We invented god. Food for thought

[Mr-Larkin]

Originally Posted by schmichael

your arguement doesn't make sense. if you choose to reject Him then you are responsible for that decision.

how does prior Gods knowledge of your choice influence the choice you make?

I dont make sense??????
It does not influence me at all, but whats the point if someone already knows the answer, i believe these questions were asked in the film The Matrix, yes?

why do you believe in evolution? it can't be because of any observed evidence. have you ever witnessed life spontaneously arising from inorganic materials? have you ever witnessed an ape evolve into a human?

you might say that evolution has been witnessed in the form of natural selection (darwins finches etc) but i would argue that the changes are in the wrong direction. to go from (relatively) simple life to human requires a huge increase in info and evolution doesn't provide a mechanism to acheive that increase. natural selection can only select (ironically?) from the existing info it can't create new info.

Why do you believe in god, you didn't observe that?


As to the original question of this thread... yes, i do believe that man made god up to fill a gap in thier lives, whether you do it today or 2000 years ago.

[schmichael]

Originally Posted by Mr-Larkin

I dont make sense??????
It does not influence me at all, but whats the point if someone already knows the answer, i believe these questions were asked in the film The Matrix, yes?

the point is that you are responsible for your choices. therefore you have to suffer the consequences.

and no, these questions weren't answered in The Matrix.

Originally Posted by Mr-Larkin

Why do you believe in god, you didn't observe that?

i didn't but many others observed Jesus on this earth 2,000 years ago and the miracles He performed. the only conclusion possible is that He is God. no one else can raise themself from the dead.

Originally Posted by Mr-Larkin

As to the original question of this thread... yes, i do believe that man made god up to fill a gap in thier lives, whether you do it today or 2000 years ago.

why would we create God? to make ourselves feel guilty? i don't think so.

think about it, if you're right and evolution/survival of the fittest is where we came from then those of us hamstrung by a moral code would be wiped out by those who weren't concerned with right and wrong.

i'll leave you with this quote by c s lewis to ponder.

Originally Posted by C. S Lewis

If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents—the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if their thoughts—i.e. of materialism and astronomy—are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milkjug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.

[ShortBucRising]

I want all of you to read this CAREFULLY. It is not to prove or disprove but to give everyone a new insight on everything. If you have not heard of it, it's called "Plato's Allegory Of The Cave."

Allegory of the Cave

[schmichael]

okay i read it.

can i ask why you posted it?

[Lifter101]

Originally Posted by schmichael

okay i read it.

can i ask why you posted it?

after reading all your posts, now i believe in god.
But seriously, why can't we believe in evolution and god at the same time? WHy can't it be god that created the first "accident" and followed with a chain effect of evolution? Maybe he breathed onto Earth or this galaxy, and the tornado of life begins.

[Mr-Larkin]

Originally Posted by schmichael

the point is that you are responsible for your choices. therefore you have to suffer the consequences.

and no, these questions weren't answered in The Matrix.

Neo(matrix reloaded, i think.) "How can i make a choice if you already know the choice i am going to make?"

i didn't but many others observed Jesus on this earth 2,000 years ago and the miracles He performed. the only conclusion possible is that He is God. no one else can raise themself from the dead.

So because other observed it you believe it?? do you believe in the loch ness monster, giant octopus, the abominal snowman, big foot.....?

why would we create God? to make ourselves feel guilty? i don't think so.

Not to make ourselves feel guilty but to fill a hole, you cant explain were we come from no more than i can, but you would rather believe god created you, then thinking it could of all happened by chance.

i'll leave you with this quote by c s lewis to ponder.

That means nothing to me. at the end of the day, it could have been an accident, you dont know, no-one does; and thats all i am trying to get throught to people.
It does not matter where you come from or what you believe, its common sense to every sane person that you should be saying, "I dont know" because you dont and thats to everyone out there.

It doesn't matter how many quotes you give me from the bible, or how many quotes you give me from professional bodies, there are no facts, there is no proof and they know just as much as we do, nothing.

Stop beleiving you have the right answer, there is only one right answer, "I DONT KNOW"

[Mr-Larkin]

Originally Posted by Lifter101

after reading all your posts, now i believe in god.
But seriously, why can't we believe in evolution and god at the same time? WHy can't it be god that created the first "accident" and followed with a chain effect of evolution? Maybe he breathed onto Earth or this galaxy, and the tornado of life begins.

You can beleive what ever you want to believe, for all you know you could be right.

[ShortBucRising]

Originally Posted by schmichael

okay i read it.

can i ask why you posted it?

Everyone is doing all of this arguing and there is one thing that we can all agree on. Nobody is going to change anyone's mind. Nobody is going to convert anyone and all this allegory is supposed to say if we all looked at each others point of view without the hostility we would have more insight into why others think a certain way. I understand why some people on here feel threatened by each other's words. It's a touchy topic, even going back to the original question. I used to believe in the bible VERY literally. As I grew I my ideas changed and I became a more philosophical person, but that does not mean my beliefe is any more deterred. It just helped me to understand people's numerous beliefs more. That's what this allegory is for.

[ShortBucRising]

Originally Posted by Mr-Larkin

You can beleive what ever you want to believe, for all you know you could be right.

That's what I mean!!!!!!!!!! Any of this can be right! For all we know the bible can be exact or evolution can be exact, but we must stick to what we believe. If we changed so easily, then could we easily call it a belief????

[Mr-Larkin]

Originally Posted by ShortBucRising

That's what I mean!!!!!!!!!! Any of this can be right! For all we know the bible can be exact or evolution can be exact, but we must stick to what we believe. If we changed so easily, then could we easily call it a belief????

Finally someone who thinks like me!!

[Mr-Larkin]

I would like to ask one question though?
Does the bible say that god created life on earth? just earth?
I'm not too familiar with everything in the bible.

[ShortBucRising]

Originally Posted by Mr-Larkin

I would like to ask one question though?
Does the bible say that god created life on earth? just earth?
I'm not too familiar with everything in the bible.

It says God created both. I wanted to ask something too, b/c with all these posts I get a little mixed up. do you believe in god at all (not neccassarily Christian, but any higher power) or are you atheist? Doesn't really matter, just trying to see where you are coming from.

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

I believe in God AND I believe in evolution.

I just dont believe in MACRO evolution.

Everything evolves and adapts to it's given enviornment, we know this.
I just dont believe we evolved from monkeys and science has yet to prove this (i.e. The missing link).

So yes, Christians can believe in evolution, just not the bullsh!t evolution or so called "Darwinism" that evolutionists cling to like a babies little blanket.

[Lifter101]

Originally Posted by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives

I believe in God AND I believe in evolution.

I just dont believe in MACRO evolution.

Everything evolves and adapts to it's given enviornment, we know this.
I just dont believe we evolved from monkeys and science has yet to prove this (i.e. The missing link).

So yes, Christians can believe in evolution, just not the bullsh!t evolution or so called "Darwinism" that evolutionists cling to like a babies little blanket.

We don't evolve from monkey. Monkey and human evolved from something, the missing link and what not. Just curious, I think human n monkey are very similar physically, why don't u believe that we could have evolved from the same thing? And I think Darwinism makes a lot of sense. The strongest will survive. I just hope it also applies to stupid people.. haha.. there are certain types of people i'd like to see extinct..

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by Lifter101

We don't evolve from monkey. Monkey and human evolved from something, the missing link and what not. Just curious, I think human n monkey are very similar physically, why don't u believe that we could have evolved from the same thing? And I think Darwinism makes a lot of sense. The strongest will survive. I just hope it also applies to stupid people.. haha.. there are certain types of people i'd like to see extinct..

Same thing bro, either way, it's only a theory and HAS YET TO BE PROVEN.

Scientists believe monkeys and humans shared a common ancestor that existed 5 to 8 million years ago. And that Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors.

But like I said, science has yet to prove this so called THEORY.
AS the common acenstor they speak of has yet to be found and thats why it's known as The Missing Link.

Theories are not always as they seem.

EXAMPLE: We have theorized that reptiles are the direct decendants of the Dinosaurs, but only recently we have begun to learn that birds are more closely related to the Dinosaurs than anything else.



Evolution is the description of a process that governs the development of life on Earth. Like other scientific theories, including Copernican theory, atomic theory, and the germ theory of disease, evolution deals only with objects, events, and processes in the material world....

[mitchcumstein]

Haha, i just noticed this but this thread has the "thumbs down" sign.


That means its poopy.

[Rambozo]

I dont believe in god or evolution. I've read "The Origin of the Species" and his book that came out after it called "The Decent of Man". Darwinism is a racist ideology. He thought that white men were the most evolved and the blacks the least evolved. Its funny how the "evolutionists" deny this part of evolution!!!