noted

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by MindFreak

i dont look at the war on terror like that. i look at the UK and the US as one entity when it comes to the war. if it happens in the UK it happens here and vice versa.

Respectfully speaking:
The so called "war on terror" ended when our troops left Afganistan and headed to Iraq....

As for all the terrostic incidences happening over there now (car bombs, etc) well perhaps if we "got the hell out" then they'd stop trying to blow up our troops and such.

They should have taken the billions of billions of billions of dollars wasted in the war and spent it on defending the country on it's own ground, making us here safer on our own turf to prevent future 9/11's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives

They should have taken the billions of billions of billions of dollars wasted in the war and spent it on defending the country on it's own ground, making us here safer on our own turf to prevent future 9/11's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i cant disagree with that. should we have went into Iraq? looking back, probably not. but i feel now that we are there we cant just cut and run. i need to finish the job at any cost. that's my own opinion. but yes i wish we would spend more on homeland security, we can start by sealing the border.

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives

As for all the terrostic incidences happening over there now (car bombs, etc) well perhaps if we "got the hell out" then they'd stop trying to blow up our troops and such. !

do you really believe if we leave Iraq the terrorists will just leave us alone? no more suicide bombings in london? no more WTC bombings (1993)? no more 9/11's? i dont belive that at all. look at the many many attacks in the 90s. we werent in iraq then. and they still attacked. that's why i say we need to finish the job since we went in.

[POWERJIM]

Originally Posted by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives

To be honest, the same logic applies here to both sides.
One cannot think there are "no" conspiracies happening withing our gov't.
But on the same token, one cannot think the gov't is completely against the people and everything to do with it is a conspiracy in itself.
Sure most can be torn to shreds, but then there are alot that are very credible (JFK)

So I agree with both sides to a degree and you are right, I cant judge you as that is the same as you judging PJ.....There are valid points raised by both parties.

But no matter what, I will always think Bush is an evil piece of sh!t

No not everyone in Government is evil your right, plus just for the record people im far from being Left Wing and i hold little to no moral Values with Lefties, much like Bush is far from being Right Wing.

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by MindFreak

i cant disagree with that. should we have went into Iraq? looking back, probably not. but i feel now that we are there we cant just cut and run. i need to finish the job at any cost. that's my own opinion. but yes i wish we would spend more on homeland security, [b]
we can start by sealing the border
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Amen to that MindFreak!

I just dont see us getting out of there anytime soon and that sucks, especially for the troops and the family of the troops who are over there dying every day.

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by MindFreak

do you really believe if we leave Iraq the terrorists will just leave us alone? no more suicide bombings in london? no more WTC bombings (1993)? no more 9/11's? i dont belive that at all. look at the many many attacks in the 90s. we werent in iraq then. and they still attacked. that's why i say we need to finish the job since we went in.

But bro, the job will never be finished, EVER.
Do you think when and if Iraq is beaten down into complete submission that all the terrorsists in the world now will not see us as the prime target for their evil attacks and all will be well?

Hell no, there will be more 9/11's and nothing we do in Iraq will stop that one.

[MindFreak]

BGLD you have some valid points that i agree with. nice "debating" you (if you want to call it that lol). i'd love to stick around but the gym is calling me. later.

[na_feu]

[quote=BiggerGuns=LongerDrives;616724]Respectfully speaking:
The so called "war on terror" ended when our troops left Afganistan and headed to Iraq....

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So are we fighting terrorism or are we idly watching as it happens? OH! thats right, we're fighting it. And in Afghanistan too. Have you been listening to John Edwards? He's a girl you know...

[na_feu]

Originally Posted by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives

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As for all the terrostic incidences happening over there now (car bombs, etc) well perhaps if we "got the hell out" then they'd stop trying to blow up our troops and such.

They should have taken the billions of billions of billions of dollars wasted in the war and spent it on defending the country on it's own ground, making us here safer on our own turf to prevent future 9/11's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If we leave Iraq right now...

A. The terrorists have a new "bee-hive" from which to launch attacks, train, breed more...just overall great hangout. U.S. free Iraq to terrorists is like "Paradise Cove" to the cast of "Saved by the bell".
B. TRIVIA! Who is the long time adversary of Iraq that sits next door and drools over Iraq's oil?...HINT: they are poor, violent, developing nukes and their leader looks like a small monkey. And they are shi'ites while most of Iraw are the evil Sunni's who according to holy scripture ought to be crushed and decapitated. Ah yes! Thats Iran. And they would, if unofficially, take control of Iraq. And then allow Al Queda to crash. Sounds like a winning situation so far.
C. As long as we kill the bees in the bee hive, they have a smaller chance of multiplying and flying here. So fighting terrorism abroad is just as important, if not more important than fighting it at home. There are 900,000 Muslim extremists to every Timothy McVae.

[Taekwondo Guy]

Originally Posted by MindFreak

ok let me rephrase what i said cause i do agree with you to a certain extent. we will prevail if we stop trying to fight a politically correct war. we will prevail if we stop worrying about what all the whacko, anti government, anti western world (like the UN, Michael Moore, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Rosie O'Donnel etc..) has to say. we will prevail if we fight the way we fought in WWII. we will prevail if do what needs to be done and not worry about what people who hate us anyway will think after. we (meaning the west like US and UK) can go in there and end this thing in months if we fought the way we should. if we fought like we were at war. let our brave soldiers do what they do best. let our technology do what it does best.

if we dont do that. if we continue to fight fair, if we continue to fight with both hand tied behind our backs, if we fight (dare i say it) like a liberal then yes, you're right. we will keep spinning our wheels and it will just be a stalemate. i guess it will take another 9/11 or worse for everyone to wake up. but then again probably not, it will be another government conspiracy right?

the allies in WW2 tried to tactical bomb germany out of the war, after switching to carpet bombing (dresden) it had more of an impact

[narcsarge]

Originally Posted by Taekwondo Guy

the allies in WW2 tried to tactical bomb germany out of the war, after switching to carpet bombing (dresden) it had more of an impact

Here here! I think the problem a lot of people have in the U.S. is that they have forgotten what a military does.....

It makes things go BOOM! Although technology has improved our ability to pick out the things we want to go BOOM, we still make mistakes. Innocent people get killed and that is a part of war. The thing that really bites my a$$ is why in the hell doesn't anyone seem to care that these terrorists, in any country, kill innocent civillians all the time? Every day we here the news about some terrorist attack and the number of civillian casualities vs. strategic casualities (ie: the inteded target which may been civillians) is usually higher. Haven't the people in Irag and Afghanistan figured out that their own people are murdering the citizenry at a far higher rate then coallition forces. Just tell me, how many people died in Iraq and Afghanistan before troops arrived?