We invented god. Food for thought

[POWERJIM]

I could just go on forever about this but let me tell you all something about Satan and my mother , no i dont think my mother is satan i get along well with both my parents, anyway my mother used to be a Psychic Medium and had her own inner circle, she experienced a great deal of supernatural going ons obviously speaking to the "dead" or as we call them familar spirits, you name it she did it, after years of this she hit a wall and was getting nowhere with it, she was what they call very gifted in the spirit world and could do a manner of supernatural things however she was spiritually empty, she began seeking out God as it was always at the back of her mind, infact she always started her meetings with the Lords Prayer which is odd for a Witch to say the least , after years of seeking out for the truth and she got into many other religions she got Born again and became a Christian. Since she had this unholy relationship with the darkness shes very aware of Satan and his works, satan is very real i myself experience alot of aweful things and see a great deal of darkness, infact sometimes i will see something and both myself and my mother will look at eachother and understand what has happened, as im sat here i feel a great unrest around me as the truth is something satan dont want you to experience, just do the research people and really give God a chance to speak to you, ok now you think im nuts im done.

[smallfry]

well, i dont think your nuts at all.(power jim). I was'nt going to comment but...I really dont have anything to say, to sway somone this way or that. i do, however, think it's funny when poeple say, "the bible's not true". or, that there's no truth in post's like the one nitehawk made. My question to them is, have you ever read the bible? What proof do you that God is not real? Science today is pointing toward creationism..look into it. and I know thats a loaded statement becuz every point a believer makes a sceptic will make one him/her self. As they have there right. I believe in God because I have and do expierence God. I beleive in God because when i look at people, intelligent poeple, complex life forms, i cant help but wonder, there must have been an intelligent designer. I know what I beleive does'nt matter one way or the next, but is'nt that what this thread is about..opionion?

im computer illiteret, but this is a great debate on creation/evolution. go to youtube and type.. creation / evolution debate on Michael Coren show.

[NiteHawk]

PJ, you are right, God gave man free will. People can decide on what they believe or not believe.


But the Bible clearly speaks about those who dont believe...

1 Corinthians 2:14 - But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


I agree, this debate will probably go nowhere so Im not going to continue to hash my point. This has been debated exhaustively before.
Our job isnt to soften the heart and cause someone to believe, that is God's job. Our job is to simply present the truth and let the person decide for themselves. That is between them and God.

[POWERJIM]

Originally Posted by smallfry

well, i dont think your nuts at all.(power jim). I was'nt going to comment but...I really dont have anything to say, to sway somone this way or that. i do, however, think it's funny when poeple say, "the bible's not true". or, that there's no truth in post's like the one nitehawk made. My question to them is, have you ever read the bible? What proof do you that God is not real? Science today is pointing toward creationism..look into it. and I know thats a loaded statement becuz every point a believer makes a sceptic will make one him/her self. As they have there right. I believe in God because I have and do expierence God. I beleive in God because when i look at people, intelligent poeple, complex life forms, i cant help but wonder, there must have been an intelligent designer. I know what I beleive does'nt matter one way or the next, but is'nt that what this thread is about..opionion?

im computer illiteret, but this is a great debate on creation/evolution. go to youtube and type.. creation / evolution debate on Michael Coren show.

As long as ive given people the chance to get saved then that covers my ass , to let people know that Jesus died for their sins personally which is mind blowing to say the least, what makes me a real dirtbag of a sinner worthy of God sending his Son Jesus Christ to die on the cross for me? I guess one day i will find out but until that day im in total awe of my saviour.

[POWERJIM]

If you havent read the Bible have a read of Chapter 1 of the Book of Job, this book has got to be one of my favorites as i can relate to Jobs situation like all Mankind i guess.

Job, chapter 1

1: There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
2: And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
3: His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.
4: And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
5: And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
6: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7: And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8: And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9: Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10: Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11: But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
12: And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
13: And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:
14: And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:
15: And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
16: While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
17: While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
18: While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:
19: And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
20: Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
21: And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
22: In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.

[FoRuMbOaRdS360]

The nly reason i say that is because most of the people i have spoken to who have knocked on my door dont believe there is any other life and the fact that the dino's died 65 millions years ago rules that one out as well.

Thats fvcking retarded. I fully believe in God. I also believe in Dinosaurs and I HOPE there is other life out there. That would not shed a shred of difference on my faith with God.

I love how everyone trys bring forth evolutionsism and other non-religious but very scientific theories. BUT these theories have 0000000000000000% scientific proof in them. Ill get into that later.

I love talking about this stuff.

I believe in God 100%

I was taught to believe in God but thats not the reason I do. Most of my friends don't, and I decided for myself that God existed.

The first thing I say to everyone who disputes it is: how were we created then?

The obvious comeback to that is: who created God then?
I cannot answer that, but from there I can demolish every theory agasint God.

So we say evolution or the big bang... Well who created the matter for the big bang to occur? Matter cannot be created or destroyed so how did it get there? And for evolutionism, once again we can break it down into matter or say where did the initial species come from?

I hear all this blah blah about evolution and blah blah light years blah blah universes in this thread. Well first off bud where did those objects come from. THATS RIGHT, YOU HAVE NO FVCKING IDEA!!!
I guess you better try provide some scientific proof real quick for your scientific theory. OH WAIT... YOU CANT! I guess that means you need to shut up about the non-existence in God. lol
I have nothing agasint people who dont believe in God. As I said most of my friends dont. But when you say that there is no God and blah blah blah this and blah blah that. Then you just sound like a dumb@ss to me. Thats why I dont say there is a God and I can prove there is one because I cant. But I still choose to believe in him.

So everything people try prove or disprove God is at a dead standstill and we have to accept that. I dont think it will ever change so you have to believe what you believe in.

Reasons: I've had so many close calls in my life for it to be coincidence that I'm still alive by shure luck.

Also when I really need help, I mean really need help I always get it in some form unexpectidly. I believe that as God in helping me.

Like someone else said. Humans need somthing to believe in or there would be no source of morals/improvement or even existence

PS: As to who the "you" im talking about in my post, its directed towards people who go around telling people that there is no God so stop believing in him.

/rant done lol

[Lifter101]

Originally Posted by FoRuMbOaRdS360

Thats fvcking retarded. I fully believe in God. I also believe in Dinosaurs and I HOPE there is other life out there. That would not shed a shred of difference on my faith with God.

I love how everyone trys bring forth evolutionsism and other non-religious but very scientific theories. BUT these theories have 0000000000000000% scientific proof in them. Ill get into that later.

I love talking about this stuff.

I believe in God 100%

I was taught to believe in God but thats not the reason I do. Most of my friends don't, and I decided for myself that God existed.

The first thing I say to everyone who disputes it is: how were we created then?

The obvious comeback to that is: who created God then?
I cannot answer that, but from there I can demolish every theory agasint God.

So we say evolution or the big bang... Well who created the matter for the big bang to occur? Matter cannot be created or destroyed so how did it get there? And for evolutionism, once again we can break it down into matter or say where did the initial species come from?

I hear all this blah blah about evolution and blah blah light years blah blah universes in this thread. Well first off bud where did those objects come from. THATS RIGHT, YOU HAVE NO FVCKING IDEA!!!
I guess you better try provide some scientific proof real quick for your scientific theory. OH WAIT... YOU CANT! I guess that means you need to shut up about the non-existence in God. lol
I have nothing agasint people who dont believe in God. As I said most of my friends dont. But when you say that there is no God and blah blah blah this and blah blah that. Then you just sound like a dumb@ss to me. Thats why I dont say there is a God and I can prove there is one because I cant. But I still choose to believe in him.

So everything people try prove or disprove God is at a dead standstill and we have to accept that. I dont think it will ever change so you have to believe what you believe in.

Reasons: I've had so many close calls in my life for it to be coincidence that I'm still alive by shure luck.

Also when I really need help, I mean really need help I always get it in some form unexpectidly. I believe that as God in helping me.

Like someone else said. Humans need somthing to believe in or there would be no source of morals/improvement or even existence

PS: As to who the "you" im talking about in my post, its directed towards people who go around telling people that there is no God so stop believing in him.

/rant done lol

The number of non-believers changed their minds and become believers: 0
lol

[FoRuMbOaRdS360]

The number of non-believers changed their minds and become believers: 0
lol

Whys that matter AT ALL? It doesnt.

[Lifter101]

Originally Posted by FoRuMbOaRdS360

Whys that matter AT ALL? It doesnt.

Then what was the point of the post?

[FoRuMbOaRdS360]

Originally Posted by Lifter101

Then what was the point of the post?

Im pretty sure this is talking about your belief as to God. As the original poster stated this is how he thinks when he thinks deeply and wanted to hear how others do... So I told him what I think about God. Simple really

[ktinspired]

Originally Posted by POWERJIM

As long as ive given people the chance to get saved then that covers my ass , to let people know that Jesus died for their sins personally which is mind blowing to say the least, what makes me a real dirtbag of a sinner worthy of God sending his Son Jesus Christ to die on the cross for me? I guess one day i will find out but until that day im in total awe of my saviour.

I wanna give you rep..and a hug!

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by Lifter101

The number of non-believers changed their minds and become believers: 0
lol

Time he wasted typing that long post: Priceless


Hahahahaha.

[Mr-Larkin]

sigh.......
I cant help but think, what would happen to the world if it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that God never existed.

Speaking scientificly, (because i base my theory on that and not something i cannot see no'r hear,) no-one can argue anything regarding this subject, regardless of if you have been touched by god or not and i know what you are all thinking, sitting there, ready to come back with an argument.

Lets all for one minute take time out and think about something else, take god, religion out of the equation, yeah?

Think about this;
Do you really understand everything that happens in the world? to yourself personally or to the man standing next to you? do you know why you are luckier than someone who is not? or why someone who smokes and drinks lives longer than someone who does not?

Do you kow how the universe was created? or whats at the other end of space? the answer truthfully is no!, you do not know, no-one does, all we are doing is guessing based on the information we have at the time.

It is a fact, FACT!! that we only use 10% of our brains scientific studies lead us to believe that telekinesis and telepathy are things man will be able to do in the future when we learn to open our minds, evolutions also suggests that we will gain an extra digit.

You cannot possibally argue an argument about, say, the big bang because it could have happened Billions or thousands of years ago, either way its when man either, did not exists, or did not know what to eat first, dirt or poo..

Now bring Religion and god into the subject;
For starters dont think i am trying to destroy what you believe in because i'm not, i dont care what you believe in to be honest. The point i am trying to make is that hopefully we can all think outside the box just for a couple of minutes.

All you who believe in god and have faith in god/higher being are being missled by your own minds, why? because what do you have faith in? you have no proof, no evidence, not only that you dont understand it because we have not evolved enough to understand it... yeah i can say that space is this and time travel is that and black holes, bla bla bla, but i am only repeating what someone else has said in a newspaper or on TV, just like you.

I have been to a spiritulist and i saw things that i cannot even begin to comprehend, because i dont understand it, neither do you, you cant possibly it is impossible.

Tell me what space is made out of? tell me what the temp of the inside of the sun is? tell me where god is? you cant, no-one can.

Please do me one favour if nothing else (this is for believers) dont go around telling everyone that you are spreading the truth when you dont know what the truth is and just have faith in the fact that one day we will have an answer, or maybe we wont.

[ktinspired]

Believers have more of a foundation of proof that the non believer....just look around..there's more proof than God exists than not.

"Spreading the truth".....I know it is the truth.....once I took a step of faith and chose to believe..the truth...GOD revealed himself to me, in many many ways...........this is how I KNOW it to be the TRUTH!

[POWERJIM]

Originally Posted by ktinspired

Believers have more of a foundation of proof that the non believer....just look around..there's more proof than God exists than not.

"Spreading the truth".....I know it is the truth.....once I took a step of faith and chose to believe..the truth...GOD revealed himself to me, in many many ways...........this is how I KNOW it to be the TRUTH!

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by ktinspired