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My Girlfriends Calves @_@
Hi ladies,
So this is going to sound weird... but my GF tends to store fat in her Calves! She claims it is an "Asian Thing" (she is Japanese) and its something that really bothers her and makes her super self conscious about showing her legs. The worst part about it is other then her calves she is quite trim! So here is where I come in... She is asking me for training advice and I really have no clue which way to point her. I've stressed to her that spot reducing fat deposits isn’t really possible, but she is afraid that if she just starts cutting for the purpose of thinning out her calves that the fat is going to come off the wrong places (her chest I suppose?) So anyway... any of you ladies have any thoughts on this? I would appreciate any tips you all might have.
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She has bad genetics. Get a new GF.
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She is in one of my pics that i posted in the "Members Pics" forum. Quote:
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she's cute, so what if she has fat calves...she could workout and while she can't spot reduce, they'll firm up.
or she can tan, tan fat looks better than not tan fat or if she is really upset by it, she could talk to a ps about lipo-dissolve.
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o well, thanks guys and gals.
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I also would have been equally willing to post negative or neutral comments about PGCL had I found the first results to be dissappointing or the experience dangerous. This is a subjective post and you must recognize, as I do, that this is pretty much uncharted territory and no physician in his right mind would approve of these methods for determining PGCL's effect or safety in bodybuiding MEN. The literature on prostoglandins in bodybuilding is very limited. I was greatly helped by articles on Basskiller and Mesomorphosis. You will note in the literature reviews, that many times the dosing information is choppy and you are not sure exactly which prostoglandin the author may be referring to or which prostoglandin PGCL really is ( stronger or weaker ). There is a ton of vetinary information out there on the drug that is used to bring on heat and to induce labor in elephants, cattle, and pigs. But it is hard to find information on fat metabolism, muscle growth, and dosages in males. IP's PGCL: It's ( PG-CL ) and each powder amp is 500 mcg or 1/2 mg. THE PRICE: Pretty pricey although when one actually considers the dramatic physique altering effects that occur with the drug and mild to moderate workouts, it may be very cost effective. Certainly, when placed side by side to HGH, PGCL appears to eliminate fat, at a rate many times that of HGH. One of the most limiting factors of PGCL use appears to be as spoken about elsewhere; the fact is that users get burned out with being a pin cushion and to a lesser degree with the diarrhea that is induced by the drug. Now IP tells me it can be taken at far lower frequencies ( 1 amp every two weeks ) and still be effective. This would truly make the drug dirt cheap. In fact, IP is very concerned about the risks of dosing schedules as high as mine, although I am very comfortable with the startup schedule and dosages I used for the reasons given in this report. However, if it can be shown to be equally effective when taken at lower dosages or frequencies, then obviously that is preferred. AGAIN: This is pretty UNCHARTED TERRITORY and use this drug at YOUR OWN RISK and ONLY if you are a MAN! I would personally not use it if I was attempting to start a family now or in the near future. It is one thing to take the risk on for yourself, but I cannot see how you can in good conscience risk the health of your baby to-be. THE DOSAGE: I found that 1/4cc PGCL is a nice volume to shoot into a muscle with an insulin syringe 29guage X 1/2 needle. You could use more or less volume, but becuase there may be a small bite to the injection, it is rather shallow injection, and there are more small nerves at shot locations then you are use to with gear sticks, 1/4cc feels about right. You clearly get the effects of the drug in what, appeared to me, to be like-manner as when I used 3/4cc of PGCL. Besides, 1/4cc makes it easy to split up in dosages that are suggested for a 220lb male ( approximately 37mcg ). Now I usually get bacteriostatic water from the lab supply store to mix stuff with but I was lazy and I picked up Sterile Normal Saline Eye Wash from the pharmacy section of the grocery store. IP has you buying distilled water and microwaving it, which is cheap and can be easily done. I just don't like gallon jugs as they quickly become breeding grounds for bugs. So I used sterile normal saline and you can use sterile water. Doesn't appear to matter although I am not an expert if you hadn't noticed, LOL. You have many ways to get 12 insulin syringes filled at 1/4 cc from 1 amp of powdered PGCL to give you a shot with approximately 40mcg of drug in it. I personally use a clean one ounce drink shot glass that has been submerged in ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL 91% for 5 minutes and then air dried. With a sterile 3cc syringe, draw up just over 3cc of saline or water. Break the top off the amp ( happy to report these Chinese glass amp tops break easily as they are supposed to ) and put 2 cc in the amp and allow powder to mix into solution. Then withdrawl everything out of amp with syringe and you should be left with a syringe that has just over 3 cc's PGCL solution in it. Shoot the 3cc's PGCL solution into the shot glass and draw up 12 insulin syringes with 1/4cc ( or ml) PGCL each. You now have 12 shots available from one 500mcg amp each. Each shot will have approximately 40 mcg's of PGCL which is the recommended dose ( as far as I can find ) of PGCL for a 220lb MALE. STORAGE: I kept the amps and the readied syringes in a refrigerator. However, in reviewing the vetinary literature, I found that the drug in solution may be kept in a dark place at room temperature. Obviously, keeping the drug refrigerated for elephants in Africa would be a challenge. SHOOTING PGCL: Well it takes a little getting used to as it did the first time you nailed yourself with a 1 1/2 inch 22 or 23 guage needle. It does have a small bite at first and it varies depending on the muscle region you are hitting as there are differences in where pain receptors are between shot locations. But the worst pain that ( which isn't very bad ) is the pain that you already know when you lay the needle close enough to a nerve that the solution volume excerts pressure and you feel alittle pain with inject. Thats why 1/4cc is a good shot volume as it isn't putting a whole lot of volume pressure out at the point of inject. About every 10th injection I did get a small ( dime-size ) bruise from needle/shot trauma. This was ususually associated with jerking the syringe around or repositioning the needle in the muscle using my left non-dominat hand. You will find the bicep an easier muscle to hit the the tricep, DUH!. I never aspirate back, but everyone will tell you you should. THE DOSING SCHEDULE: I am just going to tell you what I did. I based my inject sites, frequency, and dosage on what little literature was available. BEAWARE::: It appears that I may be using well over twice the necessary amount of drug needed. I shot ( two 40 mcg. injects ) 2 - 3 times a day ( 4 - 6 total shots ) depending on whether I was working that day or not. On days that you are working you may have to scale back the shots, or not do them at all, as the need to use the bathroom in quick order is there everytime you inject. ON WORK DAY: I would do 1 shot at work at a time when I knew that 20 minutes to 1 -1/2 hours after I injected I could spend 1 - 3 ( 5 - 10 minutes breaks ) on the ****ter stinking the place up. I would then shoot some time after dinner being a lttle sensitive to others in the house as far as smell and splatter ( if you know what I mean!! ). ON NON WORK DAYS: I would do 2 shots, 3 times a day at times that made sense as far as ingestion of food and availability of toilet. Now it is clearly a very fast acting drug and there is some literature from bodybuilders suggesting shooting 5 times a day as the anabolic effect may be as short as only 2 hours. May be my 6 shots on NON WORK days should be spread out and limited to 5 shots total. But I am afraid the logistics, as far as toilet use, and other tolerance issues, make me comfortable with my shot schedule ( again that is ( 2 ) 40mcg shots, 3 times a day where they make sense ) THE SHOT PAIN/SORENESS: You will read about having 64 possible shot locations and the need to rotate the shots between muscles, locations and workout days. I am going to tell you my experience is different. I am 6 days into it and shooting only my biceps and triceps. I did shoot my chest once, my quads once and my calves once and the bowels moved about the same degree with each location. It maybe becuase I am actually hitting my system with 80 mcg with each inject session so proxcimity to the guty may be a mute point as the ****s going to roll ( or slip out of you!! ) anyhow. I experience muscle soreness for about as long as the drug remains active which I would guesstimate at 1-3 hours. I have experienced nothing debilitating as far as muscle pain and I can inject the muscle over and over again. I can work the muscle moderately hard, get a great pump, without any consideration of whether I shot the muscle that day or not. Now your experience may be different as I know from experience with shooting IP's oils forever it seems that while I rarely ever had sensitivity some guys would get tremendous adverse reactions at the injection site. DO YOU UNDERSTAND: That I shoot two shots into the identical areas of the bilateral muscle with every shot episode. So during the 1 -3 sessions a day, I shoot one bicep or tri area and then try to shoot immediately the same area on the other arm. Thats how I get 80mcg's of drug with every inject session. WHAT ELSE AM I ON: I am on HRT and don't cycle anymore as I can't grow on cycles that include up to 2 grams of test a week. I am over 50 and my test levels are managed by a physician who uses lozenges to keep me at a level of someone about 30. You will never grow on HRT, but if you time it right sometime after 40 when your muscle mass starts to dwindle, get on it and you may blunt the muscle loss. How long??? we will find out!!! I also take armidex and procepia, but that is really it. Oh I am doing PWO slin and Maxy Waize just to augment the muscle fullness if I can. Only on workout days. I do 75mg -100 mg of ephedrine HCL preworkout and I have noticed a blunted effect of ephedrine since being on PGCL. I would say 30% less of a boost. THE SHOT LOCATIONS: Like I said above, I am not rotating muscles beyond the two I have chosen to experiment on. My Biceps and my Triceps. I am only doing the lateral head of the triceps for reasons that will become obvious to you when you go to hitting the tricep muscle by yourself. ************************************************** ******* THE SIDE EFFECTS: Your experience may be different and my experiment may be dangerous for some MALES. In fact, IP is very concerned about the risks of dosing schedules as high as mine although I am very comfortable with the schedule and dosages I used for the reasons given in this report. However, if it can be shown to be equally effective when taken at lower dosages or frequencies then obviously this is preferred. AGAIN: This is pretty UNCHARTED TERRITORY and use this drug at YOUR OWN RISK and ONLY if you are a MAN! I would personally not use it if I was attempting to start a family now or in the near future. It is one thing to take the risk on for yourself, but I cannot see hopw you can in good conscience risk the health of your baby to-be. THE SCARIEST EFFECT: Was on the first or second day of use when doing shrugs, on about the 4th set the area around my adam's apple started to tighten up. Now the first thought is that the airway could close down as with anaphalactic shock. I stopped the exercise and the sensation quickly subsided. That was the only time I experienced that feeling. PGCL is a smooth muscle constrictor and today I think I may have just triggered some smooth muscle in my neck or possibly the lower windpipe to contract. Understanding it doesn't make it any safer, if your airway should close off, you won't be worrying about muscle size anymore. NAUSEA: Truthfully, it was only the first day that I almost felt ( when the drug was peaking in my system, around 1 hour or so ) like vomiting. I didn't, it never got to the point of heaves. That 1st and 2nd day was one of fatique and a feeling of sickness mostly when the drug was peaking. THE ****TER: This is probably the biggest nuisance, but may also be one of the most beneficial aspects of the drug. You will need a bathroom for diarrhea 1 - 3 times within the 1st 20 min to 1 1/2 hours after injecting the dosages I used. The drug causes spontaneous abortions in females through smooth muscle contractions. In men this drug causes you to spontaneously abort much of what you have in your GI track, as well as, your bladder through the same mechanism. It doesn't seem to get better, it happens everytime, and there were a couple times that I would have **** my pants ( at work ) if I did not have a toilet readily available. The good news is ( despite a puckered *******, LOL ) you develop a tolerance and it becomes a fairly easy thing to manage, but how many times can you admit to your family in a week period, you have the runs? Seems a little weird!! BODYTEMP: You read about sweating and increase in body temperature when people are describing the effects when drug is peaking in your system. In my experience I had a consistent drop in body temperature 36.3 - 36.9 degrees celcius when peaking ( at about 1 hour or when you are compelled to the bathroom ). Much of the day my hands and feet where cold and so it appears to me that I peripherally shut down due to vasoconstriction of blood vessels in my hands and feet. It may be a compensatory reaction to the sudden loss of water volume intravascularily through the massive shifting of water into the GI tract causing, near-explosive, diarrhea. Just speculation as is all of this report. SITE PAIN / MUSCLE SORENESS: As noted above: small bite with injection, soreness for me while drug levels were high and nothing that prevents me from working that muscle or re-hitting the site. CRAMPING: Some cramping thats confined to the hands mostly every day once or twice that subsides. I attributed this to electrolyte loss from diarrhea and diuresis. BRUISING: Like I said above, small, dime-size, bruises about every 10th inject from muscle trauma I speculate was cuased by me jerking the syringe and needle around with my non-dominant hand. ************************************************** ******* THE RESULTS: WEIGHT LOSS: In 5 days, I lossed 9 lbs. Much of this was water, but it was also significantly fat. Vascularity has been brought out by a reduction of the fat sheath on arms and legs. Belt size shortened about 1 inch. ARM SIZE: In 5 days, approximately 1 inch, added to my Bicep/tricep measurement post workout of the arms. About 18 to 19 inches with the muscle staying fuller throughout day. Come on,,, I am over 50, how big did you think I would be??? bigger than most!! HORNYNESS: Some users of prostoglandins report increase in Libido. I would say mine was enhanced slightly, but this maybe more of a placebo effect. In younger men this effect maybe more pronounced or it may not have any effect on libido. PURELY SPECULATION / BABBLING What makes this drug so interesting for rapid weight loss is that you are emptying the gut periodically throughout the day and depriving the body of calories and electrolytes. However unlike caloric restrictive diets of say, less that 1000 calories a day, you are able to eat normally ( if not overeat ) and not suffer through the psychological pain of strict dieting. You may also prevent the re-setting of the metabolism that occurs when the body thinks you are depriving it. But I am convinced, that in addition to diuresis, the drug is causing food in the small intestine to not get fully absorbed, but be evacuated out of the body. Whether there is actually increased fat metabolism occuring ( the burning up or "killing" ) of fat cells that one reads about from prostoglandins I can't tell. I do not see heat occuring which would lead me to believe that my metabolism was increased. I do see one of the most pain free and profound weight loss through diuresis and decreased nutritional absorbtion that I have ever experienced, or heard of. If you are a fighter trying to make weight, take 80 mcgs of PGCL, and within 2 hours you maybe as much as 5 pounds lighter. One gallon of water weighs 8 lbs and I didn't weigh it, LOL, but that first shot/**** was about 1 /2 gallon of pretty toxic stuff. I would certainly consider gatoraid/pedi-lite drinks throughout day if in fact, we agree there is a serious loss of electrolites ocurring. There is obvious muscle swelling due to inflamation of the muscle. How can this be anabolic?? It is fluid! It must be stretching fascia? But is it anymore stretching than if I was on 2 grams of test?? Time will tell. I have 5-6 more amps to do in my arms. What are the health consequenses in men?? Hell I don't know, but in rats given tons of the drug, it appears that any negative effects subsided with discontinuation of the drug. Tolerance issues: most people seem to tolerate and learn to manage the ****ter, but it appears that 2 months is the maximum that people want to be a pincushion or to just manage the logistics associated with PGCL. My intuition tells me that I will do 8 amps into my Biceps and Tris and then take a break and evaluate the longer term effects. I think a 10amp package for $250 from China and 500mg of test a week will get you a 1-2 month bridging cycle between steroid use. IP tells me he may bring this price down and both he and the remailers will be stocking up on PGCL in the next couple weeks. IN SUMMARY: I have done DNP and could not tolerate it beyond day two. It was probably the most frightening experience along with just the discomfort from heat. DNP is nasty stuff and frommy perspective the kind of stuff physiologically that if you show up in the ER with serious side effects, they aren't going to have a clue other than ice packs as to how to treat you. In other words they are as apt to turn the negative effects up as much as turn them down. It wouldn't surprise me if death occurs occaissionally with DNP use. I have used as much as 700ius of HGH over a few months and while I did recognize fat loss, it came at a significant price. No this is very interesting stuff that I think warrants a try without more than base test, and without HGH. It is cool stuff in that you can painlessly diet and ( with a little site pain ) manipulate muscle size all within a matter of days. I do not know if the muscle swelling will occur in people with little or no muscle mass. I suspect that like steroids, there won't be much of a size increase without mass.
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I like when he says: "on about the 4th set the area around my adam's apple started to tighten up. Now the first thought is that the airway could close down as with anaphalactic shock" That would be my first thought too..
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I'm about half way through the 28-page thread on Elite about this stuff. Sounds pretty sweet, besides the constant dookies......
You gonna try it mitch?
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good post:
"i decided to try sub-q for a while and it has been a week now. i tried it once before for a few days but wasnt impressed. but i changed things around some this time. before i was splitting the shot between love handles, this time i have been putting one whole injection on one side, and later the next one goes to the other side, and then later that day the last one goes right above the belly button. i dont know how much weight i've actually lost, but i can tell a huuuuuuuuge difference in my mid section. even if the weight hasnt gone down....it is quite noticeable that the body fat has. i now have a 4 pack, with some definition starting to show on the outskirts of the abdomine, and my love handles have dropped tremendously. a 4 pack may not sound like much on a steroid/body builder forum, but i had a nice fat round belly a month ago. i have muscle underneath, because i am required to do abdominal exercise when i can to support my back injury. but i would say that if i had 25% body fat before...i wouldnt doubt it's at 15% now. i havent looked this thin since my twenties. now granted i've noticed a small strength loss, not much but some. so i think i am going to restart my anavar/proviron cycle again at low dose to keep muscle state anabolic. point made....i'm ****ing happy today. going to the gym tonight and will find weight update. other cool thing is, i bought 20 amps of this stuff and i've only used 5. and i'm guessing i'm down about 12 pounds (was 10 last week) thought about comboing this with some dnp (low dose) to see if the fat would become non existant....except i'm scared of dnp. who knows, i've got time and plenty pgcl left."
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