We invented god. Food for thought

[Theguns]

As busy as i can be at time i do a lot of serious thinking and i mean alot. Most of it deals with things we cant understand such as, universe end, god, aliens, love, human existence, evolution and all that good stuff.

I am a very outside-the-box thinker and i was wondering what your thoughts are on this subject.

1) We invented god, We did because there is no other possible explanation or are existence. There is zero proof god is real and it amazes me how widespread the idea of him can be. I find it interesting we have evidence of things happening way before Jesus Christ except there is no hard proof that says Jesus existed or was just a wacko. IM not saying he is im just saying he could be.

2.) When you are 5 you believe in santa.....such an impossible thing, at the same time you are told the story of god if you come from a religious family, you believe in both santa and god. Santa you find is false. (sorry if i spoiled it) But you remain faithful to god....If an 18 year old who has been around the world and has seen what is real and what is fake...with no idea of god, would he believe the story of all these miracles if not told them at a young age. Hitler recruited some of his SS by telling them his thoughts at a young age. Would you believe me if i told you i could fly Is it not strange that if i told people i was god i would be put in a white padded room, possibly by the same people who go to church every sunday.

3.) Is god not just as much a myth as the lockness monster?

4.) Do people worship god in love of him or in fear of the other place?

5.) this may be my favorite one to think about......The only explanation we have as to why we are here and how is god....If god made us who made god? So if you trace back where everything came form shouldn't there be a point where Nothing exists....Everything ever from earth to where ever it ends doesn't that all not exsist? If everything had to be made from something where did that something come from? It could not happen. How is possible that existence is real? The best way you can think of it.. If god just made us who just made god (Kind of like who delivers the mailman's mail if you catch my drift) And if we somehow don't exist.......then WTF?

6.) Is there not a scientific process behind our every thought? We may think we control when there something that makes our thoughts and gives them to us inside our head? Does it not amaze you that you can talk to yourself inside you head but cant really locate where those thoughts are coming from without science and learning where? Yet it still feels the thoughts are created in the head of your body?

7.) Perhaps are brains are just not scientifically able to comprehend the answers to the universe or to existence or to what ever you want to call it. Perhaps is it could be explained No one on earth would be able to understand it because the Human brain is not able to process that information....Or Maybe there if god is real there is reason why we cant figure this out



Okay by now you may think im crazy, maybe i am but think about be these things....doesn't it amaze you?

P.S. Has anyone thought about this crap or am i the only weird one here

P.S.S Im not some freak wacko alien hunter, government is after me kinda guys

One last thing....Perhaps the answers are known by a human or perhaps some other life form that keeps it a secret or we cannot communcate with it

Oh yeah......We invented the idea of time...idk maybe that intrests someone

[khrolix]

To most of those questions I already have my own answer but it would take me a long time to answer them so I'll answer: "Do people worship god in love of him or in fear of the other place?" The answer is, people will always need something to believe in, or some hope, in order to go on. If God, or the idea of God, did not exist, our morals would be nonexistent, our values different, an aloneness never ending, and some other stuff.
Ask yourself this, do you know anyone who is as scared of hell, as they are of being alone for the rest of their life, or something? No one believes in God out of pure fear of going to hell. People worship because of the possibility of God being real. As for atheists...not much to say.

[Rickster]

The answer is, people will always need something to believe in, or some hope, in order to go on.

+1 agree

[Will100]

i do not believe in god, have i ruled out the possibility that a god exists? no. that would be foolish, just like entirely devoting ones life to god seems, well weird and perhaps ill-advised TO ME. but again, i dont say theres 0 chance of a greater power

rather i choose to believe in humanity. i choose to believe that most of the time humans will choose the better, that we are capable of civility (although it seems unlikely at times).

[Traps]

I dont really have any comment about religon, however I will say something about your idea that time is something we made up.

I'm no physicist, but I'm sure someone who has studied physics can completely "debunk" that thought.

Time is a name we provided to a dimension. This dimension has measurable qualities to it.

[Mr-Larkin]

Answer 1, NO you are not crazy. lol

I have my own thought on this subject and many of the ones you mentioned, the one thing i always tell myself and others is that anything is possible.

Did we make god up? yes i think we did and i think that we did so to create a comfort zone in our lives.
the thought of going through all of this and having nothing at the end is just unimaginable so we all need a happy place to go to somewhere where we think that all this will continue.

We all know that the bible contradicts itself time and time again and we all know from technology that dinosaurs exists, (carbon dating, fossils, bal bla) yet the bible says that the world is only thousands of years old not millions?

I like to think of myself as a bit of a scientists and rely on facts rather than heresay, so i believe that dinosaurs exsisted, i also think that if you brought Jesus into this time he would just be another David Blaine.

I also study astrology as a hobby and so know that the universe is 16billion light years to what we think is the edge, we cant be sure of coarse because that only as far as our technology will let us see and when you sit there for days and days and days trying to work all this out, as did the thread starter and many of you at one point, you come to realise that surely there must be othere life out there, i mean 16 billion light years is a ****ing long way and i did try to work that out once this is what i came up with.

If our Galaxy the Milky Way is 100,000 light years from edge to edge was scaled down to 1 inch(light year = how far light can travel in one year going at a speed of 186,000 mile per second) and our nearest neighbouring galaxy is Andromeda which is 2.2million light years away (not that far really considering we are not even into the billions yet) then the distance between them both would be; MilkyWay=1inch distance to Andromeda 1 1/2 mile....

Think about that for a minute one and a half miles distance if you wanted to travel from one end of our galaxy to the other and could travel at the speed of light it would still take you 100,000 years to do it, so when you talking 16billion light years... are you going to tell me that we are it? the only life?

Something else to think about is this.

In approx 2020 scientists are going to build a new telescope to replace hubble so they can look at a planet they found in a solar system 2 light years away from us that could support life, if the findings come out that there is life out there, religion will die for ever, faith in god will die and people minds will be opened up to a new world of thinking, we only use 10%of our brains anyway so when the other 90% has been opened up maybe then we will have some idea to all of the wuestions we keep asking ourselfs all the time, talking of time, its one of the 14 dimensions.

[Lifter101]

I've heard people said God and religion was made up to control people. Control people's sex life and offerings and stuff like that. I have to say I agree to some degree. But I still believe in a higher being.

[Mr-Larkin]

The other strange thing that i have noticed is that people that belive in god or a higher power will never disbelieve, its almost like they refuse to stop believing, even if proof (and i have asked many people this question over the years) even if you could provide 150% that god never existed, people would still not stop believing, strange?
Are these people the weaker minded ones, the ones that get brain washed into following cults? or is it something else? could these people be the same people that made it up in the first place(thats IF it was made up) strange!!!

[NiteHawk]

I have strong faith in God. Let me say this. The main reason people dont believe in God is because of one word.....Accountability.

They dont want to have to answer to anyone about thier actions here on Earth but Im sorry, we all have to one day when we die.

The Bible says in Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.

Oh, and this old earth "theory" I can shoot holes in that when I have more time. You awoke one of my passions...Creation, the other Prophecy.

Trust me when I say this, the earth is only approximately 6,000 years old.

[NiteHawk]

Ok, here is some proof of a young earth. I hope this will help clear your minds of all the previous "false" teachings of evolution and millions of years old theories...


As Ive said before, the earth is approximately 6,000 years old. It was created in 6 literal 24 hour days. You get this figure by adding up the ages of man listed in the Bible and it comes to rougly 6,000 years old.

Here is evidence from Earth that its young:

1. The decay and reversal of the earth's magnetic fields.
2. The amount of salt and minerals in the oceans accumulation indicates only
a few thousand years.
3. The amount of Helium 4 in the atmosphere is not consistant with billions
of years.
4. The erosion rate of continents is such that they would erode to sea level
in less than 14,000,000 years.
5. Topsoil formation rates indicate only a few thousand years of formation.
6. The rock-encasing oil deposits could not withstand the pressure for more
than a few thousand years.
7. The size of the Mississippi River delta, divided by the rate of mud that is
being deposited, gives a young age.
8. The slow spinning of the earth limits its age to less than "billions of years"
called for in evolution.
9. A relatively small amount of sediment is now on the ocean floor, indicating
only a few thousand years of accumulation. And no, its not continental
drift. That is a myth.
10. The Sahara desert is expanding. If the earth was so old, all of Africa
would be a desert.
11. The oceans are getting saltier. If the earth was so old, they would be
much more salty than they are now.
12. Ice accumulation at the poles indicate less than 5000 years.


Evidence from Space:

1. The shrinking sun limits the earth-sun relationship to less than billions
of years. The sun is losing both mass and diameter. If it was so old, the
change in mass would upset the gravitational balance that keeps the
earth at the right distance for life to survive.
2. The 1/2 layer of cosmic dust on the moon. Be a lot more if it was so old.
3. The existence of short-period comets.
4. The wind-up of spiral galaxies.
5. Fossil meteorites are very rare in layers other than the top layers of the
earth. This shows that the layers were not exposed for millions of years.
6. The moon is receding a few inches each year. Billions of years ago, the
moon would of been so close, the tides would have eroded the continents.
7. The moon contains considerable quantities of U-26 and Th-230, both
short lived isotopes that would have been long gone if the moon were
billions of years old.
8. The existence of large quantities of space dust, which by the Poynting-
Robertson effect would have vacuumed out of the solar system in a few
thousand years.
9. At the rate many star clusters are expanding, they could not have been
traveling for billions of years.
10. Saturn's rings are still unstable.
11. Jupiter and Saturn are cooling off rapidly. They are losing heat twice
as fast as they get it from the sun.


Now, rougly 4400 years ago, the Great Noah Flood changed the landscape of the earth. This being proven by the current population of the earth, 6 billion. This could be easily done in 4000 years. If man were here as long as evolutionists say, the earth would be so crowded, you almost couldnt move.
The oldest living coral reef is less than 4200 years old.
The oldest living tree in the world is about 4300 years old.

Are you getting a pattern here? This shows of the great flood and that it occurred when I stated it did.

Last points to remember.....

The oldest known historical records are less than 6,000 years old.
Many ancient cultures have stories of an original creation and a worldwide flood. Nearly 300 flood legends are known.

[ktinspired]

I believe in God.

I'd like to address what mr larkin said about people who believe in God will not change that belief. Here's why.....those miracles that are recorded in the bible. Things like that didn't just happen back then...the are happening today. A person who believes in God has stronge proof...or evidence inside their sole, heart and spirit. The word faith mean believing in something you cannot see. God shows himself to those who do have faith. Who believe in his greatness.
Personally my faith and trust in God goes much deeper than this.....but I for one would rather go my entire life making choices as if there is a God...die, and find out there isn't.............than to live my life as if there isnt a God and die to find out there is!

[POWERJIM]

Originally Posted by NiteHawk

Ok, here is some proof of a young earth. I hope this will help clear your minds of all the previous "false" teachings of evolution and millions of years old theories...


As Ive said before, the earth is approximately 6,000 years old. It was created in 6 literal 24 hour days. You get this figure by adding up the ages of man listed in the Bible and it comes to rougly 6,000 years old.

Here is evidence from Earth that its young:

1. The decay and reversal of the earth's magnetic fields.
2. The amount of salt and minerals in the oceans accumulation indicates only
a few thousand years.
3. The amount of Helium 4 in the atmosphere is not consistant with billions
of years.
4. The erosion rate of continents is such that they would erode to sea level
in less than 14,000,000 years.
5. Topsoil formation rates indicate only a few thousand years of formation.
6. The rock-encasing oil deposits could not withstand the pressure for more
than a few thousand years.
7. The size of the Mississippi River delta, divided by the rate of mud that is
being deposited, gives a young age.
8. The slow spinning of the earth limits its age to less than "billions of years"
called for in evolution.
9. A relatively small amount of sediment is now on the ocean floor, indicating
only a few thousand years of accumulation. And no, its not continental
drift. That is a myth.
10. The Sahara desert is expanding. If the earth was so old, all of Africa
would be a desert.
11. The oceans are getting saltier. If the earth was so old, they would be
much more salty than they are now.
12. Ice accumulation at the poles indicate less than 5000 years.


Evidence from Space:

1. The shrinking sun limits the earth-sun relationship to less than billions
of years. The sun is losing both mass and diameter. If it was so old, the
change in mass would upset the gravitational balance that keeps the
earth at the right distance for life to survive.
2. The 1/2 layer of cosmic dust on the moon. Be a lot more if it was so old.
3. The existence of short-period comets.
4. The wind-up of spiral galaxies.
5. Fossil meteorites are very rare in layers other than the top layers of the
earth. This shows that the layers were not exposed for millions of years.
6. The moon is receding a few inches each year. Billions of years ago, the
moon would of been so close, the tides would have eroded the continents.
7. The moon contains considerable quantities of U-26 and Th-230, both
short lived isotopes that would have been long gone if the moon were
billions of years old.
8. The existence of large quantities of space dust, which by the Poynting-
Robertson effect would have vacuumed out of the solar system in a few
thousand years.
9. At the rate many star clusters are expanding, they could not have been
traveling for billions of years.
10. Saturn's rings are still unstable.
11. Jupiter and Saturn are cooling off rapidly. They are losing heat twice
as fast as they get it from the sun.


Now, rougly 4400 years ago, the Great Noah Flood changed the landscape of the earth. This being proven by the current population of the earth, 6 billion. This could be easily done in 4000 years. If man were here as long as evolutionists say, the earth would be so crowded, you almost couldnt move.
The oldest living coral reef is less than 4200 years old.
The oldest living tree in the world is about 4300 years old.

Are you getting a pattern here? This shows of the great flood and that it occurred when I stated it did.

Last points to remember.....

The oldest known historical records are less than 6,000 years old.
Many ancient cultures have stories of an original creation and a worldwide flood. Nearly 300 flood legends are known.

Amen bro.

[Andre]

As to what created God, I like to think God exists outside the boundaries of time itself. What I mean is, time is a dimension created by God that He is not bound by. Hence God always Was, Is and always will Be. A difficult idea to envision but this is the only way my mind can percieve it.

[POWERJIM]

Originally Posted by Andre

As to what created God, I like to think God exists outside the boundaries of time itself. What I mean is, time is a dimension created by God that He is not bound by. Hence God always Was, Is and always will Be. A difficult idea to envision but this is the only way my mind can percieve it.

You put that perfectly mate.

[Rickster]

this is why talking about religion should be avoided... someone always gets pissed lol.......

[ktinspired]

this isnt a religious coversation in my opinion.

a religious conversation would be about catholic, baptist, methodist, ect.
those are religions...

THis is a conversation of theology.....quite different......

[mitchcumstein]

This thread will go nowhere cause someone always throws up a post like Nites and tries to pass it off as Gospel. Theres not a shred of truth anywhere in that post and honestly, it just bored me. Probably a Cut an Paste from PatRobertson.com.


Yawn.