Will America start WW lll ??

[Taekwondo Guy]

research "the domino theory"

America had developed her Domino Theory. This was the creation of John Foster Dulles, America's Secretary of State. He believed that if one country was allowed to fall to communism, the country next to it would be the next to tumble just as when one domino falls the rest go with it if they are connected. In view of the fear in America of communism spreading throughout the world, the thought of Vietnam starting this process of turning to communism and then it spreading was unacceptable.

[hmmm]

Originally Posted by Fuse

Vietnam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident

I have to point out that prior to the full scale escalation of the Vietnam War, the US was in full support of the French colonization of Vietname. Seems a little hypocritical doesn't it? And even after the French left, they instated a puppet capitalist Roman-Catholic government, even though a majority of the population was buddhist, This too was supported by the US i believe (though i might be wrong on that).


Mexico:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_War

"Mere days before Polk intended to make his request to Congress, he received word that Mexican forces had crossed the Rio Grande and killed eleven American soldiers. On April 24, 1846, Mexican cavalry had attacked and captured one of the American detachments near the Rio Grande. After the border clash, battles between Mexican and American troops followed at Palo Alto and Resaca de la Palma.

Polk now made this the casus belli, and in a message to Congress on 11 May 1846 stated that Mexico had "invaded our territory and shed American blood upon the American soil." He did not point out that the territory in question was disputed, and did not unequivocally belong to the United States. "


BTW, getting someone else to fight for you is a smart thing? maybe, but to encourage terrorism in nicaragua by illegally funding the contra-revolutionaries after it was banned? that just sounds dodgy.

In short, when it came to vietnam, N. korea, russia/afghanistan, the US was intervening only to protect capitalism. If you're gonna say that was a right move, then thats a whole different topic, I won't go into left/right arguments here, this is starting to stray a lil.

Im still waiting for the wikipedia links for the proof of America starting the vietnam war and WW2.

[sonicbum]

Originally Posted by Patrick_Bateman

Will America start WWIII ??

not sure, but I am confident we will end it!!!





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[krenalor]

Originally Posted by hmmm

Im still waiting for the wikipedia links for the proof of America starting the vietnam war and WW2.

Germany actually started WW2 when that peace freak Neville Chamberlain, with his idiotic "apeasement" allowed Germany to reunite with Austria. Then Germany then took control of Czechoslovakia giving the Germans a large amount of tanks. The Germans used Czechoslovakian tanks to a large degree early in the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupat...Czechoslovakia

Japan attacked our ally China, which last I checked is an act of war itself. We were free to declare war on them at anytime after that. The American public was against the war, Pearl Harbor finally officially drug us into the conflict.
http://www.cnd.org/njmassacre/

These people deserved two nukes.

[Fuse]

Originally Posted by hmmm

Im still waiting for the wikipedia links for the proof of America starting the vietnam war and WW2.

Vietnam was a civil war. American involvement wasn't necessary, they still went in anyways and made it seem like they were attacked (loook at the vietnam link, it was known as the Gulf of Tonkin accident whereby the USS Maddox was supposedly attack on while in international waters)

As for WW2, i never said the US started it (Thanks for putting words in my mouth), If you read what i wrote, you'd realize i was saying that the US was already taking war preperations on Japan prior to the bombing of pearl harbour, such as cutting off trade to dampen Japan's war efforts.

Originally Posted by krenalor

Germany actually started WW2 when that peace freak Neville Chamberlain, with his idiotic "apeasement" allowed Germany to reunite with Austria. Then Germany then took control of Czechoslovakia giving the Germans a large amount of tanks. The Germans used Czechoslovakian tanks to a large degree early in the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupat...Czechoslovakia

Japan attacked our ally China, which last I checked is an act of war itself. We were free to declare war on them at anytime after that. The American public was against the war, Pearl Harbor finally officially drug us into the conflict.
http://www.cnd.org/njmassacre/

Germany's move to take german speaking parts of Czechoslovakia was a ploy to provoke the british and french, as they didn't want to anger the US into joining into the War. However, the european powers just let have hitler have his way as they tried to appear sympathetic to avoid a 2nd world war. That is, until they invaded a neutral country that Britain swore to protect under a treaty (can't recall treaty name at this point of time).

As for the Japanese attacking China, they've been at war since the... mid 1930's, If so, why didn't the US intervene earlier? And perhaps you could enlighten me a little on the China-US Alliance (Pre WW2 of course) as I'm not familiar with it (In fact I'm pretty sure the US was against China in during the era of the Taiping and Boxer rebellions at the fall of the Qing dynasty and that they were never allies until WW2 was in full swing).

Furthermore, prior to the mukden war, Manchuria was under Russian influence (till the japanese came), you don't see the US doing anything about that either do you?

Boxer Rebellion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_rebellion

"Troops from all nations engaged in plunder, looting and rape. German troops in particular were criticized for their enthusiasm in carrying out Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany's July 27 order to "make the name German remembered in China for a thousand years so that no Chinaman will ever again dare to even squint at a German". This speech, in which Wilhelm invoked the memory of the 5th-century Huns, gave rise to the British derogatory name "Hun" for their German enemy during World War I."

Sino-Japanese War:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukden_Incident

Originally Posted by krenalor

These people deserved two nukes.

[edited for flaming]. Pearl Harbour was a naval base, the US knew it was getting involved in a war. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were civillian areas, there's so much protest about 9/11 and all the people who died, and I'm pretty sure you're against it too, and yet you have the audacity to say 100-200 thousand civillians deserved to die/ end up scarred for life?? not even 5thousand americans died on 9/11!

I personally met an A-bomb survivor from hiroshima last year who came to visit my school and talk about the experience and how he is anti-nuke and hopes to spread the word on the subject. People like you disrespect the kind of things that survivors like him go through and their purpose for living (spreading the word on anti nuclear proliferation).

[hmmm]

Originally Posted by Fuse

Vietnam was a civil war. American involvement wasn't necessary, they still went in anyways and made it seem like they were attacked (loook at the vietnam link, it was known as the Gulf of Tonkin accident whereby the USS Maddox was supposedly attack on while in international waters)

As for WW2, i never said the US started it (Thanks for putting words in my mouth), If you read what i wrote, you'd realize i was saying that the US was already taking war preperations on Japan prior to the bombing of pearl harbour, such as cutting off trade to dampen Japan's war efforts.





Germany's move to take german speaking parts of Czechoslovakia was a ploy to provoke the british and french, as they didn't want to anger the US into joining into the War. However, the european powers just let have hitler have his way as they tried to appear sympathetic to avoid a 2nd world war. That is, until they invaded a neutral country that Britain swore to protect under a treaty (can't recall treaty name at this point of time).

As for the Japanese attacking China, they've been at war since the... mid 1930's, If so, why didn't the US intervene earlier? And perhaps you could enlighten me a little on the China-US Alliance (Pre WW2 of course) as I'm not familiar with it (In fact I'm pretty sure the US was against China in during the era of the Taiping and Boxer rebellions at the fall of the Qing dynasty and that they were never allies until WW2 was in full swing).

Furthermore, prior to the mukden war, Manchuria was under Russian influence (till the japanese came), you don't see the US doing anything about that either do you?

Boxer Rebellion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_rebellion

"Troops from all nations engaged in plunder, looting and rape. German troops in particular were criticized for their enthusiasm in carrying out Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany's July 27 order to "make the name German remembered in China for a thousand years so that no Chinaman will ever again dare to even squint at a German". This speech, in which Wilhelm invoked the memory of the 5th-century Huns, gave rise to the British derogatory name "Hun" for their German enemy during World War I."

Sino-Japanese War:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukden_Incident





[edited for flaming]. Pearl Harbour was a naval base, the US knew it was getting involved in a war. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were civillian areas, there's so much protest about 9/11 and all the people who died, and I'm pretty sure you're against it too, and yet you have the audacity to say 100-200 thousand civillians deserved to die/ end up scarred for life?? not even 5thousand americans died on 9/11!

I personally met an A-bomb survivor from hiroshima last year who came to visit my school and talk about the experience and how he is anti-nuke and hopes to spread the word on the subject. People like you disrespect the kind of things that survivors like him go through and their purpose for living (spreading the word on anti nuclear proliferation).

Of Course the US would take Pre-war steps to protect the country when most of the world is at war, wouldnt you? Whats your problem with that? Obviously the US knew which side it was on and decided to help the allies with not actually being in the war.

You quote from wikipedia, which is a user based website. This means anyone can do their own research and post whatever theory they have.

Vietnam was a civil war, which the US did not start. They got involved to stop the spread of communisum, whether you think that is necessary or not has no relevence.