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02-20-2006, 05:26 AM
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Why muslims do what they do
In light of some of the recent threads in here portraying muslims as barbaric, inhumane, "animals", not worthy of life and so on... because of their actions, I would like to give you a little insight into what may well actually cause such hatred and actions on part of muslims.
Please take a few minutes to read through this letter of a muslim woman captured by US forces in Iraq. There is no doubt on the reliability of this letter as even the US government acknowledged these events. It is a few years old but still worthy of a read. I dont know about you guys but it bought a tear to my eye. Then make your judgements on who is right and wrong. Fatima's Letter. In the name of God, the Merciful, the Mercy-giving. "Say He is God the One; God the Source of everything; Not has He fathered, nor has He been fathered; nor is anything comparable to Him." Qur'an, Surat 112 "al-Ikhlas" I chose this noble Surah from the Book of God because it has the greatest impact on me and on all of you and it strikes a particular kind of awe in the hearts of Believers. My brother Mujahideen in the path of God! What can I say to you? I say to you: our wombs have been filled with the children of fornication by those sons of apes and pigs who raped us. Or I could tell you that they have defaced our bodies, spit in our faces, and tore up the little copies of the Qur'an that hung around our necks? God is greatest! Can you not comprehend our situation? Is it true that you do not know what is happening to us? We are your sisters. God will be calling you to account about this tomorrow. By God, we have not passed one night since we have been in prison without one of the apes and pigs jumping down upon us to rip our bodies apart with his overweening lust. And we are the ones who had guarded our virginity out of fear of God. Fear God! Kill us along with them! Destroy us along with them! Don't leave us here to let them get pleasure from raping us! It will be an act to ennoble the Throne of Almighty God. Fear God regarding us! Leave their tanks and aircraft outside. Come at us here in the prison of Abu Ghurayb. I am your sister in God (Fatimah). They raped me on one day more than nine times. Can you comprehend? Imagine one of your sisters being raped. Why can't you all imagine it, as I am your sister. With me are 13 girls, all unmarried. All have been raped before the eyes and ears of everyone. They won't let us pray. They took our clothes and won't let us get dressed. As I write this letter one of the girls has committed suicide. She was savagely raped. A soldier hit her on her chest and thigh after raping her. He subjected her to unbelievable torture. She beat her head against the wall of the cell until she died, for she couldn't take any more, even though suicide is forbidden in Islam. But I excuse that girl. I have hope that God will forgive her, because He is the Most Merciful of all. Brothers, I tell you again, fear God! Kill us with them so that we might be at peace. Help! Help! Help! WaMu'tasimah!. This letter is ended, but the sufferings of the one who wrote it and the sufferings of her sisters along with her have not ended!!
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02-20-2006, 06:33 AM
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That letter recounts the torture of a muslim women, it does not explain why muslim's do what they do. I could post numerous letters from American POW's during the Vietnam war, the Korean War, WWII, that would not explain why Christian's "do what they do".
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02-20-2006, 06:47 AM
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Think of a deprived muslim man whose land has just been invaded, home has just had a bomb dropped on it "accidently" and now this.
And im just giving this as one example of what fuels the actions of mulims i could give you a hundred more. And the POWs in vietnam?...well nobody asked america to go in.
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02-20-2006, 07:07 AM
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There is no justification for any person to act like a savage, American or Muslim or otherwise. My ancestors had their land taken from them, were raped, murdered, beaten. I'm tired of excuses for savagery, on both ends.
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02-20-2006, 07:11 AM
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02-20-2006, 08:36 AM
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I don't care if you're Christian or Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or Scientologist, whatever, if you sexually assault someone you should be summarily executed. That's probly one of the few crimes I feel that strongly about and it's one of the few crimes that I would have no qualms about going to jail for avenging. If one of my female friends was ever sexually assaulted, I would make damn sure that she was telling the truth and then I'd make my peace with God and take care of it. It's the kind of crime that's inexcusable for anyone.
If any soldier from any country were to rape a woman they should be shot on the spot. The thing is, it happens a lot more among the underdeveloped third world countries than you're making it out to be, it happens much more by the hands of terrorists and their ilk than by coalition soldiers.
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02-20-2006, 08:51 AM
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It's an isolated incident just as the act of terrorism muslims commit. It goes both ways in my opinion, you cant just hate a race by the actions by a small number akin to them. This applies to both muslims and the westerners.
Fact of the matter is, what those soliders did is not representative of the whole west. And what the 7-7 train bombers for example did, is not representative of what all muslims feel.
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02-20-2006, 08:52 AM
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Indeed a savage treatment of Muslim women...No excuse for such foolishness, but I say this to you. It is not the muslims that are doing the beheadings, the tortures and the terror mongering. It is NOT the Muslims who are killing for no apparent reason. It is; however the fanatics: who claim that the old ways are the best way to live life as Muslims. Where progress as human beings are frowned upon. Masking their evil deeds with Muslim beliefs.
Yes, I see the pain that the woman is expressing in her letter to the powers that be...but what she does not know is that there are people: American, British and whoever goes in to help as AID, not army, to the suffering who have been brutally mistreated as well. Yes she got raped: A bad situation. Those people who got murdered and publically mutilated: Not a bad thing? There's two sides to everything: to address only the side that suffers; when both side suffers greatly, is not a good way to open a topic. To be biased and have a preconceived notion that one side is more worthy of "forgiveness" than the other because they did us wrong first: is not a way to validate/justify wrongful acts. I know you know this. Yes rape is wrong but to murder someone because of one member of that race acted foolishly in the past does not make it right. If they say that they fear God/higher being then why murder at all? Why hate? why why why? Its sad that bad things happen to good people but if for one moment someone would just think before acting..These evil things would never ever happen
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02-20-2006, 09:22 AM
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This is proably the only thread in here that I'm actually more or less agreeing with...all of the others were like: I hate muslims, I hate americans, I hate arabs and so on...and that leads to nowhere
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02-20-2006, 10:13 AM
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The Sudan needs help, suppose it would be better to let it continue then maybe stop it? Last edited by krenalor; 02-20-2006 at 10:19 AM.
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02-20-2006, 10:16 AM
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show me where there US government acknowledged these events. i searched the internet and i could not find someone in the US government who acknowledged these events. i really dont think they did but i'll give you a chance to prove me wrong
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02-20-2006, 10:19 AM
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Sorry Awais, but I am an Arab and i call that BS.
Men and women get worse treatment in arab jails than in american jails in Iraq yet I don't see any arabs or muslims *****ing about it. I don't see demonstrations about Syrian prisons, Egyptian prisons, Saudi prisons,...etc. Saddam had a cleric's sister get raped infront of her brother before he killed them both. He and his kids used to rape women left and right just because they could. Show me a single demonstration about it in the arab world. In Syria, Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi, and all other countries. People get torsured on regular basis and some disapear. In Iraq as we speak, police officers were torturing prisoners. In Pakistan, women get gang raped by orders of tribal leaders. I am frankly sick and tired with the ignorant arab and muslim world who are looking for an execuse to blame others for things. Before we can complain about the west, lets clean our backyard first. Anyways, I am on my way to India. I just wanted to add another arab prespective to the same issue.
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02-20-2006, 10:28 AM
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Actually Fadi most true Muslim's despised Saddam, they knew what he was. It's the Arab controlled State media that is the problem.
Heck, it wasn't just true Muslims that despised Saddam, everyone pretty much did. In further news.... VIENNA, Austria - Right-wing British historian David Irving pleaded guilty Monday to denying the Holocaust and was sentenced to three years in prison, even after conceding he wrongly said there were no Nazi gas chambers at the Auschwitz concentration camp Since the President of Iran said the same thing, all Austrians are allowed to kill Iranian's and attack their embassy. I didn't agree with posting the cartoons, or some of South Park's anti-Christian shows, but I think Muslim extremist hurt the cause of Islam further. Last edited by krenalor; 02-20-2006 at 10:42 AM.
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02-20-2006, 10:41 AM
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my true emotions
i know it s long but that s how i honestly feel :
no one knows how i am deppressed , i feel dizziness and god knows , am speachless , honestly , although i was thought that a man should not cry , i cried once when i read the letter of a prisoner in guantanamo ,that prisoner was not a terrorist , nor was charged of any crime , yet they kept him in prison for 4 years telling him everyday that u ll be out the next day , this man is not strange , he is : sami al hajj , the aljazeera chanel camera-man , when i read his letter entitled : what have i done wrong , i began to cry , couldnt stop .........i felt i was suffocating , my dream was to go the states , i used to love the american lifestlyle from all my heart , i was so much into everything american , i belived in their democracy and freedom of opinion , human rights and all those stuff ....i was shocked when i saw the wtc attacks , it was like a piece of me has been attacked , i was so angry at al-qaeda(and still), i hoped that the reaction would be as the label , at least humanistic , i used to belive tha americans tolerate all religions , and dont have a prob with anyone ...that s what i thought and that s why i chosed evertything american , from education to music to ...etc ....i cant till now pass the schock from the opinions i ve heard so far ....anything muslim do , they just say : beheading people is more violent ...like i justified it in the 1st place ....bombing ppl and stuff is terrorism ,....no one here understand what muslims are passing through , bec they live happily with a wealth and everything they want ....palestinians were excuted from their land , killed by tanks and apachis .....and jews from : russia , uk , usa france , poland , were brought just because : they have the right to exist ....israeli tanks are destroying homes and killing childrens since 1948 , palestinians didnt invade no one s land ...they were in their homes till israelis came ....a palestinian young man whom his father was killed , his mother is suffering from disease , they banned him from working ....he had no tanks no one to protect him , so he sacrified by his own body , life after all that is not a human life ...and when he did it ,the whole world who watched his whole family dying a minute ago , the whole world called him simply : a terrorist .....there was no al-qaeda in iraq nor anything related to it in saddams days , but seems americans dont need any excuse : first , they claimed to protect kuwait , and second war to liberate iraqi people ....and when someone who s land was occupied and resist he is again called : a terrorist , they forgot even that in the 1st place it s not their land ....everyday a new story is heard womens raped , prisoners most of them re normal citizens are tortured .....it s just normal ....and when someone is beheaded the whole world gets angry and more hate towrds arabs is generated ...guys be4 u continue let me tell u something : a lot of muslims were beheaded by those groups , in jordan a blast killed muslims ...and in islam the 2nd worst sin is killing a muslim,and killing a muslim with no reason makes u a non-muslim , so how can u tell that those re fanatic muslims they re not muslims in the 1st place although they have muslim names .......russia invaded afghanistan , the afghani suffered , no one cared ....chechenya was invaded and more than half of it s ppl were excuted .....bosnia ....kosova.....india invaded kashmir ...and the circle goes on and on and the victim is always : muslims ....i am not saying that what fanatics do is justifiable am strictly against it , but the world left them no choice ......deprresed , oppressed and stereotyped that s how muslims feel ....oppressed by their rulers whom the US support .....the whole world is against them ...and whenver they wanna talk express their anger they re simply called : terrorist ..........that s why i cry everyday , hurted by what i hear and see , asking when all of this will end , when justice will prevail ....what a world we r living in ......what hopes re left after now , what dreams .....what ?..........
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is that an excuse for not condemning those acts ???...besides , there were demonstrations before , in syria back in the 1980 s when there were a huge demonstration , 80 000 ppl where dead ......besdies the american gov support those rulers , saddam was the puppi of the states .....we are against all those acts , whomever is the source .........but from what i remember it is the US that s calling for human rights and democracy ...not the arab leadres right?
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do u cry when suicide bombers blow up subways in london? or isreal? how about when the wtc was bombed in 1993, did u cry then? did cry when the USS Cole was attacked and 17 american sailors died? what about when Nick Berg and Paul Johnson were beheaded for being american? did u cry then? i seriously doubt it. you only "cry" when muslims are so called victims. SHUT UP! go cry somewhere else. i still say we drop some nukes over there. then you'll really have something to cry about.
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02-20-2006, 11:27 AM
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The difference between us and muslims is that they kill by the name of their god.They treat women like animals because their religion says it's ok.It's fine for men to have multiple wifes but if a women cheats, she gets stones to death.
They call their god Allah.I call it Satan.
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