interesting question i think...

[hemiman]

ok... i have a question.. this might be a dumb question and u all might know the answer... but.. all the supplements that say that they do somthing to your muscles.. like.... pump them up or... w/e.... well... wouldnt it effect your heart... since its a muscle??

just a question i thought i would ask.. i didnt know where it belonged.. so i put it here...

[Cammo]

The only workout your heart really gets is when your cardiorespiratory system is in overdrive or your adrenaline levels are up - yes your heart gets stronger (and larger) but it doesn't get trained with resistance so I can't see to many supplements having too much of an effect - they may be helping to screw up your arteries though.

[jproudj]

I don't know very much about current research into supps but I believe the jury is still out as to the effect of creatine long term on the heart.

Some supps definitely do affect the heart/circulatory system, it's what they're designed for - raise metabolism rate, body temp, vascularity etc - they cause palpitations and related problems for some people - may be just annecdotal evidence. I'm pretty sure ephedra was banned for causing heart-related problems (whether or not it did I have no idea)

As to the 'pump' like with NO Explode, not sure... but supps like that affect all the circulatory system not just the vessels in your arms so I see where you're coming from... I guess you only get the effects for a few hours out of 24 each day so your body will probably find it relatively easy to adjust over a period of time. I suppose exercise itself has a similar effect to a lot of supps, just less pronounced, so your body is used to such fluctuation. BUT you don't really wanna make your heart unnaturally 'pumped' I guess?

One thing is for sure, there are no long-term studies on the new crop of stimulant supps, because they are 'new', so you just gotta weigh up the pros and cons.

To be honest I doubt most supplements have enough of a positive effect to have any real long term negative effect (if you see what I mean) ie. most of them are a hyped-up waste of money.

[Babbs]

Originally Posted by jproudj

ie. most of them are a hyped-up waste of money.

QFT..

[mywetnightmares]

They're two different kinds of muscle. The heart is smooth muscle compared to skeletal muscle. One is voluntary the other isn't. As far as some supps being bad for your heart, it depends, too much steak can be bad for your heart. Too much alcohol can be bad for your heart. Too much of pretty much anything can be bad, use things in moderation and you'll be fine. Even AAS can be used with minimal effect on the heart as long as they are used in moderation.