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I agree on one hand with you Mitch but the point you bring up is debatable in itself as there is another side to the coin. * If he did his biceps first (as in prioritization), they'd be full strength for bicep work and therefore he'd lift his max efforts on direct bicep lifts like the barbell curl which mainly targets the biceps. * BUT if he does biceps last after doing back work, then the biceps are heavily fatigued from the heavy backwork (which the biceps are an auxilery/assitance muscle) and therefore he will not have 100% effort for the direct bicep work. It's a catch 22 as we all know heavy back work builds big biceps, but on the same token the biggest bicep builder is known as the barbell curl. Thus is the reason I mix things up, sometimes I work biceps first, sometimes I throw them in last....same thing applies to grip changes (wide, medium, narrow) 
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I'd recommend you do back movements first as Mitch suggested and then add bicep work to your leg day.
This will allow you to work them indirectly fist on one day and directly w/out them being tired from indirect work another day.
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Most people could grow their biceps without ever picking up a Dumbell or doing a curl. Compound movements like rows and pullups are gonna put on more mass than bicep isolation work ever will. thats why they should get priority. Work the big muscles first, the vaginal muscle last.
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I myself seem to need curls to get those b!tches to grow. Perhaps when I do back work I am really getting the most out of isolating my back and not involving the biceps as much??? I just know I stopped curling for 6-8 months and my biceps deflated on me.... When I started curling again, I made biceps more of a priority and they started growing again Last edited by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives; 10-25-2007 at 10:32 AM.
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Then why is my back lightyears ahead of my biceps?
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Everybody has a group of muscles that develops real easy for them. for me its back too, and legs. for some its the arms, for some its calves, etc...Its just genetics. i dont think it really has anything to do with training. Although ive never thought your arm development looked out of proportion with your back development based on the pics youve shown us over the years.
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Or another thing I was thinking about was that the back carries little fat compared to the rest, so perhaps the muscles of the back are far more observant at my BF %?? Thanks, nice discussion, sorry to clutter the journal up Big Mike
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Thanks guys, just wanted to note though that a couple of workouts ago I did switch my Back and shoulder day, so no more back / bi's on same day.
So for the last few weeks its has been: Day A: Shoulders Biceps Legs Day B: Chest Back Tri's Did this so i could get more weight onto my shoulder exercises without them already being fatigued from pressing that day. Thanks as always for the advice guys. Will be making some tweaks to the routine next Monday when BI day rolls around again.
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10/26 Chest / Back / Tris
Weight: 238 Flat BB Press 185 x warm 245 x 8 x 2 sets 255 x 6 x 2 sets 225 x 6 x 1 set DB incline press 80 x 8 x 1 set (first time I've ever been able to push 80's) 80 x 6 x 1 set 80 x 4 x 2 sets Flat DB Flys 35 x 8 x 4 sets (not feeling like these are really doing much, might go back to DB declines next week) Bent over Rows 95 x warm 135 x 8 x 2 sets 155 x 6 x 2 sets Lat Pull Down 165 x 8 x 3 sets Rope Tri extension 155 x 10 x 3 sets Strait bar Tri Extension 165 x 10 x 3 sets Probably the best chest day I've ever had, pretty happy with the flat press and incline weight.
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10/29 Shoulders / Biceps / Legs
* 23 years old as of yesterday O gawd... getting old! Weight: 237lbs = birthday weekend... cake, pizza, beer, est! Standing front Mili Press (trying these on Smith rack on friday) 95 x warm 135 x 8 x 1 set 155 x 6 x 3 sets DB Side delt raises 25's x 8 x 4 sets Standing BB curl (oly bar) / DB preachers Supersets BB: 75 x 8 x 5 sets Preachers: 25 x 6 x 5 sets Seated DB Concentration curl 20 x 8 x 3 sets DB forearm curl 35 x 8 x 3 sets RG BB curl 50 x 8 x 4 sets Deep @ss sumo squat 185 x warn 225 x 6 x 4 sets Standard Deads 195 x 6 x 4 sets Have been sort of laxed on the diet for the last week or two... have not gained any weight but i havnt lost any eaither. Going to kick the diet back in this week and push myself out of this slump.
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10/31 Chest / Back / Tris
Weight: 236lbs Flat BB Bench 185 x warm 245 x 8 x 1 set 255 x 6 x 2 sets 255 x 4 x 1 set Incline DB press 80's x 8 x 4 sets Flat DB flys 35's x 8 x 4 sets Bent over rows 185 x 6 x 4 sets (going to go lighter next week, form sucked at this weight) (pulled something in my back last week and it isnt feeling great after these... calling it a day for back work) Tri Rope extensions 155 x 10 x 3 sets Skull Crushers and CG press 80 x 8 x 3 sets
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11/2 Shoulders / Biceps / Legs
Weight: 235lbs Front Mili press 135 x warm 185 x 6 x 2 sets 185 x 4 x 2 sets DB side Delt Raises 30's x 8 x 4 sets Standing BB curl / DB preacher Supersets BB 75 x 8 x 5 sets DB 30's x 6 x 5 sets DB Hammer Curl 40's x 8 x 4 sets Parallel Squats 135 x warm 225 x 6 x 4 sets 185 x 18 x O Sh1t about to pass out Standard Deads 135 x warm 225 x 6 x 4 sets Seated db concentration curl 25 x 10 x 3 sets DB forearm curl 40 x 10 x 3 sets No Cardio, Basketball game later tonight. Good day day all in all, the hammer curls felt really good! Still pissed off the my BB curl is lagging but o well.
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