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i used to be against gay marriage because it so unnatural. now i agree with "live and let live." marriages are so fvcked up these days, i think gays should be givin the chance to see if they can turn things around..... i doubt it though...... marriage is only as sacred as the 2 peeps involved make it, and i think marriage is pretty much a joke to most people these days, so think anyone should be alowed to get married. if i wanna merry a horse, and the horse has no objection, i say its fair game
 "gay couples should have the right to be just as unhappy as straight married couples..." 
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You people complaining about gay marriage and how it's 'destroying the world' should try and fix your own marriages first. Funny thing, the Bible says not to get divorced, but oh, lordy, that ain't stopping you from running for the divorce court like it's Free Money Day there. Since this IS entirely Biblical-driven, I've actually been in discussions and reseach that the Bible actually says NOTHING against homosexuals, let alone homosexuals that want to get married. And you know what? These people may very well be right. It's complicated, and I should wonder what the Religious Wrong will do when they find that out. Jesus certainly never says anything about homosexuality at ALL.
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Trancelation, I don't know you but I love your style!
Gay marriage? Come on people! We live in the 21st century!! People should be free to marry whoever they love. What is so strange is the way the US is freaking out over this. You sure this isn't Saudi Arabia or maybe Iran? Get over it. Gay marrige is not hurting you, your families or anyone else. It simply extends the same rights to people who are your fellow citizens. Now your government is moving to ban two males or two females getting married. I don't know what is happening with the religious wrong and how come they have managed to influence so many people who may otherwise be considered rational. Aw well, Canada has legalized gay marriage. Its not up for debate and we won't be using any Section 1's at the Charter to overthrow it. Now that, in Canada, would be political suicide. The statistic show women as the majority of supporters for gay marrige. I wonder why that is? |
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It seems that me and Canadians agree on a lot, Stargazer. Perhaps I should consider citizenship there? I'm certainly getting tired of the way the US handles some things, now that the reigns have been molested (oops, sorry, stolen) by Conservative Evangelical Fundamentalist Radical Christians (or should I say non-Christians, because Jesus certainly never exhibited these behavioral tendencies).
Anyway, people who are against gay marriage are afraid of it. Plain and simple. They are terrified of homosexuality because it threatens the narcissitic pattern on which they base their own sexual identity. Especially here in America, where people are fond of labels, and with attaching negative or positive characteristics onto those labels. And as Westerners, we are programmed to HATE what we FEAR. Forget Jayzus and 'love,' that's the way it is. "Me Notot undrer stind thiussss!!11!11 MEeEe CRAUSHSs iiitt!11!!!1!!11" I suppose freethinkers such as me and yourself can be told we do the same thing, but I certainly don't ever recall a non-Christian requesting legislation that would deny Christians any of their basic freedoms (though some Christians will argue what the definition of 'basic freedom' is so that it will mean 'freedom of any consequences). Anyway, nice to meet someone else who has an open mind under the weights. I love bodybuilding, I love weightlifting, and most of the people here are decent and knowledgable in that field, but in topics like this one . . . whoo! But we're alle ntitled to our opinions, eh? |
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I would like to hope we are. I sort of figured I was in the minority on my positions but at least I come by them honestly. It really is frightening the amount of propaganda and brainwashing forced on the people by the elite (Xian fundies, coporate elite, gov't etc.). I'm waiting for people to wake up and start realizing that following dogma blindly only serves to make a person less aware and more closed to other ideas. Its all around us now. When a modern industrialized society that claims to be all about freedom and democracy turns its back on the very tenets of science (creationism, abstinence only, stem cell research) and lets religious rhetoric become what determines its actions, we have problems - see war, hate, bigotry, corporate greed gone uncontrolled, famines, shortage of money to support communities or support a decent living wage, health care issues severe enough 45 million Americans don't have access to it. But let the right tell you, or yell at you...everything is okay. 45 million without health care is less important than sending that bomb to Iran. Or deploying all those poor Latino and black kids to Iraq. Now those are some righteous right wing values.
Its highly amusing to me to hear the same people say 'support the troops' then turn around and claim the war was justified. "So, you support the troops by sending them into a country that did absolutley nothing to you with a high chance they will be killed?" "Yeah but we did it to spread freedom" "Huh? But I thought it was about WMD's aimed to kill in 45 minutes? Or wasn't it then about taking out Saddam?" "Oh it was about giving the Iraqi people free votes? Sorry, I'll have to erase the last two years from my mind. BRB." Then the conversation goes like this: our soldiers are over there dying so you could say these things on a message board. See, its really all about our being able to speak freely, this war, the Bush government's security plans and the whole Freedom March (TM). That's what is is all about. Its definitely never about the people in power using their constituents kids as cannon fodder. Oh no, its the good Xian fight to spread democracy throughout the world - even if we don't want democracy by bullets we had better bite or else! This is sure to make me friends but apart from my political leaning (clearly left - but isn't almost everything compared to PNAC?) |
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If i have "beastality" (sexual attraction to animals), should i be allowed to marry my dog? Of course not! And no, that is not discrimination either... NO ONE is allowed to do that.[/quote]
why the hell does everyone ALWAYS go down this road? you know thats just plain stupid to say that! im sorry to say this, but you do appear to be racist towards gay people. all people, all races should be allowed to be with the one they love. the church needs to be taken away from this topic. religion is nothing more than just religion. it doesnt hold enough power to make these desicions. the laws and the people who create them need to think about this topic, without the 'church' along side it. the church only shines its view about how life should be in regards to the catholic faith. but the catholic faith doesnt control any laws. people need to realise that religion and law need to be seperated, and faith in a religion needs to be thrown out the window. |
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You guys have got to be kidding! Are you really hiding behind the Bible to account for your bigotry and greed? A lot of you posters have hit the nail on the head. You're not against gay marriage because its a "sin", you're against it ONLY because it doesn't have anything to offer you. You don't care about equality and fairness, because you don't want to be fair. You want to look in the mirror and know that you have a better life than someone else. You will fight to the bitter end to ensure that others stay beneath you.  The Bible isn't a book for the faint of heart or lazy. You CANNOT just read the Bible, ask your preacher/priest/reverend, etc. what a certain passage means and consider whatever scraps are thrown at you to be absolute and unwaivering truth. The Bible is written by many different authors in many different dialects and what may be law at one point in time is considered rubbish in the next passage. While you're talking about "sin" and quoting Leviticus and Deuteronomy; ponder this: 1) Have you ever eaten meat anyway other than well done? 2) Have you ever worn different fabrics at one time (i.e cotton and polyester)? IF you answered yes to either of these questions then you are subject to the same punishment as "men who lie with men." Of course, these laws don't apply to day. Why is it that you pick and choose which rules you think should apply to benefit yourself? You CANNOT take the Bible at face value (in today's languages/dialects). If you're going to read it DO SOME INVESTIGATING. Is it Hebrew or Aramaic? Whos said it? When did they say it? Where did they say it? Were there special circumstances? What does the Bible say about gay marriage? NOTHING! Gay people did not exist back then in the same way that we acknowledge them. "Eunuchs" and "aionolit" were considered as sexes seperate from male/female altogether. Now, before you respond that a eunuch is a man with a genital deformity or that an aionolit(one variation of virgin) is a woman incapable of reproduction-RESEARCH! Some (very few) of them did have disfigured genitalia, impotence and sterility. Others "eunuchs from birth" were not at deformed or incapable of reproduction. I'm sure you know that, if they were, then none of them would have been allowed to enter the temple. Yet, its easy to find them acting as temple servants. I'm not going any further than this. Why? IF you want to know the truth you'll put away your political views and put in the time and effort to find truth. TRUTH is a funny thing, its only awakening when YOU strive to find it. PEACE
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Hmm, sounds like you have closet problems to me. Anyway, you wouldn't like it if someone told you you were less than human by only allowing you to have a civil union instead of a marriage, now would you? That's all these 'annoying' people want: recognition of their humanity. Only allowing 'civil unions' is basically calling them second-class citizens. It's just like calling this country a 'Christian nation'; what am I? A second-class American? |
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The bible says lots of things. Jews can't eat pork, but that's because way back when it used to cause trigonosis way too often...so they made it a "sin". They also used to believe that men had limited amounts of semen, and they knew having sex with another man wasn't going to result in a child, so they banned that, figuring they were preventing the waste of "limited" semen. Most ancient biblical laws have a basis in the beliefs/problems of the day, and that's why most are obsolete now.
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