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Also weed isn't really that bad, but I've also seen some very bright people who have a sh!t load of potential and could be extremely productive people in society settle on mediocrity and not really care about there futures they just want to be high, and spend damn near all there free time, looking for and smoking weed. 
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This is a bullsh!t argument that will never end.
WE might as well argue about religion . BUT THE RECORD NEEDS TO BE SET STRAIGHT! It is a proven fact that cigarettes cause cancer, nicotine or whatever. AND pot has been proven to not cause cancer and that is including the main ingredient = THC Done! Cigarettes kill people, alcohol kills people, drugs kill people. Weed doesnt kill anyone! And dont give me that crap about people smoking weed and crashing their car. WE are talking about the scientific approach to the harmful health side effects of weed v.s. the others. Carry on, I wont be back in the thread as I dont care to hang with the misinformed
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PS. My mother is a Nurse for Social Services and alot of her clients smoke or eat cannabis in cakes etc, most of these people are in a great deal of pain 24/7 and they get great relief from smoking cannabis so its a real life saver for those that need it the most. Last edited by POWERJIM; 05-22-2007 at 08:09 AM.
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Sorry you feel this way big guns. Why do you have so much hostility. You are very defensive about the subject.
I dont think anyone is saying marijuanna is going to kill you in the long run. What we are all trying to explain is that for a majority of people, it will have a negative impact on their lives.
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I know for me it did..
I started to smoke through my higgh school years, from 14, and every day i smoked, and it made my depression issues involving my family worse, will i decided to seek out a more "Ultimate High"....... Not saying pot will kill you, it probally wont, but it does lead to other issues in peoples lives... Not everybody, but a majority that i know of....
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I smoked back in the day to get high, later on it became to kill the pain that I was going through. Had some physical ailments back then It definitely has a ton positive effects for those ailing
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I agree. I think the government should be a little more lienent in terms of its use and medical conditions, however beyond that, I strongly feel it should remain illegal. He** I think cigarettes should be illegal. It is possible to compare the two, even though they produce different effects. Both have the capacity to ruin lives, impacting both individual and loved ones in association.
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i guess weed is a "gateway." for some people anyway.
i dont think i would ever be curious about e if i hadnt have smoked pot and drank though. haha. some of that goes into a persons personality though. i have seen people only do weed/alcohol, and i have seen people branch off into harder or different drugs. me being a curious george wants to know what e is like, as it sounds fantastic. and weed is bad for you if you do it constantly or on a regular basis, like alcohol. now if you smoked weed twice a month or less i wouldnt see a problem i dont think. i wouldnt know though. that would be my guess. does Merck still manufacture the "ecstasy"? i would think so, but not sure. so the only real problem with ecstasy is that it may or probably is cut with more harmful drugs? and if pure ecstasy is safe, why was it made illegal? is that because people started puttin bad sh!t in it? if so, damn those kids. hah
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Yes it does....
Especially the way weed is made.. You just dont grow weed.. you have to "Cure" it after you harvest the buds.... If you dont "Cure" it correctly , you can form mold on it.. "Curing" is the process in which you dry the weed out, it not only dries it out but forms the taste when you smoke it... Thats why some hydrponically groqwn stuff can result in being hard on the lungs still, Some dumb noob probally did it not knowing what to do Then when its sold not only when you smoke it its harsh on the lungs, bu also, you can inhale irritating molds that formed on it from improper curing... Ever smoke alot of weed, then wake up the next day feeling like your chest is locked up? Or get sick and realize what all that brown **** is?
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Where do you derive your facts from???? Read this Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection By Marc Kaufman Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, May 26, 2006; A03 The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer. The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years. "We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect." Federal health and drug enforcement officials have widely used Tashkin's previous work on marijuana to make the case that the drug is dangerous. Tashkin said that while he still believes marijuana is potentially harmful, its cancer-causing effects appear to be of less concern than previously thought. Earlier work established that marijuana does contain cancer-causing chemicals as potentially harmful as those in tobacco, he said. However, marijuana also contains the chemical THC, which he said may kill aging cells and keep them from becoming cancerous. Tashkin's study, funded by the National Institutes of Health's National Institute on Drug Abuse, involved 1,200 people in Los Angeles who had lung, neck or head cancer and an additional 1,040 people without cancer matched by age, sex and neighborhood. They were all asked about their lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco and alcohol. The heaviest marijuana smokers had lighted up more than 22,000 times, while moderately heavy usage was defined as smoking 11,000 to 22,000 marijuana cigarettes. Tashkin found that even the very heavy marijuana smokers showed no increased incidence of the three cancers studied. "This is the largest case-control study ever done, and everyone had to fill out a very extensive questionnaire about marijuana use," he said. "Bias can creep into any research, but we controlled for as many confounding factors as we could, and so I believe these results have real meaning." Tashkin's group at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA had hypothesized that marijuana would raise the risk of cancer on the basis of earlier small human studies, lab studies of animals, and the fact that marijuana users inhale more deeply and generally hold smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers -- exposing them to the dangerous chemicals for a longer time. In addition, Tashkin said, previous studies found that marijuana tar has 50 percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to cancer than tobacco cigarette tar. While no association between marijuana smoking and cancer was found, the study findings, presented to the American Thoracic Society International Conference this week, did find a 20-fold increase in lung cancer among people who smoked two or more packs of cigarettes a day. The study was limited to people younger than 60 because those older than that were generally not exposed to marijuana in their youth, when it is most often tried. Last edited by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives; 05-22-2007 at 04:33 PM.
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What is funny is the study was inspired to prove that it does cause cancer.
So now we all know it does not cause cancer and thats a bonified fact!
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OK whatever these are noted effects positive and bad of marijuana
POSITIVE mood lift, euphoria laughter relaxation, stress reduction creative, philosophical or deep thinking : ideas flow more easily increased appreciation of music. More aware of, deeper connection to music. increased awareness of senses. (eating, drinking, smell) change in experience of muscle fatigue. Pleasant body feel. Increase in body/mind connection. pain relief (headaches, cramps) reduced nausea, increased appetite (used medically for this) boring tasks or entertainment can become more interesting or funny NEUTRAL general change in consciousness (as with many psychoactives) increased appetite, snacky-ness slowness (slow driving, talking) change in vision such as sharpened colors or lights closed-eye visuals (somewhat uncommon) tiredness, sleepiness, lethargy stimulation, inability to sleep (less common) blood shot eyes (more common with certain varieties of cannabis and inexperienced users) mouth dryness, sticky-mouth (varies with strain) interrupts linear memory. Difficulty following a train of thought. cheek, jaw, facial tension / numbness (less commonly reported) racing thoughts (especially at high doses) increased emotional impact of music Time sense altered: cars seem like they are moving too fast, time dilation and compression are common at higher doses NEGATIVE nausea, especially in combination with alcohol, some pharmaceuticals, or other psychoactives coughing, asthma, upper respiratory problems difficulty with short term memory during effects and during periods of frequent use (Ranganathan M, D'Souza DC, Psychopharmacology, 2006) racing heart, agitation, feeling tense mild to severe anxiety panic attacks in sensitive users or with very high doses (oral use increases risk of getting too much) headaches dizziness, confusion lightheadedness or fainting (in cases of lowered blood pressure) paranoid & anxious thoughts more frequent possible psychological dependence on cannabis clumsiness, loss of coordination at high doses can precipitate or exacerbate latent or existing mental disorders WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS mild to moderate, non life-threatening withdrawal symptoms occur after daily use in some users. These may last for 1-6 weeks after cessation of use and can include anxiety, anhedonia (reduced experience of pleasure), headaches, general unease/discomfort, difficulty sleeping, and a desire to smoke pot. Severity of symptoms is related to frequency of use and individual sensitivity. slight loss of appetite finding non-stoned life a bit dull, increased boredom
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