Chuck Norris

[mitchcumstein]

Originally Posted by Taekwondo Guy

take a 12 week prep... minus the little sugar additions each day, it does add up.

1% or 5% difference.... it all counts IMO and i'd rather not leave things to chance, while on stage its a very lonely place just wearing your posing trunks and its better to lose to a bigger guy than to a more conditioned guy believe me

Just goes to show you the difference of whats needed to get to 4% bf as opposed to 10%. Thats why i lol when i see guys who are 20% obsessing over carbs and thinking they need no carb diets to get lean. Not necessary at that point.

[Anticor]

Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

Just goes to show you the difference of whats needed to get to 4% bf as opposed to 10%. Thats why i lol when i see guys who are 20% obsessing over carbs and thinking they need no carb diets to get lean. Not necessary at that point.

Agreed. I'm at the point where I don't need to go no cards, I just need to man up and go no McD's....

[TheHorseman]

Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

Just goes to show you the difference of whats needed to get to 4% bf as opposed to 10%. Thats why i lol when i see guys who are 20% obsessing over carbs and thinking they need no carb diets to get lean. Not necessary at that point.

Its a whole different ballgame. First off they just need consistency. Theyll never get to ten if they cant dedicate themselves. Ive found that "I eat healthy most of the time" = I eat like sh!t.

[JayFive]

Originally Posted by Taekwondo Guy

take a 12 week prep... minus the little sugar additions each day, it does add up.

1% or 5% difference.... it all counts IMO and i'd rather not leave things to chance, while on stage its a very lonely place just wearing your posing trunks and its better to lose to a bigger guy than to a more conditioned guy believe me

Bleh, I meant to edit that, must not have hit the button. My addition was: but I'm guessing when you're prepping for a contest, every gram counts.

Hence the reason you won't catch me in a contest anytime soon. I can give up junk and carbs after a certain time but ask me not to put a squeeze of lemon on my tilapia or lime on my tuna steak, I may actually cry.

[HammerTech]

Originally Posted by TheHorseman

Its a whole different ballgame. First off they just need consistency. Theyll never get to ten if they cant dedicate themselves. Ive found that "I eat healthy most of the time" = I eat like sh!t.

Truth. Ran into a guy in my gym last night who openly admitted "I'm just not consistent with this..." then went on to b!tch about how he looked.

I thought to myself: "The problem is pretty easily fixed..."

/clutter.

[TheHorseman]

Originally Posted by HammerTech

Truth. Ran into a guy in my gym last night who openly admitted "I'm just not consistent with this..." then went on to b!tch about how he looked.

I thought to myself: "The problem is pretty easily fixed..."

/clutter.

That's why there are so many people that workout, but VERY few who actually look like they do???

[Renegade68]

Renegade = eats healthy 80% of the time.

100% - 80% = 20% bodyfat.

Reality, I'll probably never get below 15-17% because I don't have a goal/desire strong enough to make me seek it hard enough. Lame, yes. Reality - also yes.

/clutter

[TheHorseman]

Originally Posted by Renegade68

Renegade = eats healthy 80% of the time.

100% - 80% = 20% bodyfat.

Reality, I'll probably never get below 15-17% because I don't have a goal/desire strong enough to make me seek it hard enough. Lame, yes. Reality - also yes.

/clutter

Compete...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Renegade68

Renegade = eats healthy 80% of the time.

100% - 80% = 20% bodyfat.

Reality, I'll probably never get below 15-17% because I don't have a goal/desire strong enough to make me seek it hard enough. Lame, yes. Reality - also yes.

/clutter

^^ Ditto

[BiggerGuns=LongerDrives]

Originally Posted by Renegade68

Renegade = eats healthy 80% of the time.

100% - 80% = 20% bodyfat.

Reality, I'll probably never get below 15-17% because I don't have a goal/desire strong enough to make me seek it hard enough. Lame, yes. Reality - also yes.

/clutter

Originally Posted by Sean

^^ Ditto

And another Ditto ^^

[TheHorseman]

So why put forth the effort? Im not saying everyone should get on stage, but for me, lifting is more than just a hobby.

I am not being a dick, just really curious. Getting into the 11-13 range takes nothing...

[Taekwondo Guy]

12-15% is piss easy to get to... and thats with moderate carbs in the diet and minimal cardio if any.

i was fat on my bulk, learnt my lesson and now i know that staying leaner (12-15%)allows a better anabolic environment than being a fat ass at 20-25%.
You keep more gains when dieting down sub 10% and you dont have to crazy cut, you can eat all the way into the show.

I have never been of the disposition to 'just train', i have to work towards something or what the fck am i doing with my time to warrant the lifestyle change.
Be it a show, a powerlifting meet...heck, even a bodybuilding forum "shape up" challenge.

More people stick to a plan when they have a goal. No goal = no end date = mañana mañana

[TheHorseman]

That's exactly right man. You definitely have a range where you're going to gain more muscle and STAY leaner, and most people don't get that they're just spinning wheels if they're carrying too much body fat. And it should be obvious, as we know what excess bf does to suppress testosterone and other naturally produced anabolic hormones.

My workouts are too grueling to not be properly fueled. I don't hang around the gym because I like the people in it. Actually, I hate most people in gyms that are fkn sh!t up. So I get in there, do my thing and get out. I think about the gym before I get there and I think about my workouts. I also think about every meal the same way - if I'm going through the punishment, I want the rewards.

[Anticor]

Originally Posted by TheHorseman

So why put forth the effort? Im not saying everyone should get on stage, but for me, lifting is more than just a hobby.

I am not being a dick, just really curious. Getting into the 11-13 range takes nothing...

I think you answered your own question. For you lifting is more than just a hobby.

I fully realize the limitations I place on my potential because I approach this as a hobby, a stress relief, a place to get away. How can I accept it knowing the limitation is self induced? I stack rank my priorities based upon my current sitation and I adjust accordingly. Might not always be that way but right now I've got 6 things that rank higher in regards to getting my time.

[Anticor]

Originally Posted by TheHorseman

So I get in there, do my thing and get out. I think about the gym before I get there and I think about my workouts.

If we could make this a rule the gym would be 200% (actual number I did some research....) better.

I know what exercises I'm hitting for the day, I know what weights I want to hit. If I get in and I'm feelin ballzy I'll step it up, if I'm feeling like a sack of hammered buttholes then I tone it down but those adjustments are quick compared to the "Uh you wanna go do bench?" guys you see.

[TheHorseman]

Originally Posted by Anticor

I think you answered your own question. For you lifting is more than just a hobby.

I fully realize the limitations I place on my potential because I approach this as a hobby, a stress relief, a place to get away. How can I accept it knowing the limitation is self induced? I stack rank my priorities based upon my current sitation and I adjust accordingly. Might not always be that way but right now I've got 6 things that rank higher in regards to getting my time.

Cop out dude. Like everyone else, I am a father, have a family, have responsibilities, travel, take care of every aspect of my business (accounting, advertising, and I work). Just like everyone else, I have other sh!t going on. That means I stay up late cooking or cardio after my son is in bed, etc. Not one time in this blog do you read "My friends all ordered lunch and they had pizza so I had it" or "I didn't have anything to eat."

Just because you have responsibilities doesn't mean you have to pay less attention to other things. I don't know your situation and I hope you don't have 3 bed ridden children or anything horrible like that - if you do, my prayers are with you. But having time is the same obstacle for everyone.

Renegade asked me a few weeks ago how I have something like 39 hours in a day when he has 24 - I simply don't waste a minute. If I want something, like anyone else, I'm willing to do it. That means I've sacrificed going out to watch MNF, drinking beer on Saturdays or whatever.

I'm not preaching and I realize this is going to hurt some feelings for some people, but not having time or having other sh!t going on is a way of saying lack of discipline.

[Anticor]

I see your point but I don't know if I agree with it. Like I said I know it's a choice on my part to focus my time elsewhere. For me it's a concious decision. I've got other goals (career and education related) that I stack as higher rating for my time. Those I don't let slip, those I will excel and and hit my goals first. Then I will adjust. For you where you will not slip and where you must excel is your lifting and you will not fail.

You are preaching but that's because you're absolutely passionate about the subject at hand, it's not a bad thing.

I apologize I'm way too good at cluttering your log.

[TheHorseman]

Originally Posted by Anticor

I see your point but I don't know if I agree with it. Like I said I know it's a choice on my part to focus my time elsewhere. For me it's a concious decision. I've got other goals (career and education related) that I stack as higher rating for my time. Those I don't let slip, those I will excel and and hit my goals first. Then I will adjust. For you where you will not slip and where you must excel is your lifting and you will not fail.

You are preaching but that's because you're absolutely passionate about the subject at hand, it's not a bad thing.

I apologize I'm way too good at cluttering your log.

No apologies needed bro. I'm very passionate about it and I apologize if I came across condescending. IMO, the key, in life, is to learn the ability to direct the same amount of passion and aggressiveness toward many goals simultaneously. I take running my business, which, of course, is fitness related, as serious as I take everything else. Being a good father and providing for my family is number one, but I don't feel like that takes away from anything else. I'd run any business I had the same way - channel it, but give everything I had to it when I needed to.

When I was 22, I was a full time graduate student, trained 6-8 hours per day, and I had a pretty busy job - I was an AF Pararescueman.

Life isn't easy and if I create a pill to give us more time to do what we must, I'll be extremely wealthy, but if I'm going to do anything, I'm doing it the only way I know how - full blast. That's my personality. I've said it before, I don't have another gear besides all out.

[Anticor]

Condescending? You can't hurt my feelings I'm married!

Air Foce?! I won't hold it against you.

[TheHorseman]

Originally Posted by Anticor

Condescending? You can't hurt my feelings I'm married!

Air Foce?! I won't hold it against you.

PJ's aren't normal Air Force... Make no mistake - we had a couple of cross-over force recon guys. They typically didn't escape selection school.

I'll leave Renegaze to back me on this one.