our situation

[ams33]

hi to all

first , thanks for the support u gave me in the other thread .
2nd , i m really sorry the debate turned to another thing and am glad the mods closed it
3rd some guys were sarcastic on how am using the computer with no electricity : a-phone lines are still working and i am using a dial-up modem.
b-we have a small electric generator that generates electricity
for few hours during the day , i said no electricity and this was
a mistake

things are calm today , the bombing yesterday was waimed at the sea-port , and since we were close we were so scared , i would like to tell u all that so far things are good in the north , god only knows what the israelis are thinking right now ........i understand that israel have the right to defend itself and it have to strike to get back their esteem , but what s happening really is far far away from this : 1st - israel must do a land invasion in order to stop hezbollah from launching the rockets
2nd- air bombing and killing civillians will not lead to liberate the two soldiers
3rd - belive me that hezbollah is the least one paying the price bec civillians and underground structure and lebanese gov are the one paying

the only solution is to stop fire and negotiate to liberate the soldiers and for israel to protect her borders from future attacks the lebanese army should go to the south (something that was unaccepted before but now most lebanese support this ) BUT israel is bombing bases for lebanese army , so how come israel call for the army to go to the south ......

what s going on my freinds is far far away from a two captured soldiers cause , it s revenge from both sides .....

and please do not turn this into a pointless debate , i m not in the mood to argue all i wanted is to let u know the truth and i consider most of u freinds and freinds help each other in crisis , i ll use this post to keep u updated about the situation ...peace to all

[codemonkee]

Originally Posted by ams33

3rd some guys were sarcastic on how am using the computer with no electricity : a-phone lines are still working and i am using a dial-up modem.
b-we have a small electric generator that generates electricity
for few hours during the day

still if no electricity how is your ISP up and running with no electricity? even if you are able to dial out you must dial to an ISP which needs electricity to run. let me guess they're on a generator also? i'm sure. in the midst of a "war" the workers running the ISP are so concerned that everyone have internet access. sorry but to put it bluntly, i just dont buy your story. maybe others do, which is cool. i just dont.

[man_i_dono]

Originally Posted by codemonkee

still if no electricity how is your ISP up and running with no electricity? even if you are able to dial out you must dial to an ISP which needs electricity to run. let me guess they're on a generator also? i'm sure. in the midst of a "war" the workers running the ISP are so concerned that everyone have internet access. sorry but to put it bluntly, i just dont buy your story. maybe others do, which is cool. i just dont.

then stop reading it.. like he said, stop turning this into a pointless argument..

[codemonkee]

Originally Posted by man_i_dono

then stop reading it.. like he said, stop turning this into a pointless argument..

i'm just saying its a bs thread so he gets a "free shot" at bashing isreal and make them look evil and put all the blame on them. but you're right its a pointless argument and i wont comment on it anymore

[Hannainnc]

the electricity can be on elsewhere and the ISP still running.

I could still connect to the Internet with dial-up when we had no power due to an ice storm that took out the electricity in most of north carolina. Maybe it is far-fetched, but it can happen.

[meriaiza]

Originally Posted by codemonkee

i'm just saying its a bs thread so he gets a "free shot" at bashing isreal and make them look evil and put all the blame on them. but you're right its a pointless argument and i wont comment on it anymore

Your an idiot,you know that?Lets asume for a secound that he is lieing.It still didnt change the fact that many innocents are already killed by Isreal strikes and many more will.So how come they are not"evil"?What hezbollah
did was wrong,no doubt about it.

But just tell me is air raiding Labanen the solution to this?I agree 100% with him Isreal should stop the air raid and do land invasion insted,Something they should have done in the first place.

Its not about ams33 or the fact that is he telling the truth or not.Its about the countless innocent people that have already died and the ones that are now in danger.

[codemonkee]

Originally Posted by meriaiza

Your an idiot,you know that?Lets asume for a secound that he is lieing.It still didnt change the fact that many innocents are already killed by Isreal strikes and many more will.So how come they are not"evil"?What hezbollah
did was wrong,no doubt about it.

But just tell me is air raiding Labanen the solution to this?I agree 100% with him Isreal should stop the air raid and do land invasion insted,Something they should have done in the first place.

Its not about ams33 or the fact that is he telling the truth or not.Its about the countless innocent people that have already died and the ones that are now in danger.

Isreal should do whatever it takes. they are victims of terrorism. plain and simple. they have the right to defend themselves. yes innocent people are dying and that is regrettable. but alot of innocent people in isreal have died also at the hands of terrorists. how come you dont say about that? you only condemn isreal. let the bombs rain down is what i say. maybe if the lebanese people kicked hezbollah out this wouldnt have happened. if they cant do it ask the UN, ask the US, ask britian (dont bother asking France) it can be done. truth is the lebanese government hasnt tried to get them out. so now they get the wrath of isreal's retailiation. call me an idiot if you want that's my view. i think the same of you for your view on the situation. and yeah, i think he is lying. and so do other people on this board if you read his last posting.

[Sophie]

i hope for the people of both countries the fighting stop soon. all this fighting is going to do is lead to more fighting and the vicious cycle will continue. war doesn't solve anything. it just gives the losing country a reason to go to war again.

[codemonkee]

Originally Posted by Sophie

i hope for the people of both countries the fighting stop soon. all this fighting is going to do is lead to more fighting and the vicious cycle will continue. war doesn't solve anything. it just gives the losing country a reason to go to war again.

sorry i have to disagree. did WWII solve something? how about the American Civil War. What about the American Revolution? I can go on but i wont. what i am saying is they all solved a great deal. while war is unfortunate, it does (most of the time) solve things. it is a necessary evil sometimes. hopefully isreal will solve the problem (Hezbollah) this time. but somehow i doubt it.

[man_i_dono]

i wonder where ams is?

[meriaiza]

Originally Posted by codemonkee

sorry i have to disagree. did WWII solve something? how about the American Civil War. What about the American Revolution? I can go on but i wont. what i am saying is they all solved a great deal. while war is unfortunate, it does (most of the time) solve things. it is a necessary evil sometimes. hopefully isreal will solve the problem (Hezbollah) this time. but somehow i doubt it.

Man i would love to throw you right in the midel of that war so your problems will get solved this way.Life is complicated as it is.We dont need any more wars.Like i told you before its not about the fact that wether ams33 is a liar or not.There are millions of people out there whose life is in danger out there,not to forget the countless people who have already died.Dont you give a sh!t about them?Its easy for people like you to say that wars solve problems by sitting in the comfert of your home knowing that there wont be a bomb droped on your house that will end you along with your family but try putting your self in the middel of the war along with your family.

[howardalex]

Originally Posted by codemonkee

Isreal should do whatever it takes. they are victims of terrorism. plain and simple. they have the right to defend themselves. yes innocent people are dying and that is regrettable. but alot of innocent people in isreal have died also at the hands of terrorists. how come you dont say about that? you only condemn isreal. let the bombs rain down is what i say. maybe if the lebanese people kicked hezbollah out this wouldnt have happened. if they cant do it ask the UN, ask the US, ask britian (dont bother asking France) it can be done. truth is the lebanese government hasnt tried to get them out. so now they get the wrath of isreal's retailiation. call me an idiot if you want that's my view. i think the same of you for your view on the situation. and yeah, i think he is lying. and so do other people on this board if you read his last posting.

I'm not gonna call you an idiot but I disagree...
Although I don't like the idea of the whole conflict there're some other facts to look at:

- the jews kicked the palestinians out of their own country, they're simply trying to get it back
- the jews kill more palestinians than palestinians kill jews
- the jews broke the cease fire, not the palestians


I know the palestinians shouldn't bomb innocent people but neither should the jews

[codemonkee]

Originally Posted by meriaiza

Man i would love to throw you right in the midel of that war so your problems will get solved this way.Life is complicated as it is.We dont need any more wars.Like i told you before its not about the fact that wether ams33 is a liar or not.There are millions of people out there whose life is in danger out there,not to forget the countless people who have already died.Dont you give a sh!t about them?Its easy for people like you to say that wars solve problems by sitting in the comfert of your home knowing that there wont be a bomb droped on your house that will end you along with your family but try putting your self in the middel of the war along with your family.

first of all, dont tell me you would like to put me in the middle of a war cause i've already been in a war. and yes wars do solve problems. solved the problem of hitler didnt it? if the world was like you and stayed out of war at all costs, Hitler would rule europe right now. Saddam would have taken over Kuiwait. United States would still be ruled by britian. people die in war. innocent people as well as soldiers. this is a "war" that isreal needs to fight and win. if innocent people die in the process then they die. i hope they dont but it is very important for isreal to win this at all costs. appeasement has NEVER worked in the history of the world. like i said before imagine if people like you had your way during WWII and Hitler was allowed to do what he wanted unimpeded. think about that.

[codemonkee]

Originally Posted by howardalex

I'm not gonna call you an idiot but I disagree...

you can disagree i respect that. everyone has their own opinion. we disagree with each other.

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by codemonkee

sorry i have to disagree. did WWII solve something? how about the American Civil War. What about the American Revolution? I can go on but i wont. what i am saying is they all solved a great deal. while war is unfortunate, it does (most of the time) solve things. it is a necessary evil sometimes. hopefully isreal will solve the problem (Hezbollah) this time. but somehow i doubt it.

I dont think there is an agreeable solution to this war. Alot of ppl are going to die and alot of countries are gonna get sucked into it. Im sick of my country (US) thinking they have to play world watchdog. We need to stay the hell out of other ppls business and worry about our country. Our military is spread so thin now we couldnt even protect our own soil if someone attacked or invaded. Saddam was never a threat to us. We were in bed with him years ago and when he quit doing what we wanted, we threw him in jail. Thats what we do. Its no surprise to me the rest of the world hates us.

[codemonkee]

Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

I dont think there is an agreeable solution to this war. Alot of ppl are going to die and alot of countries are gonna get sucked into it. Im sick of my country (US) thinking they have to play world watchdog. We need to stay the hell out of other ppls business and worry about our country. Our military is spread so thin now we couldnt even protect our own soil if someone attacked or invaded.

i think this conflict does involve us cause hezbollah will come over here if they had their way with isreal. they are terrorists and it is in the best interest of the US if those terrorists were destroyed. and trust me i was in the military. we could protect ourselves if someone invaded. we have not even come close to doing what we are capable of doing. trust me i have seen first hand

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by codemonkee

i think this conflict does involve us cause hezbollah will come over here if they had their way with isreal. they are terrorists and it is in the best interest of the US if those terrorists were destroyed. and trust me i was in the military. we could protect ourselves if someone invaded. we have not even come close to doing what we are capable of doing. trust me i have seen first hand

Really, like the way we went into Iraq and kicked ass and took names? Bwahahaha. Our military is a joke.

[Hannainnc]

I hope this ams guy is okay.

[hathy477]

Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

Really, like the way we went into Iraq and kicked ass and took names? Bwahahaha. Our military is a joke.

how can you say that about the people who provide protection for you?

our military is not a joke, it is the best in the world. the reason that we are not doing as well as we could in iraq is because politicians with little military experience (george w in this case) wont commit an overwhelming force to iraq...colin powell, a vietnam vet who commanded troops FROM THE FRONT might i add, said that we had to commit 500,000 troops to iraq in order to win (we have 135,000 right now). politicians love to tie the military's hands behind thier back before they send them to war..clinton did it in mogadishu as well, he was afraid that the US might look like bullies if he sent in the appropriate force to deal with the issue

also, america deals with people who kno that they cant defeat us, so all the want to do is create chaos by killing not only American soldiers, but more often thier own people. the debate on what our country gets itself into overseas could go on forever and i do not want to start that, i'm just upset that you would call the very military that provides protection of our American way of life, a joke


world views aside, nice work on the bulk cycle since feb