Gay Marriage

[bar scrapper]

Originally Posted by Topher

Oh yeah to make a point from you previous comments bar, there are about 292 million people in america in 2003. So 10% rounds to 3 million people. Can you honestly call 3 million a minority and clame that we don't need to reconize their rights

By defintition, a minority equals <50%... So yes, i can defintley call them a minority...

Oh, and by the way, 10% of 292 million is not roughly 3 million....

[KrossInc]

How the hell is your sexuality a minority? Skin color and origin has denoted minority. But hell, you mean tomorrow I could say I'm gay and get minority rights? Doesn't work that way.

And also, we have given them all rights and not kept them from anything except marriage. Which is an event that can not be tampered with.

[Topher]

opps thats 29 Million which better proves my point

[bar scrapper]

Originally Posted by Topher

opps thats 29 Million which better proves my point

No one is denying gays of any right other people have... I cannot marry my best friend (a guy), and a gay man cannot marry his man friend...

[WILK99]

kross, you can not juge someone because they are gay... that is what you are doing when saying that

[/quote]"Because statistically gay male couples do not stay together, they are extremely promiscious."

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you are ingnorate to say such a thing. you half to start looking at people as individuals and not groups.

[Noogie]

Originally Posted by bar scrapper

Gays should not be allowed to be marry each other. Marriage is between a man, and a women. The entire concept of marriage is based on religous foundations, and every religion clearly states religion is between a man and a woman.


As for the gays who moan and complain that this is discriminatory, I disagree. I don't think it discriminates against ANYONE!! Heterosexuals ARE NOT allowed to marry members of the same sex, and neither are gays. On the other hand, gays are free to marry members of the opposite sex, and so are heteroes.

Heterosexuals aren't allowed to marry those of the same sex BECAUSE THEY ARE HETEROSEXUALS. They don't want to marry members of the same sex...

Thats honestly one of the dumbest things I've heard on these forums...

[Noogie]

Originally Posted by KrossInc

I am extremely against gay marriage, as the majority of the United States are. Marriage was originated for the jointure of one man, and one woman, to live together in monogomy for the purpose of procreation. The original point to marriage WAS REPRODUCTION. A homosexual couple can not reproduce, so it's pointless for them to even worry about marriage.

Also, I believe if they allow gay marriages it will bring an end to much of society as we know it. Anyone care to step back in time and look at the Romans? What do you think was the prime reason their empire fell? Decadence of society. What caused the decadence? Wide-spread homosexuality. It's statistically proven that homosexual man are FAR more promiscious in their relationships than any others. I believe it was 82% of them that were considered promiscious in their relationships. What we're asking now is, do we want to ruin marriage over something like this? Are we going to make Marriage as trivial as a damn fast food restraunt? That's all it's going to become if we allow this to continue. There's only a 52% chance of a successful marriage in America right now, what do you think it'll be when this done?

Yes, homosexuality caused the fall of the roman empire, and I suppose your going to say that rampant homosexuality caused the holocaust too?

As to marrying for reproduction, that is such a joke. More and more unmarried couple are having kid each and every day. Marriage is just a ceremony to show everyone how committed two people are two each other. Thats all it is. Its not a reason to go have kids and populate the earth.

[KrossInc]

Originally Posted by WILK99

kross, you can not juge someone because they are gay... that is what you are doing when saying that

"Because statistically gay male couples do not stay together, they are extremely promiscious."

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you are ingnorate to say such a thing. you half to start looking at people as individuals and not groups.

[/quote]

Actually, you're just falling into the politically correct 'I can't say anything that speaks of a group' mentality. I'm speaking statistically that gay males are very promiscious.

[KrossInc]

Originally Posted by Noogie

Yes, homosexuality caused the fall of the roman empire, and I suppose your going to say that rampant homosexuality caused the holocaust too?

As to marrying for reproduction, that is such a joke. More and more unmarried couple are having kid each and every day. Marriage is just a ceremony to show everyone how committed two people are two each other. Thats all it is. Its not a reason to go have kids and populate the earth.

Apparently, you haven't done your research. No society that has ever validated homosexuality has ever survived. Go read up on the fall of the Roman empire. Homosexuality contributed a big portion to the fall.

and I'm telling you what Marriage was created for, not ncessarily what it has become.

Or, here - I'm going to piss a lot of you off right now but I guarantee not one of you will be able to prove me wrong. Homosexuality is a choice made by the person. It is proven that there is no gene, no brain abnormality, nothing that causes a personal to be homosexual. What does that leave? It's a sub-concious choice made by the user. They may not have even realized that, considering the fact that your sub-concious is capable of things your concious could never imagine. But yes, deep-down it's a choice, a sub-concious one, but a choice.

[Ejcm]

Originally Posted by KrossInc

"Because statistically gay male couples do not stay together, they are extremely promiscious."

Sure we can!! Take this question for instance, "What group of people is probably most responsible for the spread of the AIDS virus?" I think we all know the answer to that one!!!!!!

[jfuller82]

Just a reminder, homosexuals are not barred from marriage. Any homosexual can go marry a woman anytime he wants just like any heterosexual man can. I do not see where the discrimination is here since both men can do the same thing and are barred from the same thing.

[Topher]

Show me where you have seen this cross

[Ejcm]

Or, here - I'm going to piss a lot of you off right now but I guarantee not one of you will be able to prove me wrong. Homosexuality is a choice made by the person. It is proven that there is no gene, no brain abnormality, nothing that causes a personal to be homosexual. What does that leave? It's a sub-concious choice made by the user. They may not have even realized that, considering the fact that your sub-concious is capable of things your concious could never imagine.

I agree. I work with a lot of lesbian, and they all have one thing in common, every one of them at some point in their lives has been screwed over royally by a guy. They make the choice that women are safer, and understand them much better than a man ever could.

[Ejcm]

Sorry Krossinc. When I took a piece out of your quote, I must have deleted the part that made it a quote!!

[Noogie]

Originally Posted by KrossInc

Apparently, you haven't done your research. No society that has ever validated homosexuality has ever survived. Go read up on the fall of the Roman empire. Homosexuality contributed a big portion to the fall.

and I'm telling you what Marriage was created for, not ncessarily what it has become.

Or, here - I'm going to piss a lot of you off right now but I guarantee not one of you will be able to prove me wrong. Homosexuality is a choice made by the person. It is proven that there is no gene, no brain abnormality, nothing that causes a personal to be homosexual. What does that leave? It's a sub-concious choice made by the user. They may not have even realized that, considering the fact that your sub-concious is capable of things your concious could never imagine. But yes, deep-down it's a choice, a sub-concious one, but a choice.

Just because it hasn't ben proven yet, doesn't mean it is personal choice. Are some people gay/bisexual by choice? Yes. As for the rest, how is it a choice if you have no control over the decision? Not to mention Joe schmoe doesn't just wake up one day when he's 6 and decides " I like boys". Its not a choice, if you don't have a say.

[WILK99]

ingnorance is bliss isn't it kross... i just cant agree with you on this one..
i can't imagin someone wanting to be gay to get all that neg attention. Why would someone commit suacide over this if they can just make a choice not to be gay?

[KrossInc]

Originally Posted by WILK99

ingnorance is bliss isn't it kross... i just cant agree with you on this one..
i can't imagin someone wanting to be gay to get all that neg attention. Why would someone commit suacide over this if they can just make a choice not to be gay?

Then, as I said - prove me wrong. Show me what makes someone gay.

[Topher]

Originally Posted by KrossInc

Anyone care to step back in time and look at the Romans? What do you think was the prime reason their empire fell? Decadence of society. What caused the decadence? Wide-spread homosexuality.

You ask us if we have done our research but have you done yours, i had a chat with my euro hist professor (college) and Homosexuality was not a giant factor you claim it to be. The major factors of the fall of the roman emipire was lacking in military techonlogy, heavily relying on slaves and corruption in the upper parts of the roman government

[kosmo]

I'm against it but as long as they finally admit that being "Gay" is a choice then I'll look past it.

[lukeventura]

Originally Posted by OffBax

Lets start with something really contraversal. What do you think and why? Personally I believe to each his/her own.

My only problem with recent events is cities like San Fran bypassing state law. My wife believes that by doing that San Fran is paving the way to change state law. I disagree, we live in a democratic society and the majority rules. Issues like this should be taken to the voters of the whole state (maybe even country) before it should be legalized. I don't have a problem with it, but, I do have a problem with the way people are going about it. That's my opinion what's yours?

It's called civil disobedience and it does work. Remember Martin Luther King Jr.? He defeated segregation laws by ignoring them and the same should be accomplished for the gays.

And religion should have nothing to do with the legal form of marriage. If it does become recognised by the state, the church still has the right to decide who can and can't marry in their church. If you go to a church that does not recognize gay marriage, then legal recognition of same-sex marriage would have no affect on you or your religion.