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Im just gonna throw my 2 cents in here.
Im not a big fan of full blown carb cycling, especially the no carb days. I just see no need for it. I can see limiting your carbs to breakfast, pre and post workout. Ive had great success with jsut a simple 5pm carb cutoff.(i go to bed around midnight usually.) And i only do this 5 days a week. i eat whatever i want on the weekends. Ive done no carb diets before and inevitably they always lead to binge carb eating. At least in my case and many people i know. You need carbs, when you deprive yourself it just makes you want them more in the long run. Why torture yourself?
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AND If you eat right on no carb day (enough protein, fats) it's not torture at all, especially since you follow it immediately with a refeed day But you obviously have had some success Mitch, as you have dropped a lot of fat, so I wont argue against YOUR methods, I can only add positive thoughts on carb cycling as it has been the secret to my personal success
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I just dont think the average person needs to jump through all these hoops to drop some fat.
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What question was that Amped?
@Mitch: Yea, its going to be a bit of a pain, but I think it'll pay off. I've tried all sort of diet plans and at this point, my body is fighting tooth and nail to stay pudgy. Carb Cycling is a last resort for me... not because of reputation or difficulty, but because basic dieting worked so well for so long. At this point, I need to give my body a little shock therapy. Hopefully this is it.
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03-31-2008, 03:31 PM
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Right. I always allowed myself a cheat night on the weekends for the reasons you stated earlier. Social life calls for indulgence quite often. To be honest though, even when I was allowing myself to 'cheat,' I would still be very conscious of the things I ate. So this may have definitely played a factor in plateauing for me.
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Yes, that couldve been a factor. another thing most people overlook is the fact that as you lose lbs, you need to continually drop your calories too as your maintenance caloric level drops with the lower bodyweight. Sounds simple but many people totally overlook it. They wonder why theyve hit a wall when theyre eating the same amount of calories they were eating when they were 30lbs heavier.
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I was ontop of that one. I was down to 1600 calories before I realized I needed to try something else. My BMR is currently ~1900. I was starving at that point.
I'm going to give CC two months with an interim decision around the one month mark. If I'm not seeing any results, I'll bail and go back to just eating smart. I'm not a quitter though, so if I see the slightest results, I'll keep plugging away at it.
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March 31st Update
Felt great today. Got started a little late but things fell in place.
Since I'm trying to get my diet in strict order, I decided to take a strong look at all my exercises today for any form issues. The only place I found some real issues were my isolation bicep exercises. I was doing partials instead of full range of motion. I was still getting great strength increases, but if I'm wanting to build muscle and be a smart lifter, I needed to clean it up. I dropped weight and made sure I could hammer my sets out properly. I added BB Rows for back today. I'm in love. I could feel the work really well. Thanks to Mike for the suggestion of giving them a try on the Smith. Ok, here is a form question regarding Squats. For the first time today, I felt some strain in the crease between your thigh and groin on both side during the heavier squats. I was looking at myself in the mirror and couldn't see any problems with my form. Does anybody have an idea what stance issue might cause a pull in that area? LOG: Google Docs - workout log NOTE: There are multiple sheets now. Each week a new sheet will be started. "Current" will signify the... you guess it, current log.
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Good Lifts today, keep it up!
as far as the squat issue, do you stand really duck footed? I was playing around with my stance a while back and noticed that the more i let my toes creep out, the more stress it put on the inner leg / groin area.
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April 1st Update
Tuesdays and Thursdays are crazy hectic for me. Class from 11-5 back to back. Makes it hard to eat properly. Today, I packed a salad with some chicken as well as a bag of nuts to snack on intermittenly. My healthy fat intake has been struggling, so hopefully I can get it where it needs to be by keeping some fats on me.
Trying to mix up my carb sources while keeping it health the best I can. The tortillas are really good. Low calorie, decent carbs, low fat and they taste good. First time cooking brown rice and it was surprisingly good. Need to let it soak a little longer next time though. Once again, I spent a lot of energy watching my form today. Saw some inconsistencies in my incline bench. I need to clean it up a good bit. As well, I was pushing heavier weight on flat bench today and could tell I was putting my shoulders in to it too much. When it came time for shoulder exercises, they were toast. With carb cycling, you are suppose to throw your scale away. I still check out of habit. I was 179 this morning and instinctually deflated from gaining weight. When I checked the mirror though, I saw a cut in my hip that use to not be near as defined. I know its too early to attribute anything to CC, but my biggest fear as been relieved... I won't get fat from eating a lot if its clean food. I've been eating more the past two weeks on a daily basis than I have the past year by far. Yet, I still seem to be getting leaner. Only time will tell whether or not its CC or just eating clean causing this, but I'm more motivated than ever. Slight strain in the left side of my groin today obviously from the squats yesterday. Been doing butterfly stretches randomly today to keep it loose. Tomorrow is zero carbs and rest day. Good thing because I have a term paper due on Thursday. Google Docs - workout log Last edited by Gill; 04-01-2008 at 09:39 PM.
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Ah, haha. Well you said you figured it out, but just to clarify... I'm trying to lose fat while still building some muscle. When carb cycling is executed properly, this is possible. My bf% is pretty low as it is, but I'm seeking definition as Summer rolls around. I'll probably start a true bulk cycle late Summer.
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Wednesday was a zero carb/no workout day and it went well. The whole no carb thing isn't a big deal. The only down-side is the small selection of snack food between meat meals. Either way, it wasn't bad.
Today is a refeed for me as I've run 3 zero carb days. I'm going to do these every other Thursday. Started off with a hardy meal this morning. Big bowl of low-sugar oatmeal, some delicious fruit (including a few pieces of banana), and turkey sausage. I even fixed a piece of toast with some natty pbutter before heading to class. Right now I'm eating another good helping of carbs in the form of brown rice and tortillas. I basically made a burrito out of chicken, brown rice, couple splashed of tabasco and a spread of cottage cheese (which acts surprisingly similar to cottage cheese). In about 90 minutes I'm going to go slam out a leg/back/bis day. I can totally get use to this refeed day.
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