americans and evolution

[Patrick_Bateman]

Originally Posted by sonicbum

LoL, I'm sorry, but I will never be convinced a human eye just came into existence through "random" mutations, with no designer, or atleast some sort of force directing these mutations!!!!

I firmly believe in creation, not even just for religious reasons, but just because we are waaaaaaay to designed to to just happen over any amount of time, sorry..


And for the record, I consider survival of the fittest/natural selection to be different from MACRO-evolution. To me, natural selection would be like killing all the tall people with blonde hair, and then the next few generations are all shorter and have dark hair, suprise suprise.....but, there is no new "species"????


I used to be like, "I just can't wait until they find that perfect peice of evidence that proves that humans lived in the same layers that evolutionists thought impossible", but now I realize no matter what fossils/evidence anyone finds, both sides will explain away... There will always be "Arch-enemies" like yourself spitting the same citations over and over, and numerous bible-thumpers screaming verses they use as "proof" and this will go on and on till the end of time........

If the human eye is too complex for you to believe it came into existance by random" mutations" then imagine how complex the designer/God is ( so how did he come to be???) .....your logic is 0 intelect and all religion.

[sonicbum]

Originally Posted by Patrick_Bateman

If the human eye is too complex for you to believe it came into existance by random" mutations" then imagine how complex the designer/God is ( so how did he come to be???) .....your logic is 0 intelect and all religion.

LoL, expand YOUR mind, I have no idea where this "designer" comes from, i just know he must exist... As soon as some brainiac biologist comes up with an idea about where all this matter comes from, THEN you have a point, a small one at that....

...reminds me of a joke....


God and Satan or arguing about who has the power to create. Satan proclames he can create life. He picks up some dirt and starts molding it and God says, "Hey, get your own dirt!!!"

lol, i liked it...

[Patrick_Bateman]

Originally Posted by sonicbum

LoL, expand YOUR mind, I have no idea where this "designer" comes from, i just know he must exist... As soon as some brainiac biologist comes up with an idea about where all this matter comes from, THEN you have a point, a small one at that....
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If you believe in a God then fine, but to make fun of science and then have us believe Santa made the world in 7 days is a poor argument .

[Beatin Guts]

no matter how long this debate goes on, there is now correct answer! Nobody is correct.

[ams33]

wow , i ddnt know this will lead to a big debate , anyway ,,,,for both sides i say :

1st) evolution theory that say that random mutations occured and things started out of nothing is still very far from becoming a real fact ,bec it s contradicted by many scientifical facts take this example : the estimated time for apes to evolve to humans acco to evolution is bigger than the estimated time of the earth itself , it was published by a geologist that i forgot his name but the book is called: not from apes

2nd)we cannot belive that living org are strict and are the same as those who lived millions of years ago , organisms do adapt and change their morphology and physiology(acclimatization), but one thing is for sure , the dont go from one species to another or from single cells to humans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hmmm]

Sonic

The points you make are so ridiculous. You will never believe in evolution. I could show you proof of evolution and you still would not believe.

No point in arguing.

[schmichael]

Originally Posted by Patrick_Bateman

If the human eye is too complex for you to believe it came into existance by random" mutations" then imagine how complex the designer/God is ( so how did he come to be???) .....your logic is 0 intelect and all religion.

i have two points to make about this statement.

firstly, you have never seen any of the claimed mutations required to form the human eye (no one has), therefore you accept that it happened by faith. evolution is your religion. you can't prove it by observable, repeatable experiments but you believe it is true anyway.

secondly, by a simple process of logical steps i will prove that the universe needed a designer but God needed no designer.

1. everything which has a beginning has a cause.
2. the universe has a beginning.
3. therefore the universe has a cause.

to prove me wrong all you need to do refute either point 1 or point 2.

on the other hand

1. God has no beginning.
2. therefore God doesn't need a cause.

[Patrick_Bateman]

Originally Posted by schmichael

i have two points to make about this statement.

firstly, you have never seen any of the claimed mutations required to form the human eye (no one has), therefore you accept that it happened by faith. evolution is your religion. you can't prove it by observable, repeatable experiments but you believe it is true anyway.

secondly, by a simple process of logical steps i will prove that the universe needed a designer but God needed no designer.

1. everything which has a beginning has a cause.
2. the universe has a beginning.
3. therefore the universe has a cause.

to prove me wrong all you need to do refute either point 1 or point 2.

on the other hand

1. God has no beginning.
2. therefore God doesn't need a cause.

1. everything which has a beginning has a cause. 2. the universe has a beginning. First off can you prove the universe has/had a beginning......looks like you are picking and choosing the science that supports your opinions....and that is as silly as it is sad.


I agree with this one... 1. God has no beginning. because their is no God

[schmichael]

okay, i must point out that i said you needed to refute either point one or point two to prove me wrong, which you have failed to do.

but to address your point about the universe having a beginning consider this.

from the Laws of Thermodynamics, the most fundamental laws of the physical sciences.

• 1st Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
• 2nd Law: The amount of energy available for work is running out, or entropy is increasing to a maximum.

If the total amount of mass-energy is limited, and the amount of usable energy is decreasing, then the universe cannot have existed forever, otherwise it would already have exhausted all usable energy—the ‘heat death’ of the universe. For example, all radioactive atoms would have decayed, every part of the universe would be the same temperature, and no further work would be possible. So the obvious corollary is that the universe began a finite time ago with a lot of usable energy, and is now running down.

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by Patrick_Bateman

1. everything which has a beginning has a cause. 2. the universe has a beginning. First off can you prove the universe has/had a beginning......looks like you are picking and choosing the science that supports your opinions....and that is as silly as it is sad.


I agree with this one... 1. God has no beginning. because their is no God

"Wisdom to man is foolishnes to God." Science of man is so incredibly inferior to the wisdom and knowledge of God, it is not even funny. Man thinks they are so smart. Pride of their own self leads them to stray from the truth of God.


Athiests are just people who are mad at God. Whether caused by loss of a loved one or a tough life. Did they ever seek help from God? or just ask, "Why God? why?" They chose to ignore god and try and do it on their own because of the pride of their hearts, lovers of themselves, and covetous. Just as the apostle Paul foretold 2000 years ago.

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by schmichael

okay, i must point out that i said you needed to refute either point one or point two to prove me wrong, which you have failed to do.

but to address your point about the universe having a beginning consider this.

from the Laws of Thermodynamics, the most fundamental laws of the physical sciences.

• 1st Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
• 2nd Law: The amount of energy available for work is running out, or entropy is increasing to a maximum.

If the total amount of mass-energy is limited, and the amount of usable energy is decreasing, then the universe cannot have existed forever, otherwise it would already have exhausted all usable energy—the ‘heat death’ of the universe. For example, all radioactive atoms would have decayed, every part of the universe would be the same temperature, and no further work would be possible. So the obvious corollary is that the universe began a finite time ago with a lot of usable energy, and is now running down.

excellent points.

Also let me restate what someone already said. Science cannot prove God.

But, there does exist something that can prove God. It is called the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit witnesses to those who ask in faith about the truth of God. The witness from that is undeniable. You may think this is BS, but it is not. It is real. I have experience it first hand more than once. The Holy Spirit has witnessed to me that God lives. And i do the same. God does live. He exists. He is our creator, and our Father. Without him we would not exist. Satan blinds man to be prideful and not recognize God. satan tells people that he himself doesnt exist to blind man that he may lead them to his own kingdom in hell. To deny this and mock this is because the pride of your own heart, and the lack of love toward God. Humble yourselves and ask God in prayer to find out for yourself. You only have to gain more than you can comprehend.

[sonicbum]

Originally Posted by Patrick_Bateman

1. everything which has a beginning has a cause. 2. the universe has a beginning. First off can you prove the universe has/had a beginning......looks like you are picking and choosing the science that supports your opinions....and that is as silly as it is sad.


I agree with this one... 1. God has no beginning. because their is no God

out of curiosity, do you believe in ANY higher power at all?? Any driving force??? Any intelligent life besides on our planet???? Or do you believe that we humans are the most advanced/complex beings in existance???? Just wondering..

[Patrick_Bateman]

Originally Posted by BUFFLURP

"Wisdom to man is foolishnes to God." Science of man is so incredibly inferior to the wisdom and knowledge of God, it is not even funny. Man thinks they are so smart. Pride of their own self leads them to stray from the truth of God.


Athiests are just people who are mad at God. Whether caused by loss of a loved one or a tough life. Did they ever seek help from God? or just ask, "Why God? why?" They chose to ignore god and try and do it on their own because of the pride of their hearts, lovers of themselves, and covetous. Just as the apostle Paul foretold 2000 years ago.

Your post is more proof God and English teachers do not exist.

[Patrick_Bateman]

Originally Posted by sonicbum

out of curiosity, do you believe in ANY higher power at all?? Any driving force??? Any intelligent life besides on our planet???? Or do you believe that we humans are the most advanced/complex beings in existance???? Just wondering..

I do not believe in a supreme being, nor do I believe there is intelligent life on Earth.

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by Patrick_Bateman

Your post is more proof God and English teachers do not exist.

How so?


Was my grammar bad? This is a chat room and not a collegiate grammatical testing facility.

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by Patrick_Bateman

I do not believe in a supreme being, nor do I believe there is intelligent life on Earth.

You are proof of this. You prove this by your avatar. You admit you have a tiny dick.

[sonicbum]

Originally Posted by Patrick_Bateman

I do not believe in a supreme being, nor do I believe there is intelligent life on Earth.

LoL, but for real?!!?!?

[hmmm]

Originally Posted by BUFFLURP

excellent points.

Also let me restate what someone already said. Science cannot prove God.

But, there does exist something that can prove God. It is called the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit witnesses to those who ask in faith about the truth of God. The witness from that is undeniable. You may think this is BS, but it is not. It is real. I have experience it first hand more than once. The Holy Spirit has witnessed to me that God lives. And i do the same. God does live. He exists. He is our creator, and our Father. Without him we would not exist. Satan blinds man to be prideful and not recognize God. satan tells people that he himself doesnt exist to blind man that he may lead them to his own kingdom in hell. To deny this and mock this is because the pride of your own heart, and the lack of love toward God. Humble yourselves and ask God in prayer to find out for yourself. You only have to gain more than you can comprehend.

thats not proof, maybe to you, but not me or a hell of a lot of other ppl.

[hmmm]

I will believe in heaven when i go there. I like to think its there, but its doubtful.