Right and Wrong?

[howardalex]

Originally Posted by POWERJIM

Also do multicultural societies really workout?

nope, the only way they workout is when the immigrants and those of different religions accept the dominant culture of the society and then it isn't multi-cultural...

however, we do need fusion of cultures for our society to evolve...

[POWERJIM]

Originally Posted by howardalex

nope, the only way they workout is when the immigrants and those of different religions accept the dominant culture of the society and then it isn't multi-cultural...

however, we do need fusion of cultures for our society to evolve...

Bump to that, your a very wise lad.

[howardalex]

Originally Posted by POWERJIM

Bump to that, your a very wise lad.

cheers mate, I do my best

[POWERJIM]

Originally Posted by howardalex

cheers mate, I do my best

Just goes to show that not all teens are dumb trolls on here, good on ya credit to the site.

[howardalex]

Originally Posted by POWERJIM

Just goes to show that not all teens are dumb trolls on here, good on ya credit to the site.

I'm gonna get big headed now! hey check it out - 2 rep squares

[hathy477]

Originally Posted by howardalex

nope, the only way they workout is when the immigrants and those of different religions accept the dominant culture of the society and then it isn't multi-cultural...

however, we do need fusion of cultures for our society to evolve...

good call howard, it is a very telling time right now for america, as u are probably aware, 10-12 million illegal aliens are living in america...most are just good people who risked a lot to make a better life for their family and i do not blame them for that, but it is a great tax on the country to support 10-12 million people who dont pay taxes (even tho almost all of them are here to work and help the economy in some ways) but the unfortunate thins is, they do not assimilate to american culture. to many people, loving your country is being racist, as is the sense of a national identity with a national language (its english...for now)

yes america is a country of immigrants, but immigrants who assimilated into the country and had contact with other ethnicities. first generation italian and german immigrants fought in WWII against italy and germany because they identified themselves as americans

it is every americans right to be proud of thier heritage and ethnicity, but i believe that it is every americans obligation to recognize that america, through the great sacrifice of those who came before them, affords them rights and privledges that they could not find elsewhere and that is something that i feel should bring more pride than anything

[sickman99]

ur conscience

[kovalaybolt17]

^^ bump. what kind of person would **** their brother wife? its not about being good or evil, thats just being a decent person.. it has nothing to do with what society tells you is right.

but i guess if my buddy ****ed my wife id know that the ***** doesnt love me and it could be a good thing in the end becasue i wouldnt waste my time.
youd waste less time in jail for aggrevated assault then you would a lifetime with someone that would cheat on you anyways.

[warri0r87]

i didnt read all of ur posts so sorry if i'm saying something which someone else has already said :P.

Right and Wrong is derived from many places. Prob the best thing to do is to look at the Ethical or Moral Theories (there is a difference between Ethics and Morals ).

Typically right is seen to be what is the 'majority' of what is 'best', this depends on things such as Utilitarianism or Ethical Formalism. But right is typically seen as what is 'best' or 'morally good'. Wrong, therefore is the opposite to that, the anti-thesis of the thesis.

From Platonic theory, the Good has been derived from Theos as apart of the Kosmos (Kosmos with a capital 'K' and not a 'C') and from this the Platonic Forms are used. Good is inherit in all things, and all things strive for the perfection and immutability of obtaining there 'Form'. This is the beginning for when ppl condemn things as 'evil' if they coin them as 'unnatural'. This would be a divergence from the mainstream/good/right.

Me personally tend to following something close to Nietszche's 'post-moral' or 'noble spirit'. I was following this before i even got around to studying him, but its always good to put a name to the theory! . This 'post-moral' is not to disolve morality, but to be beyond it. by neither judging, but acknowledging that morality has been invented to create "the interesting animal" (quote from nietszche, not sure where abouts tho ). This is something close to eastern philosophy, and paradoxical (very much my style!!) but the thing that made man the 'interesting animal' has doomed and condemned him.

Sorry if this is scattered but its very hard for me to try and explain this especially when i have to try and condense all of the writers i know, but the subject isn't easy! if i had the absolute answer, hell, mayb i could start my PhD now, lol.

[Taekwondo Guy]

Karma

i dont believe in the religious aspect but it has a good theory, do good things onto others and in turn it will come back to you.

or good old 'common sense'

[warri0r87]

Originally Posted by Taekwondo Guy

Karma

i dont believe in the religious aspect but it has a good theory, do good things onto others and in turn it will come back to you.

or good old 'common sense'

Karma is similar to that of the teachings of Lao Tzu from The Tao Teh Ching. That is Taoism, which is where the ying-yang comes from, which is from the 5 elemental theory. Karma being an 'imprint' on the Cosmos which ineveitabley comes bak around unto you. I know more about the teachings of the Tao Teh Ching and the ying-yang then Karma, they are slightly different but the concept is the same.

and good old 'common sense' is typically what you may call 'wisdom'. although from the buddhist perspective, wisdom is something greater then 'common sense' but then again, there is no 1 definition for wisdom. (which posits a great problem for Artificial Intelligence...how can you make some wise? because you cannot define wisdom. is wisdom programmable, or is tha intellect?). the 'common sense' wisdom is probably more Socratic, and it would be safe to say that Plato did not think this though, and i strongly doubt Aristotle would also. I haven't had much of a chance to study wisdom yet :P.

[Taekwondo Guy]

Originally Posted by warri0r87

Karma is similar to that of the teachings of Lao Tzu from The Tao Teh Ching. That is Taoism, which is where the ying-yang comes from, which is from the 5 elemental theory. Karma being an 'imprint' on the Cosmos which ineveitabley comes bak around unto you. I know more about the teachings of the Tao Teh Ching and the ying-yang then Karma, they are slightly different but the concept is the same.

and good old 'common sense' is typically what you may call 'wisdom'. although from the buddhist perspective, wisdom is something greater then 'common sense' but then again, there is no 1 definition for wisdom. (which posits a great problem for Artificial Intelligence...how can you make some wise? because you cannot define wisdom. is wisdom programmable, or is tha intellect?). the 'common sense' wisdom is probably more Socratic, and it would be safe to say that Plato did not think this though, and i strongly doubt Aristotle would also. I haven't had much of a chance to study wisdom yet :P.

yes to all of that

[travis8798]

They are based on nothing and everything at the same time. We start with what our parents give us, those are challenged by the world around us every day, then we start to make our own, and thats what stays...if you're strong enough to uphold them.

[Merk0135]

Right and wrong started out very clear, in mesopotamia. Law and order had to be in place for there to be a society. Thus, the first justice system was instituted, called "an eye for an eye." Throughout history right and wrong has become much more complex with the governments that write their passage and the religions that oversee them.

[warri0r87]

Originally Posted by Merk0135

Right and wrong started out very clear, in mesopotamia. Law and order had to be in place for there to be a society. Thus, the first justice system was instituted, called "an eye for an eye." Throughout history right and wrong has become much more complex with the governments that write their passage and the religions that oversee them.

how nice for someone to point out that justice is "an eye for an eye". in the words of Nietszche, "Justice is the compensation of two parties...Therefore the origins of justice lay in 'an eye for an eye'". Personally, i don't mind that kind of justice, but mayb thats because i agree with 'equality', whatever that may be .


Also, what is right and wrong but merely a moralising of "me against you", "us against them", the thesis rivalling the anti-thesis. And of course, we are still in the 'moralising age'.

[Merk0135]

Originally Posted by warri0r87

how nice for someone to point out that justice is "an eye for an eye". in the words of Nietszche, "Justice is the compensation of two parties...Therefore the origins of justice lay in 'an eye for an eye'". Personally, i don't mind that kind of justice, but mayb thats because i agree with 'equality', whatever that may be .


Also, what is right and wrong but merely a moralising of "me against you", "us against them", the thesis rivalling the anti-thesis. And of course, we are still in the 'moralising age'.

Yep, the eye for an eye concept is pretty simple. Back in mesopotamia (not sure I'm spelling that right) their houses were made out of clay. Burgalurs would break into peoples houses by going through the walls. When caught, the Burgalurs body would be used to fill the hole. Simple, yet effective.

[warri0r87]

Originally Posted by Merk0135

Yep, the eye for an eye concept is pretty simple. Back in mesopotamia (not sure I'm spelling that right) their houses were made out of clay. Burgalurs would break into peoples houses by going through the walls. When caught, the Burgalurs body would be used to fill the hole. Simple, yet effective.

unforunately i don't know much about mesopotamia . i haven't had a chance to go over this, but the name is definately farmiliar. and that is very interesting, fill the whole with the burgulars, how amazying .

[Merk0135]

Originally Posted by warri0r87

unforunately i don't know much about mesopotamia . i haven't had a chance to go over this, but the name is definately farmiliar. and that is very interesting, fill the whole with the burgulars, how amazying .

Mesopotamia is commonly known as the first society ever established. It's been awhile since I've had history class so I forget the timeframe. I believe it was located in north Africa, if I'm not mistaken.