911 WTC Conspiracy?

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by Traps

Why would bin laden change his mind? Thats pretty obvious. It would further his own cause!! An opportunist.

how about he didnt want to take credit at first cause he didnt think we would react with so much force. once we did he figured he might as well admit it.

Originally Posted by Traps

Why did Dick Chaney take complete and total control of Norad that day... BEFORE THE ATTACKS? This has never happened in its history. Why were there "EXERCISES" being performed that day for "hypothetical" terror attacks from hijacked airliners into the WTC?!?!?!

none of that is true. Chaney did not take control of Norad. he was no where near the norad control center. the exercises being performed where not hypothetical terror attacks into the WTC. they were doing routine training like they do every other day. i saw all these videos and others already. at first i was like you and was like "wtf? this could really be true". but i know better than to believe everything i see or read. the more i researched it the more i realized what bvllsh!t it is. you keep telling me to watch all the videos (i have). now go and watch what i said to watch. or read what i said to read. and there is so much more SCIENTFIC evidence of why these theories are ridiculous

[Traps]

Like I said in the start of the thread. I'm not one to go jumping on conspiracy theories. I will check out your links, because I want to believe the conspiracy is not true. But so far, I'm thinking this might be difficult.

Please provide as much "debunking" material as you can.

[MindFreak]

and by the way.the same guy who produced this video also produced a similar one about the london bombings. in it he said that blair and gov officials carried out the london bombings because he was sure to lose the general election because of the iraq war and the bombings would bascially scare people into voting for him.
the problem is blair won the election in may of 2005. the bombing were in July.

(i think it was the same guy. if not i stand corrected. but even so it just shows that anyone with video making software and a great imagination can produce stuff like this and put in half truths, lies and outright fantasies

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by Traps

Please provide as much "debunking" material as you can.

The Truth About 9/11 Conspiracy Theories


Debunking The 9/11 Myths - Mar. 2005 Cover Story - Popular Mechanics

MP Michael Meacher's crackpot conspiracy theories

that's just a few. read them all. if still not convinced i'll give ya more. or hell just do the search i said. there are hundreds. alot of them from very credible sources.

also rent "Inside 9/11" it is 4 hours long but really good. it goes into the whole history of al queda.

im not trying to disrespect you in my posts. just trying to get you to least read the other side. i think when an open minded person who hasnt already made up their mind does they will come to the same conclusion as most americans. 9/11 was not an american gov conspiracy

[Traps]

Originally Posted by MindFreak

but even so it just shows that anyone with video making software and a great imagination can produce stuff like this and put in half truths, lies and outright fantasies

Most definately agreed. However, its works the same for the debunkers......my main problems are this......

1) The 15 second free fall of all three buildilngs, shows no resistance from the floors. Had there been resistance, I would think the free fall should have lasted longer. The third building actually shows a center column collapsing first. I forget what thats called, but its the same thing that happens during controlled demolitions to implode the building on its own footprint. The third building was never struck by a plane. There was no jet fuel to create any intense heat. The fire damage was very limited. The surrounding buildings had much more fire damage, yet their structures remained standing.

2) That document created by US government officials 1 year prior, indicating there has to be a major catostrophic event like pearl harbor, to further US interests world wide.

3) I gotta go grab a bite to eat, and prepare to workout. Life goes on. I'll be back.

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by Traps

Most definately agreed. However, its works the same for the debunkers......my main problems are this......

1) The 15 second free fall of all three buildilngs, shows no resistance from the floors. Had there been resistance, I would think the free fall should have lasted longer. The third building actually shows a center column collapsing first. I forget what thats called, but its the same thing that happens during controlled demolitions to implode the building on its own footprint. The third building was never struck by a plane. There was no jet fuel to create any intense heat. The fire damage was very limited. The surrounding buildings had much more fire damage, yet their structures remained standing.

2) That document created by US government officials 1 year prior, indicating there has to be a major catostrophic event like pearl harbor, to further US interests world wide.

3) I gotta go grab a bite to eat, and prepare to workout. Life goes on. I'll be back.

1) there was no resistance because those floors are heavy. once the columns buckled the floor above collapsed into the lower floor. with all that weight there could be no resistance. drop a bowling ball a house of cards. think there would be resistance? the building being brought down by explosives is the least plausible of all the theories. again read the debunking materials. there are some very credible sources out there.

2) the year before the government officals were the Clinton Administration. are you saying clinton's administration was in on it too?

3)good debating man.

[POWERJIM]

Originally Posted by Traps

Most definately agreed. However, its works the same for the debunkers......my main problems are this......

1) The 15 second free fall of all three buildilngs, shows no resistance from the floors. Had there been resistance, I would think the free fall should have lasted longer. The third building actually shows a center column collapsing first. I forget what thats called, but its the same thing that happens during controlled demolitions to implode the building on its own footprint. The third building was never struck by a plane. There was no jet fuel to create any intense heat. The fire damage was very limited. The surrounding buildings had much more fire damage, yet their structures remained standing.

2) That document created by US government officials 1 year prior, indicating there has to be a major catostrophic event like pearl harbor, to further US interests world wide.

3) I gotta go grab a bite to eat, and prepare to workout. Life goes on. I'll be back.

Watch those links that mindfreak has posted to give you a balanced view of what some believe, i myself had to go through all of this info before coming to any sort of conclusion about things, obviously the conclusions ive come to about both 9/11 and 7/7 being setups are not easy things to come to terms with.

[Theguns]

[WTF DID I TELL YOU ABOUT FLAMING]

Okay first of all there if steel cant burn did any one think about factoring in getting smashed with with a 747 which can litterlaly weigh more than 870000 pounds........the building instantly had to support that much more weight ( a hell of a lot more than you will ever bench lol)

The part about the steel pot not melting....hey my dads a fire fighter and i go down there a lot trust i have seen plenty of calls which we get so many of we refer to them as "pot on the stove" calls...clever huh?

As far as the sulfur thingy goes that barely looks like white smoke it can be anything maybe just fallen parts from the building....

And Q33 NY was not the name o anything invovling thing world trade center flights....besides ten seconds before you said it was flight 11 retard

The bid laden tape...poor quality??? uh duh...i guess bin laden should of stepped outside the cave and bought a new sony cam corder from circuit city

The fact that everything landed in the basement...so what......the whole structral support on the building was getting dislocated and slammed with more and more weight/pressure the building was not completely connected to the foundation is the basement celling supposed to support all that considering this is moving weight....part of figuring out force includes speed put your hand on your nose lightly.....good now slam your hand into your face......see what i mean ( dont this it was not serious and dont sue me)


The bent steel thing.........you have thousands of punds of steel crashing down on top of eachother than lying in a pile for hours on top of each other somethings gonna get bended



The buildings were designed to withstand a plan crash.....Yeah well apollo 12 was designed to land and come home.....and the Titanic was unsinkable.....and the levys wre designed to withstand hurricanes.....Things fail!!! duh!

The pentagon video not showing the plane.....watch the explosion...it looks worse than a animated flip book....its like .05 frames per second....a plane traveling a insanely high speeds takes less than 1/2 second to travel the 20 yards that camera covered...besides a video was later released with the plane in it

[Fats[]]

I believe somebody is just making stuff up to make the American people disbelieve their own government. Stories such as these makes your faith and loyalty to your country falter.

[Theguns]

Im not flaming at all im and giving my view on the subject and supporting it with goo points....how is that flaming? i didnt even target a certain person on the forum all i did was share my thoughts on the videos that Biggerguns=Longer Drives asked us to watch.

[Traps]

I removed your comment at the beginning, and didnt notice your comment in the middle of your statement........its still there........ This is a very serious issue, and slinging names at a group of people who believe it to be true is flaming. To call another member a name is flaming. Move on, and just discuss it in an intelligent manner...... Thats all I ask.

[Theguns]

alright im sorry....i cant remember what the heck i said but i might of insulted someone when trying to disprove there theory, honestly i didn't notice you removed anything.......... thank you for leaving the rest of my post up however because i put thought and time into it and thank you for respecting that

[Traps]

Of course......Your welcome.


Everyone has a right to express their opinions in this forum, and those opinions bare more weight when presented in a mannor that doesnt insult people.

Thank you for understanding.

As far as this topic. I am taking a step back for a moment to let my emotions calm down a bit. I'll take another look at both sides again in the near future. This is some serious sh*t. If its true or even if its not true, the consequences of either/or is unmeasureable.

[kovalaybolt17]

the conspiracy theories do seem believable but much of these documentaries are manipulated so they make it more believable.

take for instance bowling for columbine by micheal moore... theres about 25 facts that he manipulated around to give himself a better argument. dont believe everything you see and take it for what it is.

[na_feu]

Whats really interesting is you guys are so big on "coincidences" that you seem to avoid history. Like the fact that Usama Bin Laden proudly took credit for 911, the celebration in the middle east after the towers fell, the 35% of the muslim population that think we deserved it, the attack on the WTC in 1993 by Usama Bin Laden, the attack on the USS Cole by UBL, the attacks in Kenya, the train bombings in Madrid, the DAILY terrorist attacks and kidnappings of Americans in Iraq (not to mention the beheadings), the foiled plan at JFK, the declaration of Death to America and Isreal by virtually every Islamic faction on Earth from Hezbollah to Hamas to PLO to Al Queda to Shi'ite Militia to ALL of them...And then there was that whole Iran-Contra situation because we were "infidels". So now that I have established the fac that there is a large number of Muslim extremists that actually want to wipe us off the map, lets analyze any possible motive for the U.S. to attack its own landmarks.

Possible motives for the U.S. to punch ourselves in the face:
Perhaps it was aimed to destroy our economy.
Perhaps it was to show our enemies..China, N. Korea, Iran etc. our weakness and how to attack us.
Perhaps it was to kill our own people and destroy Manhatten.
Perhaps it was destroy our landmarks and symbols of prosperity, kill government officials in the Pentagon, and fly a plane into the white house and kill the presidents staff. Bush wanted to kill his staff, cause he's mean.

And... all through a covert operation, which involved thousands upon thousands of covert operatives posing as regular people, forgery of evidence which involves thousands more conspirators, fabrication of witnesses who saw a "plane" above the pentagon, fabrication of cell phone calls from Penn. crash, (callers and recievers)...and them have them testify and create phony stories of how their "husband called and said there were muslim hijackers on the plane" etc., coconspirators at flight control and United who set up either phony pilots or hired kamakaze pilots trained by the U.S. gov. to carry out 911...so far I think we have approximatly a million conspirators who know the truth about 911, and are actually secret gov. operatives posing as civilians, with phony names and life histories. WOW I'm tired.
And then theres the whole thing about the terrorists of 911 and how they were all documented Muslim extremists. Documented to have taken flight classes, being on those flights, as well as virtually every gas station they visited and phone call they made, and thus having hundreds of Americans from accross the eastern U.S. who can corroborate these facts (they must be in on it too).

So we have a government that wants to destory its own country, and has millions of coconspirators within their own people, who infiltrated the media to report a completely false story.
You people are looney. I cant believe any sane human being would even consider that crap.
Do you people think about the consistancies ...or only the "coincidences"?
Heres a coincidence: I bet all who believe this are at least somewhat gullible.

BTW.. Recently, a gas truck blew up in Cali and caught fire to the bridge it was on. It collapsed, due to... steel beams being melted...? wtf? (i think I got this story right but I can find the link if neccesarry)
Any more theories?

[MindFreak]

Originally Posted by na_feu

Whats really interesting is you guys are so big on "coincidences" that you seem to avoid history. Like the fact that Usama Bin Laden proudly took credit for 911, the celebration in the middle east after the towers fell, the 35% of the muslim population that think we deserved it, the attack on the WTC in 1993 by Usama Bin Laden, the attack on the USS Cole by UBL, the attacks in Kenya, the train bombings in Madrid, the DAILY terrorist attacks and kidnappings of Americans in Iraq (not to mention the beheadings), the foiled plan at JFK, the declaration of Death to America and Isreal by virtually every Islamic faction on Earth from Hezbollah to Hamas to PLO to Al Queda to Shi'ite Militia to ALL of them...And then there was that whole Iran-Contra situation because we were "infidels". So now that I have established the fac that there is a large number of Muslim extremists that actually want to wipe us off the map, lets analyze any possible motive for the U.S. to attack its own landmarks.

Possible motives for the U.S. to punch ourselves in the face:
Perhaps it was aimed to destroy our economy.
Perhaps it was to show our enemies..China, N. Korea, Iran etc. our weakness and how to attack us.
Perhaps it was to kill our own people and destroy Manhatten.
Perhaps it was destroy our landmarks and symbols of prosperity, kill government officials in the Pentagon, and fly a plane into the white house and kill the presidents staff. Bush wanted to kill his staff, cause he's mean.

And... all through a covert operation, which involved thousands upon thousands of covert operatives posing as regular people, forgery of evidence which involves thousands more conspirators, fabrication of witnesses who saw a "plane" above the pentagon, fabrication of cell phone calls from Penn. crash, (callers and recievers)...and them have them testify and create phony stories of how their "husband called and said there were muslim hijackers on the plane" etc., coconspirators at flight control and United who set up either phony pilots or hired kamakaze pilots trained by the U.S. gov. to carry out 911...so far I think we have approximatly a million conspirators who know the truth about 911, and are actually secret gov. operatives posing as civilians, with phony names and life histories. WOW I'm tired.
And then theres the whole thing about the terrorists of 911 and how they were all documented Muslim extremists. Documented to have taken flight classes, being on those flights, as well as virtually every gas station they visited and phone call they made, and thus having hundreds of Americans from accross the eastern U.S. who can corroborate these facts (they must be in on it too).

So we have a government that wants to destory its own country, and has millions of coconspirators within their own people, who infiltrated the media to report a completely false story.
You people are looney. I cant believe any sane human being would even consider that crap.
Do you people think about the consistancies ...or only the "coincidences"?
Heres a coincidence: I bet all who believe this are at least somewhat gullible.

BTW.. Recently, a gas truck blew up in Cali and caught fire to the bridge it was on. It collapsed, due to... steel beams being melted...? wtf? (i think I got this story right but I can find the link if neccesarry)
Any more theories?

AMEN BROTHER!!! couldnt have said it any better. FVCKING BRILLIANT POST

[Taekwondo Guy]

i dont dismiss anyone who has an alternate view from the mainstream as wacko's as we are never given all the facts from what should be the 'free press'.

I was at the WTC site in March and i had a good chat with the guys down there handing out free DVD's and booklets on the whole subject of the US government being involved.

Most believe what they want as it fits their perception on how things should be, goes both ways... some just dont like the bubble being burst and bend things to the way they prefer to see and hear them.

All in all.... i was happy to hold this banner and support those who are fighting for answers.

[Renegade68]

at above picture and anyone in it.

Clearly, these ridiculous conspiracies are easy to debunk, and have been thoroughly debunked in other parts of this thread.

I will say only this. I have a good friend who works at the Pentagon, and was working there when this occurred. It was a plane, nothing else, not a bread truck, not 600 lbs of dynamite or 50 lbs of C4.

There are way too many holes in the conspiracy theories for them to float. It was a tragedy and to disrespect all who died then and since with this tripe is ludacris. Put down the crack pipes and just admit it, the world is full of people who want to kill us because we are different, free, successful, etc.