Steroid/Hormone Use- Good or Bad?

[MaggioMuscle]

Did you all see the episode of 30days on TV recently of a man who went to an "anti-aging" doctor for HGH and Testosterone? He killed all his sperm and started developing liver damage within three weeks.

[TRAZ]

God...here we go again...with the media bashing steroids....if only both sides had their say.

Originally Posted by TRAZ

God...here we go again...with the media bashing steroids....if only both sides had their say.

LMFAO

[BUFFLURP]

since I am against steroids, i dont really care what tv says about them. So, they aren't suicide in a syringe like they say it is, but i do support the fact that they do promote not doing steroids/hormones/drugs even if they give biased info. The reason for this is kids are stupid enough to take them, and we all know that teenagers + steroids is a bad combination. If you are into your mid twenties, steroids are potentially far less harmful than if you are say 17 or 18. And most the people who are abusing steroids are teenagers.

[TRAZ]

Steroids, like anything else, should be up to the person as to whether or not they should be able to take them...Not the government. I am all for legalization of just about everything. It is your body and you should have the freedom to put into it whatever you want regardless of how stupid it may be and the idiots in Washington shouldn't be able to restrict personal freedom like that. According to the logic that our country follows now skydiving should be made illegal. It is dangerous and can kill you very easily.....but can be safe with the proper education, training, and experience. Steroids are the same way.

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by TRAZ

Steroids, like anything else, should be up to the person as to whether or not they should be able to take them...Not the government. I am all for legalization of just about everything. It is your body and you should have the freedom to put into it whatever you want regardless of how stupid it may be and the idiots in Washington shouldn't be able to restrict personal freedom like that. According to the logic that our country follows now skydiving should be made illegal. It is dangerous and can kill you very easily.....but can be safe with the proper education, training, and experience. Steroids are the same way.

The reason the government doesnt let us freely have certain drugs is for our own good, and not because they are being control freaks. If the government really beleived that steroids were absoluteley harmless, and even strcitly beneficial to health, such as an aspirin or IB, there would be no problem having them on the shelves of every store in america, but they can be harmful, so they are protecting the public really.

I know you feel it should be a personal choice, but it is a bad choice to make, hence the goverment makes them illegal.

Same thing goes for cocaine. According to you, people should be able to chose whether they use cocaine or not. Cocaine is obviously a bad choice to make, so the government makes it illegal. It's totally parallel to steroids.

[TRAZ]

Good points...hard to change my mind though .

Some arguments will never have an end...

[Vegita]

Ok i could be jumping the gun here but what about cigerrets and alchol...
If I am not wrong they can also kill you.
But still they dont make that illegal anywhere in the world.
It could be my personal opinion but more people die from alchol and cigerrete use in a year then people using steroids or "cocaine"...
I am not saying that it is right or wrong...
Yes using it in the wrong way can harm you...
yes over using it can harm you...
But what about the people that do not abuse it.
What about the people that know how to use it.
Just my personal opinion.
Has any one seen the spesial that HBO did on steriod use?

[skibumm233]

Steroids will never be legal in the US just as smoking will never be outlawed. Hopefully it becomes so hard for people to smoke that it will go away, but dont see that in the near future.

Everything is bad for you if not used in the proper way. Food itself is bad for you if you eat too much. Water (the life blood of the human body) will kill you if you drink too much of it. I realize these are extreame cases but just trying to make a point.

[Vegita]

True but my problem comes in with..
People give their jugment and make up their minds about anything before they even know what it is all about...
Is thee any place where I can attach the HBO steroid clip?
Dont know if you guys have seen it but it opend my eyes to a few things.

[mywetnightmares]

The reason steroids are illegal isn't for our own good, it's so politicians can look like they give a damn about the children. Lemme give you a short little history lesson.

The farthest back that I've heard of steroids being used is in WW2 by the Nazis, they gave them to their soldiers to keep strength and aggression up. They also did experiments on them with the Jews. Thus far steroids aren't looking too good are they, well wait there's more. Then the soviet block countries started using them institutionally. So not only were they associated with Nazis and the holocaust, now they were also the tool of choice of the communists at the Olympics. Now we can't have the communists winning all those gold medals, they must be cheating. The only thing they were doing that other countries weren't widely doing was doping, so suddenly doping becomes cheating. Fast forward to 1988, Ben johnson just won the 100 m over America's golden child, Carl Lewis. How could this happen it's not fair that the U.S. lost to a Canadian. Oh wait, Johnson was using winny so he gets disqualified, yet another nail in the coffin of steroids. So far the Nazis, the communists, and even the Canadians have used steroids against us. The last straw goes when Lyle Alzado develops brain cancer and blames it on steroids. He tells the world that if you take steroids you'll get cancer and die. The fact that his personal physician has made the statement that there's no reason to believe his cancer was caused by steroids doesn't matter to anyone. So now the politicians wanna look good so they draft the Steroid Control Act of 1990. They eventually pass it into law despite the testimony of the DEA, the AMA, and the Department of Health and Human Services. All of those organizations testified in front of congress that steroids should not become scheduled drugs, but does congress listen? No of course not, they know better than a bunch of experienced doctors and law enforcement officers.

So That basically brings us to where we are now, steroids are illegal not because they're dangerous, but because it gives politicians a chance to look pretty for parents, like they're actually protecting the children.
It's kind of ridiculous though because the percentage of steroid users that are children is a single digit number, I think it's somewhere in the range of 6%. The other 94% of adults using them are punished because politicians need a chance to look good. If they really wanted to protect the public then maybe they'd outlaw smoking, drinking, football, driving a car, or playing with fireworks. All those things cause more injuries or deaths per year than steroids, but they're not illegal. Have you ever heard of someone becoming a quadriplegic from popping a few DBol? What about blowing his arm off from a shot of sust? Ooh I know, have you ever heard of someone driving late at night and running over a pedestrian at a crosswalk because the tren made them do it? Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Vegita]

That is waht I ma talking about....
Thankyou verymuch mywetnightmares......
I only could found the words to make it sound that good...
If only the little guys in there grey and white sites can see the world from the eyes of a normal person...
Someone that watns to better is life...
And being up tight and think they no everything.....

[MaggioMuscle]

Forget about the legal issues. I am more interested in hearing what you all think about people using them. For example:

When I go the gym, I see this dude socializing and tipping back his bottle of water every five seconds, doing the occasional rep at 5% the intensity anyone else in the gym does them at. Yet he is build like a brick sh*t house. I may be going out on a limb here, but I think he's jucing. That makes me feel angry because I have to workout ten times harder and longer to get there. But besides that, I resent his laziness. I resent him taking the easy road. I also think he must be stupid for fu*king up his body.

Yet, I have given a lot of thought to the advantages of doing them. I was conflicted about it for a long time. I have decided that my integrity and my health are more important to me than my vanity. If my son ever asks me, Dad, did you ever do steroids?, I want to be able to truthfully say, No and if you do I will give you the WWF smackdown I want to be an example of good health and healthy choices.

A friend did them under his doctors watchful eye. My friend looked awesome. I thought, if I were going to do them, I would be just as careful. As I learned, all the doc could do is telling him when and/or how much he was messing up his body. In the end, he stopped doing them. Maybe b/c he was lactating, maybe b/c he grew breasts, maybe b/c he decided it just was not worth it.

I ran into him recently. He looks like a fat red neck! He lost all his looks. He said his testosterone is still sub-normal after a whole year. He is on meds to suppress estrogen. I had made up my mind before learning about all this. Wished I could have looked like him, but I am glad I chose my primary motivation for bodybuilding and cross training to be health and not vanity.

[mywetnightmares]

The examples that you gave are all examples of people that should not be using gear.

What I wanna know is, why do you care about the guy that's using steroids that looks better than you? Are you competing with him? Does he hurt your ego because he's built? Why do you care if he looks good?

As to your son using gear lemme ask you this would you rather have your son using steroids at 21 or living the college-party-every-weekend lifestyle? Would you rather he used steroids or played a contact sport like football? If you're really saying you wouldn't want him to use steroids because of his health then you'd pretty much hve to tell him not to drive, play sports (I guess golf is ok), drink, or do most other fun things. Everything has a risk, and the risk associated with responsible steroid use is MUCH lower than you think.

[skibumm233]

Originally Posted by MaggioMuscle

When I go the gym, I see this dude socializing and tipping back his bottle of water every five seconds, doing the occasional rep at 5% the intensity anyone else in the gym does them at. Yet he is build like a brick sh*t house. I may be going out on a limb here, but I think he's jucing. That makes me feel angry because I have to workout ten times harder and longer to get there. But besides that, I resent his laziness. I resent him taking the easy road. I also think he must be stupid for fu*king up his body.

Maybe you should stop worrying about other people and worry about yourself. I can guarantee you that he could care less if it makes you mad.

When you compare yourself to others you open yourself up for criticism.

The fact is people are judged for using, but it really is not any different then you taking supplements. The only difference is that someone said that steroids are bad for you, which over use is bad, but if you are drinking 500g of protein a day, your going to fark up your liver among other things.

[Vegita]

I have never taken it in my life...
I might in the future....
I think there is a good and bad in everything...
I all depends on how you do it...
Yes I work my ars of to get where I want to be, witch is the berst way..
There is atleast 25people on our gym the use gear...
They dont slack, they ar not lazy, they eat right and life healthy...
They dont abuse gear...They use to improve their personal image...
I believe if done under the right cercumstaces and for the right reasons, not over doing it there is nothing wrong with it...
That is what I think...

[t_dot_porkchop]

worry about yourself....and i will worry about myself.

it does not matter to you if i am on gear, just like gay marriage doesnt really affect anyone else. its always these righteous motherfvckers that want to tell other people what is right and wrong.

usually people with bad views of gear are either ignorant because they base their total opinion of them on one guy from back home or they are just dont understand how they work. hormones/steroids keep your sister from getting pregnant; they also help your mom deal with menopause. they help AIDS patients keep weight on, help diabetics by controlling blood sugar, help small kids grow, etc, etc, etc. their uses are endless. why is the line drawn in the sand for muscle building?

and the comment about aspirin being healthy is ignorant. go down 2 bottles and call me from the hospital....also OTC meds are the reason for millions liver failures, not anabolic steroid use.

also your friend is either a retard or a liar. no real doctor would EVER give a prescription for steroids to build muscle in a perfectly healthy male. what did he take?

check your facts, get educated, then make a personal decision. and the thing about personal decisions is just that: keep it to yourself.

[skibumm233]

Originally Posted by t_dot_porkchop

worry about yourself....and i will worry about myself.

it does not matter to you if i am on gear, just like gay marriage doesnt really affect anyone else. its always these righteous motherfvckers that want to tell other people what is right and wrong.

usually people with bad views of gear are either ignorant because they base their total opinion of them on one guy from back home or they are just dont understand how they work. hormones/steroids keep your sister from getting pregnant; they also help your mom deal with menopause. they help AIDS patients keep weight on, help diabetics by controlling blood sugar, help small kids grow, etc, etc, etc. their uses are endless. why is the line drawn in the sand for muscle building?

and the comment about aspirin being healthy is ignorant. go down 2 bottles and call me from the hospital....also OTC meds are the reason for millions liver failures, not anabolic steroid use.

also your friend is either a retard or a liar. no real doctor would EVER give a prescription for steroids to build muscle in a perfectly healthy male. what did he take?

check your facts, get educated, then make a personal decision. and the thing about personal decisions is just that: keep it to yourself.

Very well written, AMEN!

[vassille]

Originally Posted by mywetnightmares

The reason steroids are illegal isn't for our own good, it's so politicians can look like they give a damn about the children. Lemme give you a short little history lesson.

The farthest back that I've heard of steroids being used is in WW2 by the Nazis, they gave them to their soldiers to keep strength and aggression up. They also did experiments on them with the Jews. Thus far steroids aren't looking too good are they, well wait there's more. Then the soviet block countries started using them institutionally. So not only were they associated with Nazis and the holocaust, now they were also the tool of choice of the communists at the Olympics. Now we can't have the communists winning all those gold medals, they must be cheating. The only thing they were doing that other countries weren't widely doing was doping, so suddenly doping becomes cheating. Fast forward to 1988, Ben johnson just won the 100 m over America's golden child, Carl Lewis. How could this happen it's not fair that the U.S. lost to a Canadian. Oh wait, Johnson was using winny so he gets disqualified, yet another nail in the coffin of steroids. So far the Nazis, the communists, and even the Canadians have used steroids against us. The last straw goes when Lyle Alzado develops brain cancer and blames it on steroids. He tells the world that if you take steroids you'll get cancer and die. The fact that his personal physician has made the statement that there's no reason to believe his cancer was caused by steroids doesn't matter to anyone. So now the politicians wanna look good so they draft the Steroid Control Act of 1990. They eventually pass it into law despite the testimony of the DEA, the AMA, and the Department of Health and Human Services. All of those organizations testified in front of congress that steroids should not become scheduled drugs, but does congress listen? No of course not, they know better than a bunch of experienced doctors and law enforcement officers.

So That basically brings us to where we are now, steroids are illegal not because they're dangerous, but because it gives politicians a chance to look pretty for parents, like they're actually protecting the children.
It's kind of ridiculous though because the percentage of steroid users that are children is a single digit number, I think it's somewhere in the range of 6%. The other 94% of adults using them are punished because politicians need a chance to look good. If they really wanted to protect the public then maybe they'd outlaw smoking, drinking, football, driving a car, or playing with fireworks. All those things cause more injuries or deaths per year than steroids, but they're not illegal. Have you ever heard of someone becoming a quadriplegic from popping a few DBol? What about blowing his arm off from a shot of sust? Ooh I know, have you ever heard of someone driving late at night and running over a pedestrian at a crosswalk because the tren made them do it? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Amin!