Why muslims do what they do

[ams33]

Originally Posted by martydup

I agree with some of the stuff you are saying.It's just that when they burn our flags and embassy while screaming death to Europe, they are putting us all in the same boat.So i don't see why we shouldn't put them all in the same boat as well.

u might have been confused a bit , so u think they re putting u and danish in the same boat ?...well not exactly , why for ex the flag of canada was not burn, australia , japan , switzerland ???....cuz they have done nothing to muslims .....the US is ocupying iraq and afghanistan and supporting isreal......so the real story is not just the cartoons : muslims feel like everybody s humiliating them ..so they expressed anger ....it s not just the cartoons it s all those factors and previous years experience ........again , i am not defending or saying my opinion , my opnions are clear : am just saying to u why they are acting like this ........i myself was happy bec the US was against those cartoons , but this doesnt mean am with all the wars they do in the rest of the world........ those countries i gave for ex were not the subject of any attacks ...why : cuz they have done nothing to muslims.....thats what am trying to say ....stop wrong from both sides

[ams33]

Originally Posted by BUFFLURP

yeah, for real. The muslim people should speak out against the terrorists groups and condemn their acts. This hopefully would have an effect upon them. I know for a fact that the main leaders of the Muslims know that the terrorists are causing most of the current problems in the world. Why don't they speak out against them? Is there some religious code against this?

thank god somebody is asking a question .....i agree with u : muslims should speak loud and stand against terrorists , but i have some comments that u may find them helpful knowing why they re not doing it on the big scale :
1st) US citizens didnt speak loud against the practices of the US army in the prisons , spec: guantanamo and abu ghreib
2nd)no one in the world speak loud when palestinian homes are destroyed , cities invaded , childrens are killed .....but when 1 israeli citizen is killed everybody speak loud
3rd)no one speak loud whenever muslims are attacked

again by this i dont mean to justify not speaking loud against terrorists ,just to show u how biased the world is when dealing with muslims and why they do so .....

we get into the practical reasons :

1) do u have islamic channels or medias in the US , or u just see what the media want u to see , for ex an arabic channel was banned in france bec of it s political point of views
2)those media require funding , and i think most muslims prefer to spend their money ion something to eat rather then to found a TV station
3)a lot of muslim representative groups clearly stood against those acts for ex in the USA : CAIR(council on american islamic relation)
4)there is no single representative in the islamic nation that reprsent 90% of muslims , and thats a problem really , bec u dont know with whom to deal


something i should make very clear for all of u : do not think that the majority of muslims are following the teaching of islam exactly and thats the essence of the issue : take for ex the guy that wear a bomb belt in a demons in the UK , he is an accused drug dealer ....drugs in islam are forbidden ........if the muslims were following the teaching of islam exactly , none of those problems could have happened and the best one who knows about what i mean re muslims in here......so , basically , there a exist a lot of those who dont follow islamic teachings ,yet when they do a crime : the accuse is made on islam not on them .......

[ams33]

there is absolutely no religious code against speaking against terrorists : and u should have noticed that i stood against them more than once , i doubt anyone here hate al-qaeda more than me here ....

[krenalor]

Originally Posted by ams33

i will not argue with u , bec all ur posts show : racial hateress , sterotyping , fanaticism , illusion , hallucination and not to mention : grandeur delusions ...........i dont think u have a human heart ....nor u do represent anything put under the category : humanity ........a lot of animals are more pwerful then us , humans , but we exceeded them using our : BRAINS........hope u understand what i am saying

You further decribe how siding with Israel is making Muslims mad, to damn bad! You have no say in who we ally with, and will just continue to suffer fighting a people who have kicked Muslim butt in every war. They used Shermans they got from an Italian junk yard to beat T-55 and T-62 tanks in the 6 day war. Russia supports the Muslims, and the US supports Israel.
Those with BRAINS bet on winners who can take 200 tanks and beat 2000 crewed by cowards that spend all their time trying to figure out how to run.
You are the hater....a product of a totalitarian controlled media, and the West is now striking back in the media war, teaching its young to hate. There will be a conflict and the Arabs will perish unless we all (and that includes Muslims) stop believing the media lies.

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by ams33

1st) US citizens didnt speak loud against the practices of the US army in the prisons , spec: guantanamo and abu ghreib

2nd)no one in the world speak loud when palestinian homes are destroyed , cities invaded , childrens are killed .....but when 1 israeli citizen is killed everybody speak loud

3rd)no one speak loud whenever muslims are attacked

This is true, and I am not trying to sound hypocritical, but what do our choices or failure to act have any bearing on what they do?


So, our troops are doing terrible things in prisons. They are not out bombing public and private buildings causing problems on a larger scale. If there were large groups of people in the U.S. out in the world bombing public places by the day, I for damn sure would be out doing something about it.

[krenalor]

Our troops will also serve prison terms and are subject to the death penalty if the charges are found to be true. The suicide bombers families get money and the suicide bomber is lied to and told he will go to heaven. They are stupid if they believe that last part, hell is filled with terrorists.
I can't even muster any hate for al-qaeda, they are just doomed souls, I pity them instead. Hating anyone is wrong, feel sorry for their eventual fate.

[dd3060]

Originally Posted by ams33

1st) US citizens didnt speak loud against the practices of the US army in the prisons , spec: guantanamo and abu ghreib

2nd)no one in the world speak loud when palestinian homes are destroyed , cities invaded , childrens are killed .....but when 1 israeli citizen is killed everybody speak loud

3rd)no one speak loud whenever muslims are attacked

1st) US citizens wont speak against practices in abu grab or guantanamo because whatever the terrorists are getting there, they deserve worse.

2) when the palestinians stop sending suicide bombers into isreal then palestinian homes wont be destroyed , cities wont be invaded , childrens wont be killed. isreal has every right to respond to attacks.

3) no one speaks loud when muslims are attacked? if you talking about when muslims are attacked by the US then your right no one speaks loud cause no one cares about terrorists and the US has every right to respond to terrorist attacks and/or attacks against our soldiers in Iraq

[krenalor]

Originally Posted by dd3060

1st) US citizens wont speak against practices in abu grab or guantanamo because whatever the terrorists are getting there, they deserve worse.

2) when the palestinians stop sending suicide bombers into isreal then palestinian homes wont be destroyed , cities wont be invaded , childrens wont be killed.

3) no one speaks loud when muslims are attacked? if you talking about when muslims are attacked by the US then your right no one speaks loud cause no one cares about terrorists

1. US citizens do to, abu garab was reported in US news loud enough to insure the troops involved got trials and convictions.
2. I hate to see children pay for stupid stuff moronic parents do, what did the child ever do wrong? They certainly deserve a happy childhood and love.
3. Two wrongs don't make a right, it just makes it wrong still.

[dd3060]

Originally Posted by krenalor

1. US citizens do to, abu garab was reported in US news loud enough to insure the troops involved got trials and convictions.

those soldiers did go to trial and get convicted but they shouldnt have. i have no sympathy for the terrorists being held there

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by dd3060

those soldiers did go to trial and get convicted but they shouldnt have. i have no sympathy for the terrorists being held there

bull $hit. If a soldier is beating the hell out of guys and killing them and making them suffer, they should recieve the same.

Doesn't matter what they are affiliated with. They are already in prison, they are no longer a threat, so they should get tortured? No, what the soldiers did was completely inhumane and inexcusable. They deserve what they got.

[dd3060]

Originally Posted by BUFFLURP

bull $hit. If a soldier is beating the hell out of guys and killing them and making them suffer, they should recieve the same.

Doesn't matter what they are affiliated with. They are already in prison, they are no longer a threat, so they should get tortured? No, what the soldiers did was completely inhumane and inexcusable. They deserve what they got.

sorry but i disagree and i guess we have very different views on what "torture" is.

[dd3060]

Originally Posted by BUFFLURP

bull $hit. If a soldier is beating the hell out of guys and killing them and making them suffer, they should recieve the same.

Doesn't matter what they are affiliated with. They are already in prison, they are no longer a threat, so they should get tortured? No, what the soldiers did was completely inhumane and inexcusable. They deserve what they got.

i dont think any prisoners were killed, were they? correct me cause i could be wrong but i dont think any were killed. if they were, yes that is inexcusable. but i am almost certain none of the soldiers involved were charged with murder. and yes those prisoners deserve to get that hell beat out of them. its just my opinion. agree with it or not. everyone is entitled to their opinion

[krenalor]

Originally Posted by dd3060

sorry but i disagree and i guess we have very different views on what "torture" is.

Just chalk it up as a violation of the Military Code of Justice then, they had orders and failed them. Or maybe they had UNLAWFUL local orders, and the Generals and CIA got away with one. A regular soldier is not allowed to make their own rules or establish US policy.

[dd3060]

Originally Posted by krenalor

Just chalk it up as a violation of the Military Code of Justice then, they had orders and failed them. Or maybe they had UNLAWFUL local orders, and the Generals and CIA got away with one. A regular soldier is not allowed to make their own rules or establish US policy.

i agree with you there. they did violate the USCMJ all i am saying is the prisoners being held there deserved everything they got. i have no sympathy for them

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by dd3060

i dont think any prisoners were killed, were they? correct me cause i could be wrong but i dont think any were killed. if they were, yes that is inexcusable. but i am almost certain none of the soldiers involved were charged with murder. and yes those prisoners deserve to get that hell beat out of them. its just my opinion. agree with it or not. everyone is entitled to their opinion

killed? i guess i wrote that. i got caught up a little bit.

still, the terrorists that are in the prisons are of no threat. The ones that are a threat are already dead(suicide bombers). These men, at one point were a threat, but are now not a threat. As far as I am concerned, anyone who is not a threat shouldnt get the **** kicked out of them. Prison is bad enough.

[dd3060]

Originally Posted by BUFFLURP

killed? i guess i wrote that. i got caught up a little bit.

still, the terrorists that are in the prisons are of no threat. The ones that are a threat are already dead(suicide bombers). These men, at one point were a threat, but are now not a threat. As far as I am concerned, anyone who is not a threat shouldnt get the **** kicked out of them. Prison is bad enough.

all of them had information about future attacks. getting that info is neccessary at all costs. if a bunch of thugs kidnapped your wife and kids (or mother and father) and one of them got caught. you wouldnt want to kick the $hit out of him until he told you where they were? i know i would.

[fumbrunner]

Originally Posted by krenalor

Russia supports the Muslims, and the US supports Israel.

What an idiotic comment. Take a look at the dollar amounts and you'll see that your argument is completely flawed. US supports israel to the tune of BILLIONS a year.

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by dd3060

all of them had information about future attacks. getting that info is neccessary at all costs. if a bunch of thugs kidnapped your wife and kids (or mother and father) and one of them got caught. you wouldnt want to kick the $hit out of him until he told you where they were? i know i would.

As far as I know, they didn't beat them for interrogation purposes. Maybe I am mistaken.

[krenalor]

Originally Posted by fumbrunner

What an idiotic comment. Take a look at the dollar amounts and you'll see that your argument is completely flawed. US supports israel to the tune of BILLIONS a year.

What an idiotic comment, the T-55, T-62, and T-72's are LOCAL munafacture, rofl, yea right they are Russian all the way! The Muslim armies are trained by Russians, and some AA missile sites in the 1973 Yom Kipur War were MANNED by Soviets! In fact the only LOCAL munufacturer is the Merkava, Israeli makes it because they can't get MODERN armor. Armor has won every single Middle east war, Israel lost its ability to use aircraft because of RUSSIAN missile systems in 1973. You ever hear of the Sagger? Creamed Israeli armor in 1973, and the Egyptian set up behind a belt of AA missiles. The US will support whoever they want, the fuggin Arabs can take their hate of the Jews and shove it. Or we can settle it in war, oh, the Arabs tried that and lost every single time. Their soldiers and citizens are cowards, plain and simple. Even when grossly outnumbered the Israeli army has triumphed, so has the US. They will have their governments changed if they screw up, to bad if they whine about it.

[fumbrunner]

Originally Posted by krenalor

What an idiotic comment, the T-55, T-62, and T-72's are LOCAL munafacture, rofl, yea right they are Russian all the way! The Muslim armies are trained by Russians, and some AA missile sites in the 1973 Yom Kipur War were MANNED by Soviets! In fact the only LOCAL munufacturer is the Merkava, Israeli makes it because they can't get MODERN armor. Armor has won every single Middle east war, Israel lost its ability to use aircraft because of RUSSIAN missile systems in 1973. You ever hear of the Sagger? Creamed Israeli armor in 1973, and the Egyptian set up behind a belt of AA missiles. The US will support whoever they want, the fuggin Arabs can take their hate of the Jews and shove it. Or we can settle it in war, oh, the Arabs tried that and lost every single time. Their soldiers and citizens are cowards, plain and simple. Even when grossly outnumbered the Israeli army has triumphed, so has the US. They will have their governments changed if they screw up, to bad if they whine about it.

That still does not contradict what I said. Compared to what the US provides in grants and "forgivable loans" to Israel, Russian support is peanuts. Take a look at these numbers. Are you trying to say that the russians have thrown this much money at the arabs? please.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...o_Israel1.html

Hell, with that much aid, I think I can take on the middle east on my own.