The Right to Bare Arms

[POWERJIM]

Do you think its every persons right to Bare Arms not only in their homes but in public too, since our Countries Leaders walk around with BodyGaurds at ready with SMGs etc, isnt it right that anybody decent and law abiding should be able to defend themselfs if needed, also consider the times we are living under, threats of terrorism are very real so lets be ready for anything wouldnt you agree?



A Gun is only a tool, what that tool is used for is upto its master.

[B4n3 0n3]

I went all out and said everyone should be allowed to bear arms. I get so mad about how I can't carry my gun around legally. I feel I need to carry heat to defend myself.

[NiteHawk]

I dont believe felons should carry but all other law abiding citizens over the age of 18 should be allowed to carry a firearm.

[B4n3 0n3]

Originally Posted by NiteHawk

I dont believe felons should carry but all other law abiding citizens over the age of 18 should be allowed to carry a firearm.

I am not a felon but I think that the bad guys will get guns anyway so they might as well just go and legalize it for everyone that way the law abiders would have a fair chance to deffend themselvs. When crime goes down on the street it is never fair odd it is always like 5 guys beating on one guy so I think you need to have a gun to survive.

[POWERJIM]

The thing that i dont understand is that Criminals will always carry guns no matter what the government say, however the Government dont want anybody in the Uk to own Firearms so all the decent people give up their Guns as the law states, while Criminals carry on walking around with Firearms, does that make any sense at all to anyone here?

[B4n3 0n3]

Originally Posted by POWERJIM

The thing that i dont understand is that Criminals will always carry guns no matter what the government say, however the Government dont want anybody in the Uk to own Firearms so all the decent people give up their Guns as the law states, while Criminals carry on walking around with Firearms, does that make any sense at all to anyone here?

I agree, the honest man gets screwed with the laws these days.

[POWERJIM]

Originally Posted by B4n3 0n3

I agree, the honest man gets screwed with the laws these days.

Its like handing your life on a plate to the criminals, yes you can break into any house without being confronted by a gun, yes you can rape and steal the world is yours! FVCKED UP RULES FOR A FVCKED UP WORLD!

Citizens Without Firearms are Subjects, think about it.

[B4n3 0n3]

YEa I bodybuild so that I can be stronger than most guys and fight off criminals but you really do need a gun to defend yourself.

[POWERJIM]

Originally Posted by B4n3 0n3

YEa I bodybuild so that I can be stronger than most guys and fight off criminals but you really do need a gun to defend yourself.

Yeah muscles mean sh!t when someones pointing a gun at you.

[POWERJIM]

Advocates for the right to bear arms often point to previous totalitarian regimes that passed gun control legislation, which was later followed by confiscation. Totalitarian governments such as Fascist Italy and Germany during World War II, as well as some Communist states such as the People's Republic of China are examples of this. Bolshevist Russia and the Soviet Union did not abolish personal gun ownership during the relatively liberal initial period from 1918 to 1929; the introduction of gun control in 1929 coincided with the beginning of the repressive Stalinist regime.

There is no direct causal relationship between gun control and totalitarianism. There are a number of countries that have had gun control in place for many years -- the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia for example -- that are not considered by most to be totalitarian governments.

There is only one country which was democratic prior to becoming totalitarian, the Weimar Republic, one of the weakest governments in Europe in the twenties and early thirties, from which the Third Reich arose. There, the Nazis actually liberalized the gun laws of the Weimar Republic with the Reichswaffengesetz in 1938, but prohibited possession of weapons by Jews shortly thereafter.

Firearms-rights advocates also point to the example of Japan. The Warring States period in Japanese history led to a high percentage of weapons ownership within the general populace[citation needed], and this hindered the Japanese Imperial government in establishing totalitarian control within the country[citation needed]. A number of edicts were issued, stating directly that weapons should be confiscated because "[weapons] make rebellion possible and make difficult the collection of taxes"[citation needed]. The Japanese populace was eventually disarmed, weapons ownership was strictly limited to the elite and their Samurai bodyguards [citation needed]. Peasants, without any access to arms, were at the mercy of powerful warlords.

Registration of firearms in some countries has led to confiscations of formerly legal firearms and the outlawing of the ownership of firearms to various degrees.

Some oppose registration of guns or licensing of gun owners because if captured, the associated records would provide military invaders with the locations and identities of gun owners, simplifying elimination of law-abiding (i.e. patriotic) resistance fighters. Location and capture of such records is a standard doctrine taught to military intelligence officers; and was widely practiced by German and Soviet troops during World War II.

The Battles of Lexington and Concord, sometimes known as the Shot heard 'round the world, in the 1770s, were started in part because General Gage sought to carry out an order by the British government to disarm the populace.

[POWERJIM]

FISH & FEATHERS: WITH GUNS WE ARE CITIZENS, WITHOUT THEM WE ARE SUBJECTS
By Capt. RON MALAST

Chinook Observer , WA
Nov 29 2006

The age-old controversy of "gun control" has been argued for many
years, but never with a satisfactory conclusion. Advocates of
gun control believe that by taking weapons away from the general
population, they put themselves in a safer position, In my opinion,
nothing could be further from the truth.

When the public submits themselves to the restriction of having their
guns taken away, in the interest of public safety, they are under a
false assumption. To believe that criminals are going to abide by
these rules and the government is going to protect the public is
pure fantasy.

The government has its own reasons for not wanting armed citizens.

Whether you agree or not, it's an interesting lesson in history.

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953
about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5
million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
an exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938. From 1939 to 1945, a total
of 13 million Jews and others were exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissents were massacred.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to protect themselves were slaughtered.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians were killed.

Notice a pattern here? At least, 56 million defenseless people have
been exterminated, in the 20th Century.

Twelve months after gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender
their personal weapons (640,381 of them) by their own government,
at a cost of 500 million to taxpayers, the results are in.

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.

Australia-wide assaults are up 8.6 percent.

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent.

Seems like the "bad guys" forgot to turn in their guns.

This seems to be a trend in countries where gun control has taken
weapons out of civilian hands. Why should criminals worry about
recrimination, if they know there will be no armed resistance from
their targeted victims.

Law biding citizens will turn in their guns so that they do not break
the law and become criminals. Criminals do not give a damn and will
break the law to reach any means. If the courts of this country would
support the police and enforce existing gun laws the criminal element
would be reduced considerably.

~U As of 1992, for every 14 violent crimes (rape, murder etc.)
committed in the U.S., one person went to prison.

As of 1992, average length of imprisonment for:

~UMurder 10 years. Rape 7.6 years, aggravated assault 3.4 years

~UIn mid-1990's, criminals on parole or early release from prison
committed about 5,000 murders, 17,000 rapes and 200,000 robberies
a year.

~UAmericans use firearms to defend themselves from criminals at least
764,000 a year, according to surveys conducted by Galiup and the Los
Angles Times.

~UWashington, D.C. Enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between
1976 and 1991, Washington, D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200 percent,
while in the rest of the country it rose 12 percent.

~UFlorida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. Between 1987 and
1996 these changes occurred - in Florida the homicide rate dropped 36
percent; in the rest of the United States it dropped only 0.4 percent.

The figures speak for themselves.

- "Gun Control," by James Rucnco (www.justfacts.com/gun control.htm)

Ron Malast is operator of the charter boat Big Dipper working out
of Sea Sport Fishing Charters in Ilwaco 866-211-6611. You may e-mail
him at raiders@reachone.com

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Submitted by Emil Lazarian

[Noir]

Lol....So far everyone thinks we need some guns.

[POWERJIM]

Originally Posted by Noir

Lol....So far everyone thinks we need some guns.

Everyone wants to be free thats why!

[tryin2gain]

Its my right as an adult. I should be able to carry a firearm. When I hit 21 I plan on purchasing a pistol, most likely a H&K USP .45. I like firing weapons (hell I joined the army) and plan on taking it to the ranges, or up north to my land.

My state (wisconsin) came so close to passing the concealed carry law. It passes, the governor vetoed it, and it missed 2/3 majority by 1 vote. Man was I pissed.

[POWERJIM]

Originally Posted by tryin2gain

Its my right as an adult. I should be able to carry a firearm. When I hit 21 I plan on purchasing a pistol, most likely a H&K USP .45. I like firing weapons (hell I joined the army) and plan on taking it to the ranges, or up north to my land.

My state (wisconsin) came so close to passing the concealed carry law. It passes, the governor vetoed it, and it missed 2/3 majority by 1 vote. Man was I pissed.

Americans will loose the right to Bare arms within 10 years im sure, you guys dont have long till your also subject just like us Brits. The New World Order is coming into play!

[tryin2gain]

Originally Posted by POWERJIM

Americans will loose the right to Bare arms within 10 years im sure, you guys dont have long till your also subject just like us Brits. The New World Order is coming into play!

I think the NRA has too much political influence to let that happen on a national scale. The southern states will never allow it.

[POWERJIM]

Originally Posted by tryin2gain

I think the NRA has too much political influence to let that happen on a national scale. The southern states will never allow it.

Predicted socio-political changes

The literature promoting belief in this conspiracy, some of which is listed below, predicts changes that will occur as the NWO is implemented. A representative sample (although mostly phrased in an American context) includes:

Enforced Political Correctness
Gradual loss of civil liberties, with the Constitution