Abortion:

[TrainedMind]

Originally Posted by sweetthing

Well I really said enough about it in another thread, I'm totally against abortions.
But if someone were to have one it should be her decision, its her body, but would be nice that she discusses it with the baby's father also.

Absolutely, sweet!! The father is a support, morally and emotionally, BUT that's it! Ultimately, yes it comes down to her strength as a person.

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by TrainedMind

Absolutely, sweet!! The father is a support, morally and emotionally, BUT that's it! Ultimately, yes it comes down to her strength as a person.

i disagree with abortion, yet I do agree with this that if someone decides to do so, it should be the carrier of the child.

[TrainedMind]

Originally Posted by wnxmaximus

Well, I am kind of torn as well. Because I could understand if a woman was raped how hard it would be to think that this child is the result of such a violent and cruel crime. .

Yes. most people are in the same boat as you: As for me, it's not a choice at all. Life should not be.

Originally Posted by wnxmaximus

Its just heart-breaking to think that men would do that women in the first place

Indeed a cruel way to greet women. Men who does such cruelty should be punished severely and immediately! no room for forgiveness for such foolishness!

Originally Posted by wnxmaximus

What upsets me is when people having willing sex have the attitude that it isnt their fault that the"condom broke" or that the guy thought he "pulled out" in time. Its unfortunate for them, but it is definitely their fault. I mean, sure the condom was supposed to protect them, but it isnt perfect. I know that not alot of people in here agree that you should abstain from sex until marriage, but happen to agree with it.

That's where higher education and parents being more involve with their children bear importance.

Originally Posted by wnxmaximus

What better way is their to protect from an unwanted pregnancy.

I always believe you can NEVER prevent kids from exploring: it's in all of us, curiosity killed the cat. remember? Education paves the way to understanding.

Originally Posted by wnxmaximus

My reasons are because of my faith, but beyond that, I think it makes being with your wife more important if she is the only one you have ever been with.

let me be the first to congratulate you, having such respect for yourself and your future

Originally Posted by wnxmaximus

IT seems that our culure is turning into one of quick fixes. If you are fat, take a diet pill. If you want bigger breasts, have implants. If you want bigger muscles, take roids (some people use them responsibly, and are doing so because they have "peaked" naturally. I completely understand, i am referring to the punks who take them after a year of training because they are impatient.) Our society is all about quick fixes, so why not be able to abort your child if you accidentally get pregnant, it makes sense right. Its just assuring people that whatever they do to screw up, they will have a way to fix it.

Having a choice is great. That's why we no longer wear loin cloths and the caves no longer is our living quarters, because we have a choice. Quick fixes is just as important, having the resources makes everything flow smoothly; Hence, the importance of education

Originally Posted by wnxmaximus

I see that fetus as a life, some dont, I guess that is all opinion. but because I see it as a life, I see abortion as murder, as a life that could of been lived but was cut short by someone who was selfish. Who wasnt willing to sacrifice part of their life to let another life live.

Fetus, zygote, little thingy or whatever anyone may call it: is LIFE. I will accept no substitute.

Originally Posted by wnxmaximus

And as far as rape victims, like i said i am still so torn. The life is still a life, just because it was so violently created, its not the fault of the child.

ABSOLUTELY..I couldn't have said it any better.

Originally Posted by wnxmaximus

At the same time, I can see how that would be so hard emotionally to handle for a female. if only we could prevent rape huh, i guess in a perfect world.

Well that still remains to be seen. It comes from childhood upbringing. When girls/women and boys/Men learn to be strong not just outside but inside as well; we may be close to a perfect world. It so darn frustrating though: If we lived in a perfect world, it's just not challenging any of us.

[TrainedMind]

Originally Posted by TRAZ

Abortion is not to be used as birth control, but I believe women should have the choice. It is a very big decision and if you make the mistake once and decide to have one you need to learn from it and never have to do it again. I know people that have had multiple abortions and that is pretty terrible to me. Think before you act. This is serious stuff, but it should still be legal.

Indeed! for some it has become a way of life..sad but true

[TrainedMind]

Originally Posted by BUFFLURP

Abortion is wrong if you conceived the child through consentiual intercourse. period.

The only exceptions i give to abortion is that if the baby seriously threatens the life of the mother. Other than that, abortion shoud be considered manslaughter and shold recieve penalties of such a crime. I dont know when "lawfully" a baby is considered alive, but from my point of view, a baby recieves it's life and spirit inside the womb of the mother, and is then "alive".

Yep this is where I am torn. If the mother is threatened: That's a problem, I have known somebody, Unfortunately; who gave their life to allow the baby to experience life...Powerful stuff..I don't know if I have such strength.

[TrainedMind]

Whew! A lot of helpful thoughts in this thread. Never expected a great discussion on this matter.....I truly appreciate evreyone's insight on this. I hope that my brother grows a brain someday and quit doing foolish acts...wishful thinking, I know.

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by TrainedMind

Whew! A lot of helpful thoughts in this thread. Never expected a great discussion on this matter.....I truly appreciate evreyone's insight on this. I hope that my brother grows a brain someday and quit doing foolish acts...wishful thinking, I know.

Wow, if my brother did that, i would sureley kick his ass.

[TrainedMind]

Originally Posted by BUFFLURP

Wow, if my brother did that, i would sureley kick his ass.

Yeah I know..he works for me so I put him on an unpaid leave to be with his girl....she needs him desperately and all he can think about is, what? no pay? Yes! dumb a** your fault not mine!! is all I could say after the door hit his butt on the way out.

[John H.]

Originally Posted by TrainedMind

I know you guys will love me for posting this. I know it's a sensitive subject. I hope that no immaturity will arise from this.

I recently uncovered that my little brother aborted his child with his girlfriend, Needless to say I had to kick his butt to oblivion. I feel that it is not his choice but rather it's his girlfriends. I was torn up when I heard that HE made the decision and not her. After all, it's her body right? What do you guys think?

Generally I am opposed to abortion. I think the time to NOT have a child that is unwanted is NOT TO HAVE SEX with someone in the first place - persons so "engaged" MUST ALWAYS CONSIDER that their actions ARE GOING TO CAUSE the conception of another. Only in very extreme circumstances should abortion be allowed. The unborn have their rights as well.

Irnorance and Stupidity in the "bedroom" is wrong.

[fitme]

of course its the females final decision. in my opinion anyway...would NEVER do it anyway...i'm catholic...i do follow most things!

[TrainedMind]

Originally Posted by John H.

Generally I am opposed to abortion. I think the time to NOT have a child that is unwanted is NOT TO HAVE SEX with someone in the first place - persons so "engaged" MUST ALWAYS CONSIDER that their actions ARE GOING TO CAUSE the conception of another. Only in very extreme circumstances should abortion be allowed. The unborn have their rights as well.

Irnorance and Stupidity in the "bedroom" is wrong.

yes indeed..many kids need to be educated of proper engagement...I think parents should be educated as well since they are the first source of information. But I know my parents would never talk about it.

[John H.]

Originally Posted by TrainedMind

yes indeed..many kids need to be educated of proper engagement...I think parents should be educated as well since they are the first source of information. But I know my parents would never talk about it.

I could not AGREE with you more! And it is FACT that so many "parents" know absolutely nothing regarding Sex - they just "act"... And then wonder "how did 'that' happen"!

[mywetnightmares]

I happen to be very pro-life. I was conceived when my mother was right out of high school and at the time I was born my dad was on a commercial fishing boat in Alaska. My mom wanted to go to college and she knew that if she had me it would be very hard if not impossible. She decided to keep me and because of her decision she was never able to get a 4 year degree. My parents eventually did end up geting married and have been married since I was 3 years old. My mother told me about a year or two ago that when I was 3 she asked me if I remembered what it was like before I was born, surprising her I told her it was warm, dark and wet. I don't remember telling her this or even being asked, but I trust that if she says I said it, then I did. For me that's one of the most compelling pieces of evidence that life begins before birth.

They've had to sacrifice for most of their adult lives to raise me well, to send me to a good school, to make sure I was provided for. If they can do it, then I don't see why other people can't balls up and at least carry their child to term and put him/her up for adoption. Give him or her a chance at life.

[tito2888]

abortion is wrong period.....adoption is always an option

[Weecrack]

Heres my 2 cents in this, Abortion should not be legal whatsoeverm Unless the victim was rapped, and was pregnant from a situation like that.

other than that , Theres many wyas to prevent it, to plainly speak, you ****ed up deal with it, to mes sup and have to kill a life that has no say i it is wrong, Carry the baby and put it up for adoption, theres many couples out there that would want a baby but cant have one. And no offesen, to sit there and say its our body we can do want we want and have the choice to do it, yadda yadda yadda, Yeah right Then make Roids legal then =P

[TrainedMind]

Originally Posted by Weecrack

Heres my 2 cents in this, Abortion should not be legal whatsoeverm Unless the victim was rapped, and was pregnant from a situation like that.

other than that , Theres many wyas to prevent it, to plainly speak, you ****ed up deal with it, to mes sup and have to kill a life that has no say i it is wrong, Carry the baby and put it up for adoption, theres many couples out there that would want a baby but cant have one. And no offesen, to sit there and say its our body we can do want we want and have the choice to do it, yadda yadda yadda, Yeah right Then make Roids legal then =P

I don't know about roids being compared to life as having the same bearing in importance but I still think life is worth living and let live.

[Fonz]

anti abortion except with rape

[ams33]

i am strictly against having kids ...i just dont like them...but as for abortion ,it s against religion .....so u cant put a clear cut so as to do it or not .....i think they should do all the possible measures if they dont wanna have kids ...let s hope i wont be in that situation ...bec i hate having kids an in the same time abortion is killing a living soul ........

[BUFFLURP]

Originally Posted by ams33

i am strictly against having kids ...i just dont like them...but as for abortion ,it s against religion .....so u cant put a clear cut so as to do it or not .....i think they should do all the possible measures if they dont wanna have kids ...let s hope i wont be in that situation ...bec i hate having kids an in the same time abortion is killing a living soul ........

Oh, come on, kids are awesome!! Kids are what make life worth living. Them and that hot babe you get hitched with. Yowza!!!!!

[Hitman]

Its a delicate topic...lets not forget that theres people out there that have kids but are totally incapable of taking care of them. They dont deserve having kids, they use drugs, party and the kid ends up in the streets...I personally am not against abortion though.