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And by the way, its very easy to hate bush and the war, but support the troops. I have had 2 friends go to iraq, both in the army, and i couldn't want anything more than to see the troops all stay safe and come home as soon as possible, but they are have a job to do, and thats all it is, some support that job, some disagree with it, but either way, they have to do it, or face some serious consequences. the ones who are torturing people or killing innocents, they deserve to be punished, thats not right at all, but that is a totally different story.
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it s funny how many americans are using the word terrorist : everyone who disagree with u , call him terrorist .............i said it million and millions of times but seems nobody wants to listen : am gainst al-qaeda and all the attacks on the US , ....but it seems some have a trouble realizing that not all muslims are al qaeda and stuff ......it s funny how some of u argue here , i wish i can see u typing on the keyboard , i think some smashed some keyboards already ...well i cant argue with someone who is so extremist and get s angry very fast ......am done with this thread also ...pointless they seem to me
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ok you want some examples. i'm sure after you read these you'll still keep drinking your liberal kool aid but i'll show you some facts anyway. Dem Talking Point No. 1: BUSH STOLE THE 2000 ELECTION here is an actual bin laden quote (talking about bush senior) "He was bright in putting his sons as governors in states and he didn't forget to transfer his experience from rulers of our region to Florida to falsify elections to benefit from it in critical times." Dem Talking Point No. 2: BUSH MISLED AMERICA and here is a bin laden quote "Although we are ushering the fourth year after 9/11, Bush is still exercising confusion and misleading you and not telling you the true reason" Dem Talking Point No. 3: BUSH WASTED TIME ON 9/11 BY STAYING WITH CHILDREN READING IN A CLASSROOM bin laden quote "We never knew that the commander in chief of the American armed forces would leave 50,000 of his people in the two towers to face those events by themselves when they were in the most urgent need of their leader. He was more interested in listening to the child's story about the goat rather than worry about what was happening to the towers" Dem Talking Point No. 4: BUSH IS A FASCIST bin laden quote "What happened was that he was impressed by the monarchies and the military regimes, and he was jealous of them staying in power for tens of years, embezzling the public money without any accountability. And he moved the tyranny and suppression of freedom to his own country, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the disguise of fighting terrorism." Dem Talking Point No. 5: THE BUSH FAMILY IS TOO CLOSE TO SAUDI ROYALS bin laden quote "The resemblance started when [former President George H.W.] Bush, the father, visited the area, when some of our own were impressed by America and were hoping that the visits would affect and influence our countries" Dem Talking Point No. 6: AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY IS TO BLAME (if we didnt support isreal) bin laden quote "After the injustice was so much and we saw transgressions and the coalition between Americans and the Israelis against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it occurred to my mind that we deal with the towers. And these special events that directly and personally affected me go back to 1982 and what happened when America gave permission for Israel to invade Lebanon. And assistance was given by the American Sixth Fleet." if you want more i'll give you more but i'm pretty bored blinding you with facts right now. I know liberals hide from facts like they were the plague. maybe they werent word for word but it seems to me bin laden is definetly listening to the democrats and repeating what they say.. And yes real amercians are leading us right now. sorry that you liberals and all the terrorists in the world were hoping John Kerry won but real americans didnt want a traitor for president. here is some facts about kerry that you liberals either dont know or just ignore because he is a screaming liberal: As VVAW leader, Lt. Kerry met with North Vietnamese Communists and South Vietnamese Communists (Viet Cong) in Paris. After returning to the United States, Lt. Kerry advocated Viet Cong leader Madam Binh's so-called "Peace Proposal". Kerry's acts were in direct violation of the UCMJ, the U.S. Code, and the U.S. Constitution. on April 22, 1971 kerry said his is testimony to congress, "My feeling, Senator, is undoubtedly this Congress, and I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but I do not believe that this Congress will, in fact, end the war as we would like to, which is immediately and unilaterally and, therefore, if I were to speak I would say we would set a date and the date obviously would be the earliest possible date. But I would like to say, in answering that, that I do not believe it is necessary to stall any longer. I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned." that is a violation of Violation of 18 US CODE 953 Private Correspondence with Foreign Governments "Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects. " you wanted examples there ya go. careful what you wish for you just might get it Last edited by dd3060; 02-19-2006 at 08:40 AM.
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Thats the best you can do?
So you put some words in quotation marks and claim that bin laden said it. I don't see any actual sources there. Even if he did say it, good, sounds to me like he isn't as dumb as all you good 'ole republican boys think them dang terrorists is. Now to argue your "dem talking points".... 1. obviously bush didn't steal the election, the supreme court said so. We won't believe that, but its not going to change, so, thats not really a big issue for us any more. 2. Bush did mislead America. where did you miss the fact that we went from invading iraq because of wmd's to invading iraq to take a bad man out of power because its what we should do? Bush lied his way into a war....ya, i know he was given some bad info, so i can't blame him 100%, but instead of saying that he was wrong, it was all those other people who were actually at fault, then he subtly changed our whole reason for invading the country. And if you haven't noticed, we are still in that war, so somebody lying their way into a war we are still fighting, is still pretty prevelant to me. 3. bush did waste time on 9/11. no doubt about it, he didn't know what to do, i don't think anyone could have known exactly what to do, but he just froze. He is the president of the United States and he couldn't think of one thing to do, but sit and read with some kids some more. 4. when the hell has anyone ever blatantly called bush a fascist? No democrat has ever uddered words like your bin laden "quote". 5. The bush family is a little too close to the saudi royals. People of power should not be that good of friends. But i can't say it has caused anything bad to happen, so i don't ***** about it, and i haven't heard anyone else make a huge deal over it. 6. American foreign policy is somewhat to blame. Since when is it the job of the US to go around being the "hero" for all these other countries. We earned our own damn freedom and they can do the same. Ya, sure, we can help a little, but that doesn't justify invading a country. How exactly do we hide from the facts? at least we aren't twisting and manipulating them to get into a war. How do you call Kerry a traitor? At least we went over there and fought and then came back with an opinion, George W. just got a cushy national guard job over here in the states. He never actually saw vietnam...did he? How can you prove that he met with those leaders to influence the outcome or feelings on anything? That is not a convincing argument either way. Nice try again. Basically, you didn't prove anything still. You just gave me the republican view of everything, and then tried to make some crap up about the democrats being terrorists because bin laden supposedly said things similar to what the dems have said. and what makes republicans real americans?
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Dem Talking Point No. 1: BUSH STOLE THE 2000 ELECTION
This sounds like a child's argument, that is what is pathetic, quit nominating liberals from the North East. Any fool can see they will lose! Pick a centralist (aka Bill Clinton type) from a state that Dems normally lose, and you win. Quit making sorry excuses for your piss poor party choices.
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my quotes were actual quotes from bin laden. you can look them up and LISTEN to them on the internet. but your liberal you wont do your research. he obviously listens to the democrats and then repeats what they say. i think those quotes prove that. and kerry didnt just come back from vietnam and "have an opinion". do your research on him as well. what he did was flat out illegal. he went to paris to meet with the enemy. i love arguing with kool aid drinking liberals. they just cant face facts. so funny
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Arab countries sent the Palestinians money after the 6 Day War. The requirement was they left the Isreali controlled area to collect. The Arabs themselves won't absorb the Palestinians so they can keep hating the Isrealis and cover for their evil corrupt Monarchy governments and Religous dictatorships. Have to keep someone around to hate or they might lose power.
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I'm still waiting for DD to prove that bin Laden is repeating things that Democrats say. He says that we should do the research ourselves, and then peels out. That's called hauling ass when it gets too hot in the kitchen.
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Wow... You can support the troops themsevles, let me break this down for you. The troops are the people who just take orders and do what they are told, the people who fight the war. The goverment who declared war based on false intelegence i do not support. So yes you can support our troops and dencounce the war itself.
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The middle east is so complicated in terms of ''why'' and ''how''. Thats why they have experts trying to figure this **** out and even they get confused. Theres so many different groups fighting each other in the middle east and all have different reasons..
Its not about the terrorists being jealous of America's freedom, America is not the only one with freedom. There is plenty of countries out there with the freedom you speak of.. and probably more freedom then what America has. The middle east hating the west dates back far, the british were doing the same thing in the middle east a long time before America was even recognised as a superpower.
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Anyways I think its about time for this post to die. It seems that every thread in here turns in to a bush-bashing/ pro-anti war argument that hits all the same bases.
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why is it that muslims can move here and be fine.. but when news reporters go their they get ehir effin heads cut off.. muslims are simply savages. how is it they have all that oil but are so butt f*cking poor? but places like alberta, canada has the highest income and standard of living per capita in the world.. and theres snow on the ground half the year. or how ice land.. with its 2nd highest standard of living in the world has no natural resources but are so successful? this is BS. i have nothing against the good ones im not racist.. but how can whole countries be so deadset on having such poor living when in reality with all they oil they got they should be whipping their asses with 20's.
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