Israel!

[codemonkee]

Originally Posted by hmmm

they had elections, but what has changed? People are still dieing.

Negotiate. Not with money and weapons though, I doubt that this would work unless they do have something to lose. If they fails, small SF operations. A lot less killing but very effective. Just look at SAS taking out scuds in desert storm.

so you want to Negotiate with terrorists? that is so laughable. and just what would we negotiate? sorry that is just plain foolish to think you can even reason with a terrorist.

[Noir]

Hey, they were dumb enough to screw the israel.

[hmmm]

Originally Posted by codemonkee

so you want to Negotiate with terrorists? that is so laughable. and just what would we negotiate? sorry that is just plain foolish to think you can even reason with a terrorist.

how do you define a terrorist? Everyone has a price, even ''terrorists''.

The only thing you wouldnt negotiate is money or weapons.

Everyone has a reason for doing something. And everyone will negotiate.

Point out the differences between 9/11 attack and iraq invasion. Both did it with reason and without consent. USA has killed more iraqis then the 9/11 attack.

The USA could be regarded as a terrorist itself, just a more advanced and complex one.

[hmmm]

Just reading the paper before and iran issued a warning of ''unimaginable loss'' to israel if they attack syria.

All this because of 2 soldiers.

Lebanon which has just come out of 30 years of syrian military presence and out of a 15yr civil war. Now vital infrastructure is being destroyed along with displacing civilians and killing them. 18 civilians (9children) were burnt alive when a israeli gunship targeted them feeling from an israeli offensive.

all this over 2 soldiers.

[Fats[]]

War mongering mofo's.

[juggalo24]

Who cares if War's help economy. War is a necessary evil, and you can't back down to Evil Dictators and Terrorists. If U.S.A didn't fight in WWII Germany would be the biggest super power in the world and their would be no middle east. Isreal wouldn't even be a country.

Back to the topic.

"This is not good for the lebanese people, they're are being punished because of this group that israel is attacking."

F**K the lebanease people, do you honestly think the lebanese people didn't know they had terror cells were in their country. If they couldn't get rid of them their selves, I'm sure the US would of been happy too.

Isreal is doing it's best to kill only terrorists, and not to attack the people of Lebannon, but it's hard when they don't wear a uniform, and hide amongst civilians.

Isreal can handle Syria, Lebannon, and Palestin without help from the U.S, they have a strong army trained and armed by U.S, but if Iran gets involved, they will wish they hadn't because we will bomb Iran, Syria, and Lebannon.

Their will be no WWIII, because Russia and China won't lift a finger to help, it will be a massacre, and innocent people will die, because they wanted to start **** with Isreal.

I hope this doesn't happen, because I am in the Army National guard, and if this does happen, I'll probably be over their helping.

Peace
Randy

I encourage everyone to join the guard because you really don't have any business talking about wars or freedom, if your not willing to fight for it if needed.

[hmmm]

wow Ignorance with a capital I

[RRAdam]

WHATCHA GONNA DO BROTHA, WHEN GOD AND THE ISRAELITES RUN WILLLLD ON YOU!!??!!??!


yea, israel doesnt shoot blanks, usually the US tries to keep israel out of thing - like when iraq shot the scuds over... but i think all we could this time was just say, uh oh. get the marshmallows folks, i think lebanon is about to become a crisp spot on the map.

[hmmm]

Personally, i think israels over-retaliation is to show dominance in the region. Just letting the neighbours know not to piss me off.

[Taekwondo Guy]

Originally Posted by hmmm

Personally, i think israels over-retaliation is to show dominance in the region. Just letting the neighbours know not to piss me off.

replace the word Israel with America in each of your posts

[Taekwondo Guy]

Originally Posted by hmmm

how do you define a terrorist? Everyone has a price, even ''terrorists''.

The only thing you wouldnt negotiate is money or weapons.

Everyone has a reason for doing something. And everyone will negotiate.

Point out the differences between 9/11 attack and iraq invasion. Both did it with reason and without consent. USA has killed more iraqis then the 9/11 attack.

The USA could be regarded as a terrorist itself, just a more advanced and complex one.

sorry but that is pretty lame IMO.
I take it your the kid who happily gave over his lunch money in school?

You cannot negotiate or you set a president with everyone that terrorists or opposing factions can kidnap their people and in the end will get money and plenty of other goodies.
Pffft.... please, so no next time the terrorists or faction wants something what do you think they will do?
Will they sit and think "oh no, we got our fingers burned that time we were given thousands of dollars, better not do that again!"

All this because of 2 soldiers.

Lebanon which has just come out of 30 years of syrian military presence and out of a 15yr civil war. Now vital infrastructure is being destroyed along with displacing civilians and killing them. 18 civilians (9children) were burnt alive when a israeli gunship targeted them feeling from an israeli offensive.

all this over 2 soldiers.

how old are you by the way?
say the troops were your family, would you be preaching the greater good in whitehall?
You sound like a guy who would certainly sell out your fellow friends and negotiate with people who do you wrong just to save your own ass.
Governments do not sell out they're own troops and people.

Look at Lebanon's strikes, aimed at market areas with crude hand made rockets, israel is going for non-civilian targets trying to get lebanon to back down.

[codemonkee]

Originally Posted by Taekwondo Guy

sorry but that is pretty lame IMO.
I take it your the kid who happily gave over his lunch money in school?

You cannot negotiate or you set a president with everyone that terrorists or opposing factions can kidnap their people and in the end will get money and plenty of other goodies.
Pffft.... please, so no next time the terrorists or faction wants something what do you think they will do?
Will they sit and think "oh no, we got our fingers burned that time we were given thousands of dollars, better not do that again!"



how old are you by the way?
say the troops were your family, would you be preaching the greater good in whitehall?
You sound like a guy who would certainly sell out your fellow friends and negotiate with people who do you wrong just to save your own ass.
Governments do not sell out they're own troops and people.

Look at Lebanon's strikes, aimed at market areas with crude hand made rockets, israel is going for non-civilian targets trying to get lebanon to back down.

excellent post Taekwondo Guy. this guy acts like the lives of those soldiers arent worth getting back. and he thinks you can negoitate with terrorists. sounds like kid who is dreaming.

[codemonkee]

Originally Posted by hmmm

Point out the differences between 9/11 attack and iraq invasion. Both did it with reason and without consent. USA has killed more iraqis then the 9/11 attack.

The USA could be regarded as a terrorist itself, just a more advanced and complex one.

how about the difference that the USA goes after military targes and doesnt target civilians, women and children purposely. yeah somethings things happen and innocent people get killed but it isnt done purposely. also the US warned they were going in for months before they did. people had a chance to get ready, or get out. now lets look at the terrorists. did they target civilians when the hit the world trade center. was that a military target ? NOPE? all civilians.. did they warn anyone? NOPE no warning. that is the difference between a terrorist with its cowardness and a military using its might.

[Taekwondo Guy]

please, keep this to israel/lebanon and not 9/11

[hmmm]

Originally Posted by Taekwondo Guy

sorry but that is pretty lame IMO.
I take it your the kid who happily gave over his lunch money in school?

You cannot negotiate or you set a president with everyone that terrorists or opposing factions can kidnap their people and in the end will get money and plenty of other goodies.
Pffft.... please, so no next time the terrorists or faction wants something what do you think they will do?
Will they sit and think "oh no, we got our fingers burned that time we were given thousands of dollars, better not do that again!"



how old are you by the way?
say the troops were your family, would you be preaching the greater good in whitehall?
You sound like a guy who would certainly sell out your fellow friends and negotiate with people who do you wrong just to save your own ass.
Governments do not sell out they're own troops and people.

Look at Lebanon's strikes, aimed at market areas with crude hand made rockets, israel is going for non-civilian targets trying to get lebanon to back down.

Obviously, you just dont give them money. And negotiating is not about just giving, it is about receiving too. I studied negotiation techniques at university, obviously you didnt.

If that was my family i would be pissed, but on lookers who look at me will think how many other brothers, fathers and sons have to die to avenge these deaths?

Dont pity me with "how old are you". How logical does it seem to seek revenge of two soldiers by risking and ultimately losing 100x and possible 1000's x that many soldiers?

Dont say lebanon is doing these attacks, because its not them. Simply a group using lebanon as its base. A virus infecting a body.

Dont give me this **** about harbouring terrorists. Lebanon has too much to lose by trying to kick them out.

[hmmm]

Originally Posted by codemonkee

how about the difference that the USA goes after military targes and doesnt target civilians, women and children purposely. yeah somethings things happen and innocent people get killed but it isnt done purposely. also the US warned they were going in for months before they did. people had a chance to get ready, or get out. now lets look at the terrorists. did they target civilians when the hit the world trade center. was that a military target ? NOPE? all civilians.. did they warn anyone? NOPE no warning. that is the difference between a terrorist with its cowardness and a military using its might.

30-40 thousand civilians have been killed.

[codemonkee]

Originally Posted by hmmm

Obviously, you just dont give them money. And negotiating is not about just giving, it is about receiving too. I studied negotiation techniques at university, obviously you didnt.

so what do you "give" them. tell me. you still havent told me Mr Negotiation Techniques. i figured you were no older than a college student who still has these wild dreams about how to deal with the world. tell me what we will offer them. the truth is and what you fail to realize is that we havent nothing to offer them cause they dont want anything from us except our death and demise. i guess we offer them that right? our destruction. i say kill the bastards. there is nothing to negotitate. kill every last one of them. 5000 lb bombs day and night til we send them to allah to be granted their 72 virgins. that's what they really want. either our demise or theirs. how do you negoitate that? Tell me Mr. Negotiation Techniques

[codemonkee]

Originally Posted by Taekwondo Guy

please, keep this to israel/lebanon and not 9/11

people may not agree with the american/british military action but it is a far cry from terrorism. i was just pointing out the difference between terrorism and military action. but i will agree to keep 9/11 out of it cause your right and this is not what this thread was about

[Taekwondo Guy]

Originally Posted by hmmm

Obviously, you just dont give them money. And negotiating is not about just giving, it is about receiving too. I studied negotiation techniques at university, obviously you didnt.

If that was my family i would be pissed, but on lookers who look at me will think how many other brothers, fathers and sons have to die to avenge these deaths?

Dont pity me with "how old are you". How logical does it seem to seek revenge of two soldiers by risking and ultimately losing 100x and possible 1000's x that many soldiers?

Dont say lebanon is doing these attacks, because its not them. Simply a group using lebanon as its base. A virus infecting a body.

Dont give me this **** about harbouring terrorists. Lebanon has too much to lose by trying to kick them out.

if a naughty child gets something out of throwing a tantrum, the child is getting positive reinforcement to do so again as there are two winners... the child and the parent

therefore:

a naughty terrorist gets some of his friends back if he goes out and kidnaps somebody to start an exchange negotiation. What message does it send out? In the end there is two winners after negotiation otherwise the terrorists would reject the deal.
By refusing negotiation you are not giving the positive reinforcement that it can happen again and the same sort of deals brokered.

do you not see this? surely they teach that in university?

I'm glad i'm not in the army with you as an ally as i'd be damned if you've got my back... if its not in the common interests of others you'd surely shrug your shoulders and mince back off to base.

Hizabola is indeed a virus infecting lebanon but lebanon isnt exactly trying to stop these attacks is it?

[codemonkee]

Originally Posted by Taekwondo Guy

if a naughty child gets something out of throwing a tantrum, the child is getting positive reinforcement to do so again as there are two winners... the child and the parent

therefore:

a naughty terrorist gets some of his friends back if he goes out and kidnaps somebody to start an exchange negotiation. What message does it send out? In the end there is two winners after negotiation otherwise the terrorists would reject the deal.
By refusing negotiation you are not giving the positive reinforcement that it can happen again and the same sort of deals brokered.

do you not see this? surely they teach that in university?

I'm glad i'm not in the army with you as an ally as i'd be damned if you've got my back... if its not in the common interests of others you'd surely shrug your shoulders and mince back off to base.

Hizabola is indeed a virus infecting lebanon but lebanon isnt exactly trying to stop these attacks is it?

bravo to this post. excellent points. but trust me this guy would never be in the military. he loathes it. and its better he doesnt join we dont need people like him on our side