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 . Not only that, but theoretically the jews should give their land back to those that occupied that land prior to Moses' adventures (who are from egyptian descent). And your dates are off. Jews were first banished to babalon sometime around 300 BC I believe, way before the Moors/Arab ruled most of the middle east, northern africa and the iberian peninsula. And beside the Arabs, the Romans, Greeks and most recently the Brits had all conquered that area. Yet you "choose" to selectively single out the Arabs. Why is that? The map of current-day Israel, as you know it, is nothing more than a map drawing exercise by the Brits (heck, most of the middle east is). So whats my point? Israel is as "entitled" to that land as much as any other conquering group. again, a weak argument in rationalizing their use of force against palestinians 
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I never siad Israel was entitled to exclusive ownership of the land. But yesterday, before you knew about the Jews' history in Israel you were condemning them without knowing all the facts. You compared them to some stranger setting up a trailer on someone elses property, and that is not the case.
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lol! I still say just drop a couple abombs on the middle east and another one on those afghan-asses.
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There is a difference between an inherit right to land based on history (which I have argued is a joke because Jews are one of many groups that conquered that land) and international borders as determined by international bodies (ie..the UN). My analogy was based on Israel's illegal occupation of land, based on UN law.
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Yeah, but on an issue between Israel and Palestine, can the UN's ruling really be credible at all? I mean, the UN is nothing more than the sum of its members. And the it is well known that the UN is extremely anti-Israel. Dozens of resolutions that would have basically relegated Israel to "rogue" state status would have been passed, were it not for the US exercising its veto power. A UN interpretation of a where a country's borders should be is about as credible as the "drastic consequences" that the UN had vowed against Saddam Hussien.
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Alright, I'm a bar-mitzvahed reconstructionist Jew (not reformed, which is barely jewish, reconstructionist, which is a little less extreme than conservative, which is a little less extreme than orthodox), and I personally think that the Arabs have a right to be pissed (not use violence, but heck, both sides are). Here, let's use fombrunner's analogy.
The Native American's lived here WAY before we did. It's not even close. Now they don't have a country to call their own, as the Jews did not pre 1947-48. Suppose the Native American's decided they wanted back the western half of the U.S. Not all of it mind you, just half of it. We wouldn't mind, now would we. This is completely religiously oriented. Of course, many christians believe that Christ is going to come back to earth in Israel, and they want to ensure that when he does America has control of it. I personally think it's kind've weird that a religion has its own country. Not a city (the Vatican is barely capable of being considered property), but an entire country. Ah well.
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its not about being arabs being pissed...its about them not wanting to cooperate with anyone and always wanting their way or no way. Its not like the jews kicked them out, the jews could have cared less if they stayed in Israel and been happy, productive palestian isrealites w/e...
the arabs chose to attack israel, they rejected peace, they threw rocks, and in my opinion the seed of this whole ordeal is jealousy and anger. Look at Palestine in 1948 and compare it to 1958....it went from Mexican assdump to Beverly Hills, and all those other assdumps around Israel such as Syria and Lebanon are mad because they still use muskets and Israel has laser operated nukes.... thats all it is...they are PLaya Hataz
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I think your both misguided to some degree..
1-you can support the trops without agreeing in the mission.. (i personally support the mission).. 2-fumbrunner.. the 1967 attack on Israel by Lebanon and Egypt was wrong.. Israel was not the aggressor on this one.. Egypt and lebanon was.. When they attacked Israel they new that if Israel was to start to push them back then the un would step in and stop them and place the border at the location that Egypt and lebanon wanted.. which is what happened.. Just as Israel was gaining land back the un steped in.. The UN is one of the most twisted foundations going..
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yeah, that was retarded. Would any of the mods be interested in removing that? Not exactly related to the content of the thread.
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you all seem to be forgetting the real reason behind our support for Israel...
Israel is WHITE, Israel is civilized, and Israel is in the middle east. We have footing in the middle east VIA Israel. Up until 2003 Israel has been our only window to the middle east and the only way for the U.S. to keep all those muslim-extremist countries in check....You think the American government gives a **** about jews or the holocaust?  And all this "its not fair" talk doesnt really matter....lifes a ***** its not always fair...fact of the matter is, the U.S. has kept those Arab countries in check since 1948 and now we have footing in Iraq to further dominate the region. The Muslim world was our final frontier of influence. The Muslims are the only ones putting up a fight though.....Asia, Africa, and Europe went calmy and we all know what happened to the Indians  Who really cares about the Palestinians? no one....You know why? because they dont Matter. They are poor, theres too few of them, and they dont have land. If anyone gave a damn why arent all the Muslim countries helping the Palestinians? All they do is yell about injustice but I dont remember a single dollar being sent to aid them. Its the U.S. that aids those bums. I guess you guys choose to avoid the bigger picture.
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