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Satan was cast out not only because he wanted the glory, but because he wanted to take away the free agency of man. it simply could not work. The bible says that we will inherit all the father has. all means all. his inteligence, his staus as God. The one Go is right. He is our one God and no other God is our God. Father, son. and holy spirit are 3 seperate individual beings. they are not one god that is 3 people. what a weird looking thing hat would be. Whoever thinks that God the father, God the son, and God the spirit are the same person are wrong. We saw that jesus was an immortal being of flesh and bones he bible makes that very clear. If the father and the son are the same, why would jesus pray to th father? it would be pointless. he would be praying to himself? i dont think so. when the scriptures say they are one, it means they are one in purpose. Not 3 persons fused to one god. Why would you assume that? being God means that all things are subject unto you. you are above evrything else. if we inherit God's kingdom, it is all subject unto us. Is jesus a god? yes, he lived perfect and became a form of diety. The spirit, we know little about the father, has a body of flesh with a spirit. assume so, because jesus does and why would the father be different? he is not. jesus has a body of flesh and spirit. The bible makes that clear. Man is created in the image of god. God looks like us too. He has a body. so we know that the father and the son both have bodies of flesh and bone with a spirit. the body is immortal, and has the appearance of the man. We know this because the bible shows us. having them both bodies, you conclude they are seperate beings. That is not hard to figure out. God had to have been created. where did he come from ? he msut have been come from someone with his equal inteligence. We can inherit his inteligence and become Gods too. The whole point of our existence is so that the Father can bless us with the highest gift of being exactly like him. and that is true happiness. Who ever christian that does not beleive that, denies the plan of salvation.
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trying to figure it out will get you know where. The simplest answer is not God has always been there. that doesnt work. Its not all of the sudden BAM and god is there. Sake thing with this earth. Bam, all of the sudden it was there. Ask yourself this: Where did the first particle in the universe come from? Good luck.
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man cant fathom the knowledge of God, never will. Man is created, God never was.. That is basic Christianity 101. We will never be gods. That is the brainwashing of the mormons coming out, sorry to say, but true.
Jesus was always immortal. He came down to earth as a mortal to save mankind. Jesus is the Creator. Read John.
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I know jesus was the creator. Under the direction of the father. Christ did all things under direction of the father. Jesus = jehovah jehovah does not = God the father. If christ was immortal always, he would not have died on the cross. Immortal= incapable of death. Christ sureley died. Brainwashed? thats the problem with Christianity. They have had it wrong for 2000 years. That was the reason for the restoration of the Gospel, which was prophecied of in the new testament, btw, is because christianity had it wrong clear back to the time of the death of the apsotles. you know what, this is stupid, the whole right wrong thing. I dont need to say more about it. read the bible. it clearly shows that God, jesus, and the holy ghost are different. The bible prophecies of a restitution of all things of the gospel. The bible prophecies of the book of mormon. The bible prophecies of the restoration of temple odinances as in the days of king solomon the bible contains ordinances performed in the mormon temple the bible prophecies of the "peculiar people" that will be raised up in he last days as a covenant people. The bible prophecies of a desert being inhabited blossoming as a rose. SLC is a desert. The bible prophecies of the gathering of israel, and the 10 tribes. The bible prophecies of the "peculiar people" restoring true gospel principles that are lost. i cold go on and on. You see, if you read and find out for yourself what the bible tells you vs. what you are taught about us, being biased stereotypes, from your church leaders, you will realize that there is a lot more to it than meets the eye. and dont say we are brainwashed until you understand our origin of beleif.
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where in the bible says that jesus was always immortal? Where does it say that God has always just existed? Where does it say in the bible that Father, son, and holy spirit are the same being? it doesnt.
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not all mormons are good, one of them stole my hat.......
just a random memory
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anywhere in this thread where you guys are using the words "i know" should be replaced with "i believe"
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disagree. knowledge can come from witness by the holy ghost. It gives you undoubtable feelings. cant explain it really. its just as hard as describing what salt tastes like, other than salty.
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Follow James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. or moroni 10:3-5 (book of mormon Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts. 4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. 5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroni%27s_Promise" I know it works. It has worked for me. without a question you can recieve answers to prayer. why the suffering? we dont know. your grandmother may have learned a very crucial lesson by her suffering before leaving. Everyone learns lessons differently, maybe she neeed to suffer to learn it. seems cruel, but for whatever reason it was to benefit her in the long run.
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thast ridiculous. Why did he equate your grandmother to Jesus. He obviouly is not a man of God if he said that your grandmother was suffering for your sins. Jesus already did that. This stuff makes me sad that they have that type of man leading a church. Claiming to be a priest of god, and then saying that the grandmother suffered for her children's sins? that is blasphemy. The BOM scipture means that you pray to heavenly father with the faith that you will recive an answer. do it like this: (Dear) heavenly father, (give thanks for stuff) blessings, house, family (ask for help with stuff) work, school, trials, frustrations, being a better person {(ask for good things) winning the lottery would not be a pure desire. Ask for a manifestation from the holy ghost, or an answer)} in the name of jesus christ, amen speak out loud, not necesarrily loud, but talk. adress him as Father, and not God. Lord is acceptable, bu i prefer to say father. why? because that is who he is. he is our father. he fathered our spirits. fold your arms/lock your hands together is fine and bow your head close your eyes and begin talk to him like he is a best friend use proper language, thee, thou, thy remember, just doing it is a step, but really getting down on your knees and pooring your honest heart out will be a good experience for you. Have faith that he is there. know that he loves you. If you do this for a while, you may not get eactly wht you are looking for, but you will get an answer.
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As for the hair commandment: ever seen a Jew? That's the way the Bible says you should wear your hair.
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And what about the rape law, Bufflurp? When a female Mormon is raped, do you seek to have her marry the man who raped her?
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I'm going to try and keep this civil but i cant make any promises. God tests people and uses them for his divine purpose. Look at some of the people in the bible they lost their family freinds house home livestock ect, and they still repented and turned to God for help. As a result they are now sitting in heaven. Those bible verses that you gave just reinforced what i am saying. Innocent people are tortured to test them and make them turn to God for help. Also the thing with Christianity is its so public, look at the years such as b.c.(before christ) and ad(after desention) both refer directly to the bible and christ.
The bible was written by men through the influence and word of God, of all the books written The Bible is the most historically accurate book of that period. I truely beleive that good and evil and God all exist. The thing with beleivers and non beleivers is the simple fact that they eather repent for their sins or praise a false idol or do not repent for their sins. Just because a person doesnt beleive in God doesnt make the person a bad person. And vise versa. God says that their will be false preachers and deceiving people intended to lure you into darkness and test your faith. WHich brings me back to my first point. God uses us all for a divine purpose. Btw my status is Wisconsin lutheran if you are wondering what religion i am.
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