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all thoughts and feelings come from the brain. a person choses or does not chose via functions of the brain. So, by your theory...if I am hearing you right, since a persons brain is different than that of a "normal" person, they in fact don't have the choice or the ability to chose? That is not a matter of inherent biological factors, it is called free will. Your argument is flawed, almost well thought out, but flawed nonetheless.
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05-10-2005, 04:39 PM
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Are there documented cases of identical twins in which one is gay and the other isn't? That would seem to indicate that it is definitely not genetic or inborn, that it must be a choice.
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05-10-2005, 06:44 PM
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I think its the environment that the person grows up in. Not so much not having a father or whatever but at school.
My brother is gay, we both grew up in the same environment at home but school was much different. When we moved to our house, i was 1 and my brother was 4, we lived next door to two girls which were the same age and we became really good friends with them. When we got to school i still talked to the girl but rarely because i liked talkng to the boys more but my brother was overweight (however hes thin now) at the time and used to get teased at school so much through primary and high school that he just used to stick with the girl next door and her friends. Now he wasn't gay during that time because he used to tell me who he liked and so on and even asked a couple girls out (they were unsuccessful). But i think as time went on its just happened, a school life of hanging around girls and being treated like **** but guys probably made him gay. I truely do not think u are born gay. "there's nothing to say that biological scents (hormones) can be associated the same way" Not entirely true, i saw a program called human instinct and they did all these tests and experiments. One of them was, that they put 6 t-shirts from 6 different women (in which they had been wearing the t-shirt for 2 days until they smelled). Anyways they got one guy to take each shirt out and smell them and rate the smell from 1-10, 10 being a good smell and 1 being the worst. The theory was that the one he chose as being the best smelling one, would be the women whos genes were further (more different) to his, making him more sexually aroused to that women. This was a human instinct because the further away ur genes are the more healthy child you make. So if your husban or wifes stinky shirts smell good to you then you shall have healthy babies. By the way forgot to mention, they did the gene test at the end and found that the one he thought was the best smelling on was the women whos genes were the most different to his. So it actually works. Last edited by Lean_Machine; 05-10-2005 at 06:50 PM. |
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A biological reaction to hormonal scent is not a choice. Thoughts come from the brain, feelings come from the brain, but scents are interpreted by the brain. Associating the scent of a hormone is not the same as associating the scent of a man-made smell. Unless it isbiologically ingrained to interpret a hormonal scent a certain way, there is no choice. Dead bird. Dead, dead bird. "Are there documented cases of identical twins in which one is gay and the other isn't? That would seem to indicate that it is definitely not genetic or inborn, that it must be a choice." There ae no documented cases of this. |
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"Not entirely true, i saw a program called human instinct and they did all these tests and experiments. One of them was, that they put 6 t-shirts from 6 different women (in which they had been wearing the t-shirt for 2 days until they smelled). Anyways they got one guy to take each shirt out and smell them and rate the smell from 1-10, 10 being a good smell and 1 being the worst. The theory was that it was that the one he chose as being the best smelling one, would be the women whos genes were further (more different) to his making the more sexually aroused to that women. This was a human instinct because the further away ur genes are the more healthy child you make. So if your husban or wifes stinky shirts smell good to you then you shall have healthy babies."
. . . okay, Grandpa Simpson. |
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Dude, 'evidence'? Not quite. I've heard a lot of speculation from you guys, but nothing more than speculation. Personal experiences are moot, too. There's no real scientific studies to support the idea that sexual orientation is chosen. I'm just posting scientific findings here.
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Sorry dude, while your latter statements at least made good arguments, I still don't buy it. Just my opinion.
I will regress to the lesser scientific method of thinking. "I am not gay because I like the feel of a nice thick cock down my throat as it blows is load into my stomache....I am gay because my brain is not right" just ain't buying it. Gays are gay because they like other men and love cock, and of course the companionship of another male. In your, albeit article related so not really belonging to you, posts above...if were were talking a completley mental relationship...meaning no sex..fondlin..cuddling..anything physical...just the mental attraction to another male for companionship and love...then maybe I would buy it....but wether or not you enjoy a cock in your ass or sucking another mans love vein is totally choice. |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/ , thats the program. How many studies have been done on this born to be gay theory? Personal experience is not moot. Personal experience accounts for everything in this world. Not everything is tests and research. You are too simple minded to debate this topic. |
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Honestly, who cares if some1 is gay.....as long as they dont' hit on me i'm cool with it 
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GoHard, I am totally with ya, i think this is very funny!! Gave me some entertainment this afternoon. |
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I can assue you both it was meant in jest. I'm about the least religious person I know, and quite frankly I could care less about someone's sexual orientation. I dislike straight people who act fruity just as much as gay people who act fruity.
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I think I'm going to need a team of linquistic analysists to break that bad English open. I'll do my best with what I've got, though. So what you're saying is . . . if I was talking about homosexuals who have deep, emotional feelings for other homosexuals, love, in fact, but did not carry through with those feelings, that you would believe the study? That is the stupidest G0d-damned thing I have ever heard. So feelings homosexual feelings is natural . . . but doing homosexual things in conjunction with homosexual feelings is not? No, I think that's the stupidest G0d-damned thing I've ever heard. So, MM, if sexual orientation is a choice, why don' you go out and find yourself the biggest bear you can and get dirty with him? You can't. You can't MAKE yourself enjoy that. You can't CHOOSE to enjoy that. Either you enjoy it or you don't. If enjoying it is not part of your psychological or biological makeup, you can't. The only scientific way to be sure is to study a person from the time they're born to the time they die. No study has been conducted like that yet, so we have o go off what we have. Anyway, I'm taking this Brain Sex ID thing that Lean posted, it's pretty cool, now I have to measure the length of my fingers. |
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I will say it again,
trancelation: You are too simple minded to debate this subject. Refer to my post. |
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I'm A Sensitive Male That Likes Violent Videogames. How Hot Is That?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/print/science/h.../results.shtml
My personal brain score was 25% in the female range. The average for men who have taken this test is 50% in the male range. The average score women who have taken this test is 50% in the female range. Part 1 Angles This task tested your ability to identify the angle of a line by matching it with its twin. This is a spatial task, which looks at how you picture space. Your score: 15 out of 20 Average score for men: 16.4 Average score for women: 14.7 What does your result suggest? If you scored 0 - 12: You have more of a female brain. Scientists believe that people with a female brain find it more difficult to judge the slope of a line because they're not wired for spatial tasks. In past studies, 65 per cent of people who scored in this range were women. If you scored 13 - 17: You found this test neither hard nor easy. This suggests your brain has male and female traits when it comes to spatial ability. If you scored 18 - 20: You have more of a male brain. On average, men outperform women in this task and those with more mathematical knowledge tend to score quite high as well. In past studies, 60 per cent of the people in this range were men. Interestingly, men's testosterone levels fluctuate through the seasons and studies have shown that men's scores are lower in the spring, when their testosterone levels are at their lowest. Do our cave dwelling ancestors offer us any clues about why men and women score differently on this task? Find out more. Spot the difference This task tested your ability to identify which objects changed position Your score: 50% Average score for men: 42% Average score for women: 57% What does your score suggest? If you scored between 1 - 33%: You may have more of a male brain. Scientists say men tend to under perform in this task. The corpus callosum, the part of the brain that links the right and left hemispheres, is a fifth larger in women. This means women can process visual and other signals at the same time more easily than men. There is also a theory that oestrogen levels in women give them an added advantage in spatial memory. If you scored between 34 - 66%: You may have a balanced female-male brain. If you scored between 67 - 100%: Those with a female-type brain generally score in this range. Your ability to remember where objects are may serve as an advantage to you when you're trying to find your way around places. You're more capable of recalling landmarks to get from one place to another. Part 2 Hands You said your LEFT thumb was on top when you clasped your hands together. Right thumb on top: This suggests the left half of your brain is dominant. Many studies have tried to establish whether there is a relationship between handedness and brain dominance. Some scientists believe that if you are left brain dominant, you would be more verbal and analytical. Left thumb on top: This suggests the right half of your brain is dominant. Some studies theorise that as a right brain dominant person, you may excel in visual, spatial and intuitive processes. However, these theories are debatable and leave much to be said about the small percentage of people who are ambidextrous. Part 3 Emotions and Systems This task looked at whether you prefer to empathise or systemise. Empathy Your empathy score is: 16 out of 20 Average score for men: 4 - 12 Average score for women: 8 - 15 What does your result suggest? Empathisers are better at accurately judging other people's emotions and responding appropriately. If you scored 15 and above, you are very empathic and would be an ideal person to comfort people in a time of crisis. Women in general are better at empathising. Systemising Your systemising score is: 16 out of 20 Average score for men: 8 - 16 Average score for women: 3 - 12 What does your result suggest? Systemisers prefer to investigate how systems work. A system can be a road map, flat pack furniture, or a mathematical equation, anything that follows a set of rules. A score of 15 and above suggests you're good at analysing or building systems. Men in general are better at systemising. Scientists are keen to learn more about people who score high or low on both tests. They want to find out whether or not empathising and systemising are linked. Is a possible to make yourself more empathic? Some scientists claim that our empathy and systemising abilities can be traced all the way back to prehistoric times. Find out more. Eyes This task tested your ability to judge people's emotions. Your score: 5 out of 10 Average score: 6 - 9 What does your result suggest? If you scored 0 - 3: Do you think you're good at judging how another person is feeling? Your score suggests this doesn't come to you quite so naturally. If you scored 4 - 6: Your result suggests you have a balanced female-male brain and find it neither easy nor difficult to judge people's emotions. If you scored 7 - 10: Your result suggests you are a good empathiser, sensitive to other people's emotions. Women generally fall into this category. Professor Baron-Cohen at the University of Cambridge says that people usually perform better than they expect to on this test. Men often think a person's eyes are sending signals of desire when that's not the case at all. Find out more. Part 4 Fingers We asked for the measurements of your ring and index finger. Your ratio came to: Right Hand: 0.97 Left Hand: 1.01 Average ratio for men: .96 Average ratio for women: 1.00 It's thought that your ratio is governed by the amount of testosterone you were exposed to in your mother's womb. The ratio of the length of your index finger to the length of your ring finger is set for life by as early as three months after conception. Even during puberty, when we experience intensive hormonal changes, the ratio stays the same. Men generally have a ring finger that is longer than their index finger, which gives them a lower ratio than women, whose ring and index fingers are usually of equal length. Studies have found that men and women with lots of brothers generally have more masculine finger ratios. Find out what other things scientists think our ratios may tell us. Part 5 Faces This task looked at how you rate the attractiveness of a series of faces. The images you looked at were digitally altered to create slight differences in masculinity. Your choices suggest you prefer more masculine faces. Highly masculinised male faces possess more extreme testosterone markers such as a long, broad and lower jaw, as well as more pronounced brow ridges and cheekbones. Interestingly, women's preferences are said to vary across the menstrual phase. A more masculine face is preferred during the 9 days prior to ovulation, when conception is most likely. A typical 'attractive' female face possesses features such as a shorter, narrower, lower jaw, fuller lips and larger eyes than an average face. Are you surprised at what researchers think they can learn from your answers? Find out more. Part 6 3D shapes This task tested your ability to mentally rotate 3D shapes. Your score: 8 out of 12 Average score for men: 8.4 Average score for women: 6.4 What does your result suggest? If you scored 0 - 6: Do you find yourself having to physically rotate a map to point in the direction in which you're travelling? This might explain why you scored in the lower range in the 3D shapes test. Twice as many women as men score in this category. Previous studies suggest that those with a female-type brain or with an arts background fall into this range. If you scored 7 - 9: In past studies, 50 per cent of the people who scored in this range were women and 50 per cent were men. If you scored 10 - 12: Are you an engineer or do you have a science background? People with these skills tend to score in this range. Past studies have concluded that people in this range have a more male brain. Nearly a third of men who took this test got full marks, whereas less than 10 per cent of women managed the same. Find out why. Words This task looked at your verbal fluency. You associated 19 word(s) with GREY and you named 7 word(s) that mean happy. We are assuming that all the words you entered are correct. Scientists will be analysing your results in more detail. Average score: 6 - 10 words What do your results suggest? If you produced 1 - 5 words: You are more of the strong, silent type with a male brain. You probably find it easier to express yourself in non-verbal ways, preferring action rather than words. If you produced 6 - 10 words: Most people in this range have a female-type brain. Women are said to use both sides of the brain when doing verbal tasks while men mainly use their left side. Studies have shown that girls develop vocabulary faster than boys. This difference in brain power is caused by levels of pre-natal testosterone. Find out more . Ultimatum This task asked you how you would divide money. If someone offered you £50, you said you would demand £20. On average, people offer 35 to 40% of the pot. Sex differences are small in this task. An offer of more than 40 per cent of the pot (ie £20) is more typically female and an offer of less than 35 per cent of the pot (ie £17.50) is more typically male. Scientists believe that people with lower testosterone levels tend to take fewer risks so they are probably more willing to keep less for themselves. Those with higher testosterone levels tend to drive a harder bargain and are less compromising. Men's testosterone levels fluctuate over the seasons and are at their lowest levels during the springtime. This is said to influence their bargaining power. Find out more about the role of testosterone. |
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I have an idea, we'll conduct our own study. Trancelation you can be the lab rat, go put some cock up ur ass, in ur mouth and anywhere else it feels good for you then come back and tell us if your gay or not. * farts in ur mouth* |
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.......... i got a female bro wtf. But im certantly not gay. Or act like a girl. Actually i think this test is right on because i cant park worth a **** and girls cant either.
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