Israel!

[krenalor]

After fighting three wars with Carthage, Rome had enough! Hundreds of years of fighting ended today when Rome killed all men/boys not able to pass under the yolk of an ox cart and enslaved the women. The Romans then went on to salt the land and nothing will grow there THOUSANDS of years later.

Don't say that Hezbollah can't be beaten, they sure can.

[hmmm]

Originally Posted by Taekwondo Guy

and you go onto use vietnam as an example in two of your posts, play by your own rules before dictating them onto others

if israel was to launch a massive ground attack on lebanon, street by street, house by house clearing of militia the whole world would be up in arms... everyone hates the bad mr teworwist (elmer fudd voice) but they also like to see nobody hurt.

in a liberal world where even war has to be a civilised affair its not suprising why israel is coming up with low results. you wouldnt hunt a deer with foam bullets...

Hezabollah are in a bad position and if the war drags on their supply lines could be cut and their politcal ties with syria and iran severed with it. Hezabollah do not want to batter out terms of a ceasefire while the conflict is going on as they know they will have the lower hand.

hezabollah want there to be a ceasefire then terms brokered out.
Israel wants hezabollah to be broken down, disbanded and a Lebanese army patrolling the southern border

sounds fair enough to me

Im starting to think why should they? Hezbollah was a group created to get the Israelis out of their country. Israel killed 30,000 people. If Hazbollah can be called a terrorist group, then the Israelis are also a terror group. If you read the link i gave you'll see that Israel took lebanese civilians and imprisoned them for bargaining use, further they tortured them and some were imprisioned for 15 years.

DO i think firing rockets at the Israel cities is wrong? Of course. But i dont see how occupying a country for over 20 years killing 30 000 people and detroying the country is right.

Israel could never get rid of hezbollah, they left lebanon because the military toll was too high. History shows that hazbollah will never be defeated. And in my opinion if Israels actions are accepted, then hezbollah should not be called a terrorist organisation.

I was watching footage of Israelis civilians crying and what not because they feared rockets which are inaccurate. I was thinking to myself, that would be pretty bad, but put yourself into a lebanese civilians shoes--- jets dropping bombs at anytime and at any place. Rockets from navey ships to be used at anytime. Israeli gunships patroling the air ready to fire on anything suspicious. The lebanese are under much worse conditions... no power... no food... no water.

The only way this conflict can be solved is with a much stricter guardianship. Both hezbollah and israel will never be at peace and the best we can do is closely monitor their actions and not let things get out of hand. Its been like this for decades and another war is not going to cure the problem, is this correct or is someone on here going to prove to me that war will solve the problem?

[hmmm]

Originally Posted by krenalor

After fighting three wars with Carthage, Rome had enough! Hundreds of years of fighting ended today when Rome killed all men/boys not able to pass under the yolk of an ox cart and enslaved the women. The Romans then went on to salt the land and nothing will grow there THOUSANDS of years later.

Don't say that Hezbollah can't be beaten, they sure can.

sorry buddy but that happened over a thousand years ago.. times have changed and populations are much greater and the ideology is shared by more people then Israel can handle.

[krenalor]

If we block action no one can do anything about Israel, they have 200+ nukes. That leaves only a few countries that can deal with that, and they aren't interested enough.
Hezbollah started by committing an act of war, their stupidity (and they admitted it) was thinking Israel wasn't going to be serious about it.

Of course to appease the liberals, we (the U.S.) have a dissident Iranian group in Iraq and we should arm them with missiles. Give Iran a little of it's own back, and btw you can't say anything about it. Iran has to play by the same idiotic rule then, no attacks. Then Russia has plenty of enemies in Afghanistan, so we arm them. The Chinese get Tiawan lobbing missiles over. Lets all act like Arabs "wasn't me, I just arm them, feed them, and allow them to live here". Heck why leave the US out? Mexico begins lobbing missiles into YOUR town and you want to be stupid about it? After all no one is responsible for what happens in their borders anymore.

Now Hezbollah and Israel have been offered a truce to end the fighting, Israel agreed and Hezbollah didn't. What a surprise! To anyone with any brains they knew Hezbollah will keep fighting. Now Israel can kill them all and no one really has a leg to stand on to argue against it.

BTW, for the ones who don't get it, if you want a war with the US mess with Israel. That leaves *ZERO* countries able to deal with the situation if it escalates.

Syria is in the lucky position of being between Israel if it rolls into Lebenon and a sizeable armored force that belongs to the US parked right next door in Iraq. BTW tanks don't guard jack in Iraq and can roll freely to attack. Iraq insurgents are not interested in insta-death fighting virtually impervious Abrahms tanks for the most part, killing unarmed men, women, and children is more their style. We don't have to invade, just flood the area with junk weapons and they will happily kill each other once Syria losses all the tanks and no government is left to hold power.

Syria's 500 rusty export version tanks with old and sometimes half charge cannon shells vs the world's two meanest armored forces outnumbered about 10:1 and being attacked from the air.

Iran was stopped by Iraq in the Iraq/Iran war, they are meaningless against the US army in Iraq. The Iranians just die then and we can always just nuke them too, heck no need they are so weak in air power we can bomb them and do a 1000 time better job then Israel.

OR Lebenon can stop all the stupidity and disarm Hezbollah, and Nato will help. IF THEY ASK, now which do you choose?

1000 years, pffft, Adolf Hitler killed millions and no one cared at the time, Germany attacked an ally of Britian and France (Poland) and that started WW2.
Mao and Stalin killed millions more of their own people and no one cared. Rome was small time.

[Taekwondo Guy]

Originally Posted by hmmm

The only way this conflict can be solved is with a much stricter guardianship. Both hezbollah and israel will never be at peace and the best we can do is closely monitor their actions and not let things get out of hand. Its been like this for decades and another war is not going to cure the problem, is this correct or is someone on here going to prove to me that war will solve the problem?

guardianship? As in a nanny to catch the dummy as it is spat out by either side?

War never directly solves the problems of the world, but in the aftermath of it is deals brokered. Every country is happy to go to war with another and its only once the repurcussions are felt that the arse hole starts to quiver and doubt creeps in.
When Israel has lost enough soliders and faced enough military red faces in blunders (latest is artillery bombarding the UN observers), will they consider pulling out and sitting at the table.

Hezbollah is facing being supported by a crippled country and the runt of the litter in the midde east if this kicks off a larger conflict.

nobody negotiates until there is good reason and in the best interests of themselves.

Sorry Hmmmm but civilians are mere pawns in the wider game between two countries.... its bad i know but its not going to change

[hmmm]

im not going to say that civilians wont die, but they didnt have to because the very essence of the reasons behind this war will never be solved. This conflict will never be solved (not in the near future) so what do we do? Let them fight every couple of years so lebanon can get crumbled each time then wait for a negotiation? The US has a lot of power of the Israelis and im sure if they put enough pressure israel will stop. The same goes with hezbollah, Syria and Iran have a lot of influence hezbollah so i truce would have to involve those coutries. Im not saying another war will break out after that truces are always broken but its better then just doing nothing.

[hmmm]

Originally Posted by krenalor

If we block action no one can do anything about Israel, they have 200+ nukes. That leaves only a few countries that can deal with that, and they aren't interested enough.
Hezbollah started by committing an act of war, their stupidity (and they admitted it) was thinking Israel wasn't going to be serious about it.

Of course to appease the liberals, we (the U.S.) have a dissident Iranian group in Iraq and we should arm them with missiles. Give Iran a little of it's own back, and btw you can't say anything about it. Iran has to play by the same idiotic rule then, no attacks. Then Russia has plenty of enemies in Afghanistan, so we arm them. The Chinese get Tiawan lobbing missiles over. Lets all act like Arabs "wasn't me, I just arm them, feed them, and allow them to live here". Heck why leave the US out? Mexico begins lobbing missiles into YOUR town and you want to be stupid about it? After all no one is responsible for what happens in their borders anymore.

Now Hezbollah and Israel have been offered a truce to end the fighting, Israel agreed and Hezbollah didn't. What a surprise! To anyone with any brains they knew Hezbollah will keep fighting. Now Israel can kill them all and no one really has a leg to stand on to argue against it.

BTW, for the ones who don't get it, if you want a war with the US mess with Israel. That leaves *ZERO* countries able to deal with the situation if it escalates.

Syria is in the lucky position of being between Israel if it rolls into Lebenon and a sizeable armored force that belongs to the US parked right next door in Iraq. BTW tanks don't guard jack in Iraq and can roll freely to attack. Iraq insurgents are not interested in insta-death fighting virtually impervious Abrahms tanks for the most part, killing unarmed men, women, and children is more their style. We don't have to invade, just flood the area with junk weapons and they will happily kill each other once Syria losses all the tanks and no government is left to hold power.

Syria's 500 rusty export version tanks with old and sometimes half charge cannon shells vs the world's two meanest armored forces outnumbered about 10:1 and being attacked from the air.

Iran was stopped by Iraq in the Iraq/Iran war, they are meaningless against the US army in Iraq. The Iranians just die then and we can always just nuke them too, heck no need they are so weak in air power we can bomb them and do a 1000 time better job then Israel.

OR Lebenon can stop all the stupidity and disarm Hezbollah, and Nato will help. IF THEY ASK, now which do you choose?

1000 years, pffft, Adolf Hitler killed millions and no one cared at the time, Germany attacked an ally of Britian and France (Poland) and that started WW2.
Mao and Stalin killed millions more of their own people and no one cared. Rome was small time.

even back in staLins time news travelled slowly, and it is much differnent now.

You think if israel went in and killed every man women and child people would not stop that? You've got to be kidding. As for the rest of you response, it was mostly rambling on about nothing and i couldnt really understand it.

[Taekwondo Guy]

Originally Posted by krenalor

After fighting three wars with Carthage, Rome had enough! Hundreds of years of fighting ended today when Rome killed all men/boys not able to pass under the yolk of an ox cart and enslaved the women. The Romans then went on to salt the land and nothing will grow there THOUSANDS of years later.

Don't say that Hezbollah can't be beaten, they sure can.

its said that rome wouldnt of salted too huge an area as salt was a valuable commodity back then and even used in payment of goods lol.

The end of Carthage has been made notorious by the story that the Romans allegedly sowed the city with salt to ensure that no further rivals to their power would arise there. However, given the great value of salt at the time and the strategic importance of the city’s location, scholars dispute whether the event actually occurred.

hijack over

[Taekwondo Guy]

Originally Posted by hmmm

im not going to say that civilians wont die, but they didnt have to because the very essence of the reasons behind this war will never be solved. This conflict will never be solved (not in the near future) so what do we do? Let them fight every couple of years so lebanon can get crumbled each time then wait for a negotiation? The US has a lot of power of the Israelis and im sure if they put enough pressure israel will stop. The same goes with hezbollah, Syria and Iran have a lot of influence hezbollah so i truce would have to involve those coutries. Im not saying another war will break out after that truces are always broken but its better then just doing nothing.

i just want to know who elected the US as the worlds nanny and policeman. Always in the news its the US who seems to give an emporer's thumbs up or down to 2 countries fighting it out in the coliseum

people can jump in and break up the fight but the two have to settle it out once and for all and i think its at that point now.

[krenalor]

Saudi Arabia and Egypt are pressuring Syria to stop. The U.S. is leaning on Isreal, and the U.S. is involved because a close ally is fighting a group that has caused harm in the past to U.S. and peace in the region.
Time for the U.S. to send "volunteers" to fight with their very own Abrahms tanks and F-16's just like the Muslims send troops into fight! Iran is sending "volunteers" into the area, we need to play by the same rules.
Use the same dirty tactics and see how the Iranians like it, and blast anyone who complains the U.S. is doing it and remained silent as China did it in Korea and Muslim countries do now. Arrest them and hold them as enemy collaborators, strip them of citizenship and deport them after the fighting is done. That will stop the anti-American liberals, they either complain about both sides or shut the hell up.
The winners will be Egypt and Saudi Arabia, they despise Iran, have some of their worst radicals killed illegally fighting in others wars, Isreal will be weakened a bit, and they sit it out collecting higher oil revenue.
The U.S. is sitting it out, and we aren't the world's policeman and should stay out and keep others out of it. Lebenon wrote their own doom allowing Hezebollah to stay there when they could have asked for help and got rid of them long ago.

[hmmm]

Originally Posted by Taekwondo Guy

i just want to know who elected the US as the worlds nanny and policeman. Always in the news its the US who seems to give an emporer's thumbs up or down to 2 countries fighting it out in the coliseum

people can jump in and break up the fight but the two have to settle it out once and for all and i think its at that point now.

they elected themselves by coming to sole superpower. They have a responsibility.

Im telling you it wont be solved with war.

[codemonkee]

Originally Posted by hmmm

they elected themselves by coming to sole superpower. They have a responsibility.

Im telling you it wont be solved with war.

another naive liberal seeing the world with his heart instead of his brain. ill say it again. if isreal fights the way it can. go 100% all out. they would completely destroy hezbollah and solve the problem. and if lebanon gets destroyed in the process, oh well. the weak, cry baby liberals will have to deal with it.

[hmmm]

Originally Posted by krenalor

Saudi Arabia and Egypt are pressuring Syria to stop. The U.S. is leaning on Isreal, and the U.S. is involved because a close ally is fighting a group that has caused harm in the past to U.S. and peace in the region.
Time for the U.S. to send "volunteers" to fight with their very own Abrahms tanks and F-16's just like the Muslims send troops into fight! Iran is sending "volunteers" into the area, we need to play by the same rules.
Use the same dirty tactics and see how the Iranians like it, and blast anyone who complains the U.S. is doing it and remained silent as China did it in Korea and Muslim countries do now. Arrest them and hold them as enemy collaborators, strip them of citizenship and deport them after the fighting is done. That will stop the anti-American liberals, they either complain about both sides or shut the hell up.
The winners will be Egypt and Saudi Arabia, they despise Iran, have some of their worst radicals killed illegally fighting in others wars, Isreal will be weakened a bit, and they sit it out collecting higher oil revenue.
The U.S. is sitting it out, and we aren't the world's policeman and should stay out and keep others out of it. Lebenon wrote their own doom allowing Hezebollah to stay there when they could have asked for help and got rid of them long ago.

The US should play a political role, not a military one.

Countries that have a lot of influence of the middle east need to pressure Israel and Hezbollah to stop this endless fighting.

We all know that if they keep going it will lead to an Israeli occupation of lebanon and too many lives gone. And still hezbollah will be alive and more popular then ever.