Prejudice against obese people?

[nyMelissa]

there is a fine line - i'll bet you if some of us go into the Obese Calculator - even thought you could be solid muscle - you may find that your weight puts you in the Obese category,

But i know we are actualyl talking about the Visually fat - the unhealthy looking people who have "done it to themselves"

There are diseases and medications that make people gain weight and the CANNOT HELP IT or starve themselves and make it go away, but the others - that is who we make fun of isn't it?

the people we can make fun of and not feel bad about - are the ones that CAN change but dont have the will or determination to change.

i mean - my friends and i can walk around and pick on really bad fashion mistakes all day - but only cuz we know the person can change if they want to.

Fat people? you can't REALLY know if they are in the category when you "can" make fun of them in good conscience - but its human nature.

we make fun of people cuz it makes US laugh or feel better.

[Cammo]

Originally Posted by nyMelissa

.....we make fun of people cuz it makes US laugh or feel better.

I try not to make fun of people (although it's pretty hard around here with some of the ludicrous threads being posted of late). I tend to keep my predjudices to myself unless being asked for my opinion. It saves a lot of heartache and as you mentioned, it may be an uneducated opinion.

[$UPERM@N]

[quote=nyMelissa]there is a fine line - i'll bet you if some of us go into the Obese Calculator - even thought you could be solid muscle - you may find that your weight puts you in the Obese category,

well yeah, thats obvious, 5'10" my ideal weight is about 170 and im 185, so clearly the obese calc doesn't have any relevance in the world of body building, not to mention the fact that muscle weighs twice as much as fat, so since im obese, can i get on some government program now? and just sit home eat sleep and train and be paid for it?????????????????

[narcsarge]

[quote=$UPERM@N]

Originally Posted by nyMelissa

there is a fine line - i'll bet you if some of us go into the Obese Calculator - even thought you could be solid muscle - you may find that your weight puts you in the Obese category,

well yeah, thats obvious, 5'10" my ideal weight is about 170 and im 185, so clearly the obese calc doesn't have any relevance in the world of body building, not to mention the fact that muscle weighs twice as much as fat, so since im obese, can i get on some government program now? and just sit home eat sleep and train and be paid for it?????????????????

As Carlos Mencia states "If you want special treatment, I'll give you that. But then you must admit that you are inferior to me! That I am better then you. I don't need, nor do I want special treatment." For those that don't know who Carlos Mencia is, he is a comedian from Honduras! Everyone calls him a Mexican because he lives in LA.

[Taekwondo Guy]

bring in the fat tax.... i've been talking about it for years and finally there was a documentary on UK TV about it. My vents are being listened to by the big brass.

i've helped a fat friend get down from 294lbs to 259lbs, he was putting the work in... until he cried into a kebab. pfffftt.

i have little time for the 'i just cant help it' brigade, i have to pay for their health care through my taxes

[Taekwondo Guy]

Originally Posted by Caferacer

HA! Here it is.

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=491379

i havent laughed at something written on the net like that for ages!

[sundaygirl]

Well i have had a horror of fat people for years, can understand how they get that way or how they can eat so much food. but that was me when i was ill.
A few months ago i saw this program on tv and it explained that some people gain weight through illness or medication and it made me see that it wasnt their fault.
My sister in law tries so hard to lose weight, she works out really hard loses a few stone and then puts it all back on i feel so sad for her.
It must be really difficult for her as my brother has been a bodybuilder for years and has great shape. and size.

Now i realize that there are some people who dont try and who moan a lot about it. in the uk it hasnt got as far in trying to get equal rights over weight reasons.
But i do feel that society has a lot to do with people being overweight, cheap food is fattening, everywhere i go there are fast food outlets take aways and its hard for people to make the right choices.

Many people cannot afford to eat well and go for the easy cheap option which causes them to gain masses of extra weight.

I am lucky i suppose, never really liking fattening food or chocolate which seems to be a big issue with a lot of women. another thing that i have noticed is that some people dont realize what they are actually eating and drinking. soft drinks add loads of sugar to peoples diets.

My best friend is five stone overweight, she barely eats yet gets through three large bottles of coke a day. hence the weight problem.

people need help to change and food to be reasonably priced to do it.

sunday

[Lowrider]

we could all be the good smaritan and help them etc. but why should we be arssed if they cant

[Taekwondo Guy]

who says they all want to be helped?

some like being fat... big is beautiful after all



Steel girl ^^^^

[Caferacer]

Originally Posted by nyMelissa

there is a fine line - i'll bet you if some of us go into the Obese Calculator - even thought you could be solid muscle - you may find that your weight puts you in the Obese category,

But i know we are actualyl talking about the Visually fat - the unhealthy looking people who have "done it to themselves"

There are diseases and medications that make people gain weight and the CANNOT HELP IT or starve themselves and make it go away, but the others - that is who we make fun of isn't it?

the people we can make fun of and not feel bad about - are the ones that CAN change but dont have the will or determination to change.

i mean - my friends and i can walk around and pick on really bad fashion mistakes all day - but only cuz we know the person can change if they want to.

Fat people? you can't REALLY know if they are in the category when you "can" make fun of them in good conscience - but its human nature.

we make fun of people cuz it makes US laugh or feel better.

Those calculators assume a certain proportion of BF to muscle. Thats why they don't apply to the guy who is 5'6" and weighs 200lbs ripped up. I am already in the overweight catagory by those, I have been for the past year and a half.

I really want poobs to post in this. He should have an interesting viewpoint on all of this.

[waynaferd]

I gotta good friend who's right around 400 pounds, and makes a point to let me know when he's eating something full off fat and sugar, like pizza, ice cream, fried chicken, or what not, just because he knows I won't even have a small "taste". And he pokes a little fun because I eat salads and such. I just reply "Yup, now look at you and look at me....I can at least walk across the living room without losing my breath". Sure its mean, but works both ways....

And that letter is friggin awesome!!

[elite2]

Originally Posted by waynaferd

I gotta good friend who's right around 400 pounds, and makes a point to let me know when he's eating something full off fat and sugar, like pizza, ice cream, fried chicken, or what not, just because he knows I won't even have a small "taste". And he pokes a little fun because I eat salads and such. I just reply "Yup, now look at you and look at me....I can at least walk across the living room without losing my breath". Sure its mean, but works both ways....

And that letter is friggin awesome!!

now thats a true freindship lol

[bbskupak]

Originally Posted by CraigC

I don't think 1000 cals is going to make many people fat, try 4000.

haha yah i meant 10,000 my bad

[Arch Enemy]

Some are prejudiced against the obese . . . and some are too coddling.

More than the obese who make excuses and don't try hard enough, I can't stand the enablers.

It's the people who, upon hearing criticism for those who can't (or won't) take care of themselves, immediately flock to the enabling statements like a savior for their determination against prejudice itself, such as "They can't help it, there are diseases that make people fat," or, "You try being overweight, it's hard," that get under my skin the most.

Both of those statements are true . . . to a point. An underwhelming 1% of the world population, at best, had diseases prior to their obesity that were responsible for their weight gain, and for those who don't, reaching a state where their obesity becomes a crippling disorder that bridges the gap between healthy and suffering from diabetes and heart disease is surprisingly reversible.

Yes, being healthy takes effort, and yes, it does cost money. Vitamins and supplaments are not free, gyms ARE businesses aiming to make money, and running shoes, good ones, are not being handed out like condoms at health clinics.

Obesity is more than just a personal condition - it is an economic one and, dare I say it, a spiritual malady upon the face of entire peoples who could be bettter off without it. In the United States, fatter food is cheaper food and easier food, in comparison with healthier foods that are more costly and more difficult to prepare. This plays into the economic problem of obesity because corporations do what they do best: make money, regardless of the product.

And enablers allow this because they believe people should be able to buy what they want if it hurts nobody but themselves.

Yes, well, we know obesity does more than hurt one person now, don't we?

It is true that people should be allowed to buy what they want if it hurts nobody but themselves - but that doesn't mean that we should stand idly by and not say anything. A free market flourishes only in a country of free expression. And damn it, if the enablers get to piss and moan, then so do I.

People make bad choices because of two spheres of influence.

Apathy and Ignorance.

The enablers . . . well . . . ENABLE both of them to exist.

Being that I endorse the more liberal way of doing business, I can only suggest social change to end the reign of personal, economic and spiritual death that is the thriving machine of corporate greed fueled by an environment filled with people who don't care because it doesn't get in their immediate way.

We can all do our part.

I don't buy unhealthy food in the same way I don't buy Axe or Tag deodorants: they are degrading human beings in general, and not worthy of my dollar, and I won'y propogate such an image.

I do my best to get friends and acquaintices started, but like I always say, I can only hand them the key. They have to open the door. Some people want to stand in the way of that door for fear that someone might get upset.

And the worst thing we can possibly do is hurt somebody's feelings in the name of expressing our ideas.

[Caferacer]

Originally Posted by Arch Enemy

Obesity is more than just a personal condition - it is an economic one and, dare I say it, a spiritual malady upon the face of entire peoples who could be bettter off without it. In the United States, fatter food is cheaper food and easier food, in comparison with healthier foods that are more costly and more difficult to prepare. This plays into the economic problem of obesity because corporations do what they do best: make money, regardless of the product.

And enablers allow this because they believe people should be able to buy what they want if it hurts nobody but themselves.

I didn't read all your post as I am trying to get to sleep, sorry. I go over the rest but I wanted to post about this.

I know of people that get overweight from doing this, and I see it in my work all the time. There is only 15-20minutes to eat if you want to get something done, and there is an Arby's 5minutes from my work. But a lot of times there are healthy options in the same place there is utter crap to eat. There are salads, or at the very least, better burgers to eat on the dollar menu then a big mac with a biggie drink.

The corporations are just doing what they do best, making money. Hell if I owned McD's I wouldn't stop producing big mac's, but I would laugh at every obese person blaming me for getting them fat. Blaming other people for your problems is just what you, and the article I posted, refer to as enablers. I don't care if you have hypothyroidism, there is NO reason for you to be 350lbs and blame McD's for it.

Hell, some of these people will lose weight just by going on a diet. Not even exercising. Just by EATING less (Say 2500k instead of 6k) their bodies will start dropping weight. At that point it's not your body's fault you are fat, it's utter YOURS.

Yea, I got off on a little bit of a rant here, but if it isn't clear I do have some prejudices against people looking for those enablers and willing to blame others.

I didn't realize it, but there is one of those guys at the Gold's I go to. Guy must be 300lbs of mostly fat. 13in arms prolly, and I respect him because he is in there making an effort at least. Thats takes some guts. Hell, I started going to a gym being a skinny track kid, half the battle for me was done, I don't even know if I would have the will to do it starting as an overweight kid.

[$UPERM@N]

Originally Posted by Taekwondo Guy

who says they all want to be helped?

some like being fat... big is beautiful after all



Steel girl ^^^^

I wonder if she's available friday night?

[Arch Enemy]

Originally Posted by Caferacer

I didn't read all your post as I am trying to get to sleep, sorry. I go over the rest but I wanted to post about this.

I know of people that get overweight from doing this, and I see it in my work all the time. There is only 15-20minutes to eat if you want to get something done, and there is an Arby's 5minutes from my work. But a lot of times there are healthy options in the same place there is utter crap to eat. There are salads, or at the very least, better burgers to eat on the dollar menu then a big mac with a biggie drink.

The corporations are just doing what they do best, making money. Hell if I owned McD's I wouldn't stop producing big mac's, but I would laugh at every obese person blaming me for getting them fat. Blaming other people for your problems is just what you, and the article I posted, refer to as enablers. I don't care if you have hypothyroidism, there is NO reason for you to be 350lbs and blame McD's for it.

Hell, some of these people will lose weight just by going on a diet. Not even exercising. Just by EATING less (Say 2500k instead of 6k) their bodies will start dropping weight. At that point it's not your body's fault you are fat, it's utter YOURS.

Yea, I got off on a little bit of a rant here, but if it isn't clear I do have some prejudices against people looking for those enablers and willing to blame others.

I didn't realize it, but there is one of those guys at the Gold's I go to. Guy must be 300lbs of mostly fat. 13in arms prolly, and I respect him because he is in there making an effort at least. Thats takes some guts. Hell, I started going to a gym being a skinny track kid, half the battle for me was done, I don't even know if I would have the will to do it starting as an overweight kid.

I scanned over the article . . . heard it all before, and it's great that the guy vented, but harsh words like that aren't going to change anybody. I know, having been there. It was obvious that the intended audience wasn't people who might benefit from it.

The best thing about people at your job not taking care of themselves? They are financially capable. I always make the point that physical fitness and general health and well-being is not free, so to the people who can afford it but who have come to embrace the twin demons of Apathy and Ignorance:

No excuse. Not a damn one.

[dannyboy9]

Well I haven't read anyone else's response but in response to Caferacer's post:

I don't have anything against fat people. That's like saying do you have anything against black people? Of course not. I don't judge people by their skin color or weight, etc. but I do believe each class and type of person has their dirt.

For example, black people have n!ggers just as white people have trailer trash or rednecks or whatever you call them. Hispanics have spics or to be more specific, Cubans are rafters and the list goes on and on. Whether this is violation of the rules on this board or not, I honestly could care less because we all know it's true. Every race has their dirt, they're slime.

This is the way I see it, I could meet a black person and he may be a nice guy/girl. IMO, the instance they do me wrong or disgrace themselves as a person and backstab me or something of that nature, they automatically become a n!gger to me. Just because one fat person screws me over doesn't mean I'm going to hate all fat people. I have some real good ass friends that are overweight. Fat is a very vulgar word believe it or not and I try to stay away from it.

Being fat is just like being skinny, except I'm sure everyone rather be skinny than be fat because we all know that no matter how you look @ it, it's easier to gain weight than to shed fat.