americans and evolution

[ams33]

well there arose a debate today between me and my professor over the theory of evolution , he called that those who dont belive in evolution are not smart and ...bad stuff i dont wanna mention here ...he was so sarcastic because a recent poll showed that 40% of americans dont belive in evolution......as for me i belive in it but up into an extent ....while that professo was actually deniying the presence of god by saying that everything happened by chance , electrical shock then proteins then cells then organisms.then and then finally humans and life as such .......this is something irreaslistic and idiot in my opinion , i d rather call it : adaptation rather than chance.............what do u think ?????????

[BUFFLURP]

I find the theory of evolution to be bogus.

The Darwin theory, which coincides, is just as ridiculous.




But, people can give you evidence for either Creationism or Evolutionism, you really have to decide which one makes more sense to you.

Creationism does sound more of a story tale, realistically. But, the faithful will beleive that it is absoluteley possible, since it was done by the power of God.

Evolution seems too far-fetched, realistically. From single celled micro-organsims, to eventually homo sapiens? i cant see that happening.


This can get really deep, and is complicated, but personaly i find evolutionism ridiculous.

the 2 big questions:


If evolutionism is correct, where did these particles of matter come from that became a single celled micro-organism?

If creationism is true, where did God come from? God can't have always existed, there had to be a point of begining.

The mysteries of the universe and origin of matter will remain unanswered forever. I personally beleive that we will all be revealed the mysteries of the universe in heaven.

[Sam_2005]

This is something that can be talked about forever. I am no scientist but I am also somewhat of an atheist. To say 'God' created the earth is unquantified and I believe is the 'easy excuse'. Saying that the various theories are far fetched to say the least. Cosmology, darwin, other theories are all circumstantial.
I however I just cannot agree with the theistical view..... I'll stop before I open a whole can of worms on the existance of God

[mywetnightmares]

My personal belief is that God got things rolling, and kinda gave some guidance here and there, but for the most part I believe in evolution.

[RRAdam]

Evolution and religion can and do coexist. To deny evolution is silly. it DOES happen, whether you like it or not - however, this does not disprove the existence of God anyway shape or form... God cannot be tested scientifically, so therefore cannot be proven or disproven. Many of the famous evolutionists were religious. Its the fact that monkeys may have evolved from man is the problem most people have with - and this hasnt been proven yet either.

[ams33]

Originally Posted by RRAdam

Evolution and religion can and do coexist. To deny evolution is silly. it DOES happen, whether you like it or not - however, this does not disprove the existence of God anyway shape or form... God cannot be tested scientifically, so therefore cannot be proven or disproven. Many of the famous evolutionists were religious. Its the fact that monkeys may have evolved from man is the problem most people have with - and this hasnt been proven yet either.

well some dont stop on evolution being the transition from apes to human , they re saying that there was sigle celled organisms that became finally humans , u may ask how those singe celled arose they ll tell u : electrical shock happened and proteins were produced , from proteins everything developped , again by chance .....i find this silly ......actually for me , the accurate and calculated procedures that happen around us is just an evidence of a supreme creator who designed them , u cant say that a car was assembeled alone although the materials of it do exist .....it s the mechanism that we dont know about and here i can fit adaptation and not evolution thats how i like to call it

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by RRAdam

Evolution and religion can and do coexist. To deny evolution is silly. it DOES happen, whether you like it or not - however, this does not disprove the existence of God anyway shape or form... God cannot be tested scientifically, so therefore cannot be proven or disproven. Many of the famous evolutionists were religious. Its the fact that monkeys may have evolved from man is the problem most people have with - and this hasnt been proven yet either.

Exactly.

[TRAZ]

I could never believe that life just "happened" on its own...I am not sure exactly how things began, but they did not just randomly occurr...I believe in God, but I also know that some evolution takes place. Even on a large scale. I believe that God created "original" species that then evolved. For instance, the original "Canine". From this original canine evolved dogs, bears, hyenas, coyotes, wolves, etc. However, no fish ever turned into a bird or monkey into a human. If that were true we would find a ton of crazy half-monkey people fossils or birds with gills...Organisms evolve, but they simply do not turn into other organisms or we would be able to see a gradient of change in the fossils. Instead when evolution fossils are presented they show one type of skeleton and then another type of skeleton no transitional ones....there would have to be mutant/ transitional type animals' skeletons to prove it (to me)...of which I have never seen or heard of...

Of course these are my opinions and feel free to object to them, but you won't change my mind...I don't really think I will be following this thread too closely as it will just be another argument thread where no one wins....not to mention it will be the same boring rhetoric over and over and over....Bah!

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by ams33

he called that those who dont belive in evolution are not smart and ...bad stuff i dont wanna mention here ...he was so sarcastic because a recent poll showed that 40% of americans dont belive in evolution.....What do you think???????

Go kick your teacher's ass. That's what I think. LOL.

[krenalor]

Originally Posted by ams33

well there arose a debate today between me and my professor over the theory of evolution , he called that those who dont belive in evolution are not smart and ...bad stuff i dont wanna mention here ...he was so sarcastic because a recent poll showed that 40% of americans dont belive in evolution......as for me i belive in it but up into an extent ....while that professo was actually deniying the presence of god by saying that everything happened by chance , electrical shock then proteins then cells then organisms.then and then finally humans and life as such .......this is something irreaslistic and idiot in my opinion , i d rather call it : adaptation rather than chance.............what do u think ?????????

Haha, he is the idiot, who can say God didn't invent evolution, a little nudge here and there is all it would take. I think morons say that "poof people were here", evolution explains how God did the whole thing. Science and Religion are not at odds, science gets theologist help with history. The bible is pretty darn accurate in historical content.

[Aspirin]

First of all you have micro and macro evolution conceptualized. Not too many groups reject micro evolution evolution which is simply change in small increments within species. Young earth creationists (YEC) would be one group that often does, however.

Second, not all scientists believe in macro evolution (also called general evolution, neo-darwinism, and naturalism) or that it has occurred. There is a growing number of scientists, including some prestigious ones, that have rejected macro evolution.

Third, what the poster above me referred to is called theistic evolution. Theistic evolution takes many forms but the general theme is that God used the natural evolutionary processes to bring about his desired results concerning life on planet Earth, culminating in the appearance of human beings. Advocates of this position typically propose that God intervened directly at the beginning of the creative process (origin of the universe) but afterward worked solely through natural processes to give rise to humanity. Some who hold this position suggest that God may have intervened to create the first life form and/or to give a living creature (possibly a hominid or bipedal primate) a soul or spirit, thus ensuring the appearance of the first man. Many who hold this position interpret the early chapters of Genesis as figurative, archetypal, or mythological in nature. There are excellent arguments against theistic evolution.

[ams33]

Originally Posted by BUFFLURP

Go kick your teacher's ass. That's what I think. LOL.

heheh , i may do it , but when the semester ends ...right now i need grades ....he s not the type of person u can argue with ..cuz he ll make fun of u in front of the whole class ...and he knows more ...so he ll appear as backing up with facts ....anyway i dont belive 100% what he said ....and if he wanna call who belive in god as stupid ...well ,being a stupid in that way is not a shame

[Chauncey11]

Originally Posted by RRAdam

Evolution and religion can and do coexist. To deny evolution is silly. it DOES happen, whether you like it or not - however, this does not disprove the existence of God anyway shape or form... God cannot be tested scientifically, so therefore cannot be proven or disproven. Many of the famous evolutionists were religious. Its the fact that monkeys may have evolved from man is the problem most people have with - and this hasnt been proven yet either.

That's what I'm saying. Creationism and Evolution are both theories except I will admit that Evolution has more scientific proof behind it.
I do believe in both and don't understand why it has to be one way or the other to some people.

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by Chauncey11

That's what I'm saying. Creationism and Evolution are both theories except I will admit that Evolution has more scientific proof behind it.
I do believe in both and don't understand why it has to be one way or the other to some people.

'Proof' is a very flexible word. There is no such thing as proof in science as far as the Evolutionary or Creationist standpoints are concerned. There is only evidence.

If we were to discuss which has more evidence, it really is pretty equal. Plus, the evidence is looked at from both sides. Any one person can decide whether it is valid or not. It's all individual opinion based on information obtained from a scientific "theory" or discovery. Some say there is evidence of a great flood. Some say there isn't.

[Aspirin]

To a great extent, Darwin's theory of evolution was prompted by the inadequacies of creationism as understood in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. Having proved that species are not the immutable, optimally designed creatures that creationists purported them to be, Darwin concluded that creationism was false. In Darwin's day, creationists assumed that God would never allow any species to become extinct. Then there was the problem of suffering and death. The revelations of extinct species in the fossil record seemed, therefore, to disprove creation. Darwin's theory of evolution, in part, was an attempt to explain how God could have created a world with suffering and death. Darwin's explanation is ultimately at odds with the biblical view of God as Creator and providential Caretaker of His world.

Macro evolutionary theory started to come undone in the 90's despite some of the brightest minds on the globe doing their utmost to stop it. Things are changing, though how this occuring is not understood well among the populace at large, as new models built squarely upon science (reflecting a true harmony between scripture and science) advance towards replacing the secular evolutionary ones in truth (though the US justice system still allows no other belief system/theory than neo-darwinism to be taught) in lower education. Historically, science has seen many changes and redefinitions and reinventions that result in paradigm shifts and overthrows. That is continuing. Each scientific paradigm thought it had the answer and was eventually replaced by another scientific paradigm (read Thomas Kuhn's "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions [2nd edition]" for further understanding of how this works. The current macro evolutionary paradigm shall eventually suffer the same fate of the paradigms that preceded it.

[sonicbum]

Originally Posted by mywetnightmares

My personal belief is that God got things rolling, and kinda gave some guidance here and there, but for the most part I believe in evolution.

i dont agree with you !BUT! atleast that makes logical since.... our sofisticated world is ABSOLUSTLEY impossible without a superior being/designer of SOME sort....

[Chauncey11]

Originally Posted by BUFFLURP

'Proof' is a very flexible word. There is no such thing as proof in science as far as the Evolutionary or Creationist standpoints are concerned. There is only evidence.

If we were to discuss which has more evidence, it really is pretty equal. Plus, the evidence is looked at from both sides. Any one person can decide whether it is valid or not. It's all individual opinion based on information obtained from a scientific "theory" or discovery. Some say there is evidence of a great flood. Some say there isn't.

Corresct, I should'nt used the word "Proof" but anyway, I have'nt seen any type of "evidence" that shows Creationism as being more legit as Evolution but I still believe in Creationism. That's the way I was raised and I am not open-minded enough to accept Evolution as the only way of our existence.

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by Chauncey11

Corresct, I should'nt used the word "Proof" but anyway, I have'nt seen any type of "evidence" that shows Creationism as being more legit as Evolution but I still believe in Creationism. That's the way I was raised and I am not open-minded enough to accept Evolution as the only way of our existence.

I think it was nite hawk who had posted up a whole bunch of scientific "evidence" to support creationism a while ago.

[Primevci]

how long you guys gonna beat this dead horse?

[sonicbum]

Originally Posted by Primevci

how long you guys gonna beat this dead horse?

until it turns into a monkey....