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Old 05-21-2007, 08:15 AM
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I',m 5'6", 70 Kgs and have been working out for the past one year. Improvement is seen on majority of the body parts, however, my arms are just not responding. I used to workout individual body parts :-

Monday - Back
Tuesday - Chest
Wednesday - Shoulders
Thursday - Bisceps
Friday - Triceps
Saturday - Legs
Sunday - Off

From past three months I have changed my workout plan

Monday , Wednesday & Friday - Chest, Back, Legs
Tuesday, Thursday & Saturday - Shoulders, Bisceps & Triceps
Sunday - Off

I really need to see some improvement in my arms...kindly help/suggest
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Old 05-21-2007, 09:28 AM
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Your arms are not growing because you are overtraining them severely.
They get virtually no rest and get worked 6 straight days????? WTF?

Monday , Wednesday & Friday - Chest, Back, Legs
The triceps are heavily involved in benching and the biceps are heavily involved in all back exercises that are pulling movements (rows, etc).
So your arms are being worked every other day throughout the week just with these scheduled days.

Tuesday, Thursday & Saturday - Shoulders, Bisceps & Triceps
And now you kill the arms with isolation exercises every other day on top of the other work they get...wow!
So again, basically your arms are getting worked for 6 straight days!!!

NO REST = NO GROWTH

I'd switch to TWICE PER WEEK TRAINING.
Maybe a push/pull routine like this

M- Back/Leg/Biceps
T - Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
W - Off
T- Back/Leg/Biceps
F - Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
S - Off
S - Off

The Biceps get hit on Monday, then they get 2 full days of rest to recover before hitting them again and then they get 3 days recovery.... and the same principle applies to triceps.

This is a much more effective way of training
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Old 05-21-2007, 09:46 AM
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Definately training way too much, my friend. You have to change that routine to get some rest in there because rest is one of your friends to help you grow along with diet and a good routine.

Take a look around in the logs for some routine ideas, and what BGLD posted is good as well. You need rest in there.
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Old 05-23-2007, 10:00 AM
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Thanks for the feedback...this is really helpful...
Also, please let me know the exercises which would be more effective for each of the body parts...
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Old 05-23-2007, 10:14 AM
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Well the routine I listed above, is what I am doing now.
These are the exercises I am using currently.
You can alter it to fit your training, but this schedule of training is far superior to what you are doing now, so I highly suggest the change.

Mon - Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
Flat bench
Flyes
Military Press
Lateral side raises
Rear lateral raises
Cable Pressdowns
Barbell extensions


Tue - Back/Legs/Biceps
Wide grip pulldowns
Seated cable rows
Bent over BB rows
High face pulls
Shrugs
BB curls
DB incline curls
Hammer curls
Calf raises

Wed - OFF

Thur - Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
Incline bench
Incline flyes
Arnold presses
Lateral Side raises
Rear raises
Rope pressdowns
Skullcrushers


Fri - Tue - Back/Legs/Biceps
Deadlifts
Squats
Shrugs
Preacher curls
Spider curls
DB curls
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Fri - Tue - Back/Legs/Biceps
Deadlifts
Squats
Shrugs
Preacher curls
Spider curls
DB curls
Both of these on the same day... OUCH!!!!!!!

I hear my back telling me fvck you!
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Old 05-23-2007, 10:26 AM
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Both of these on the same day... OUCH!!!!!!!

I hear my back telling me fvck you!
haha i know mine wld be
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Old 05-23-2007, 10:43 AM
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I do them together for a few weeks at a time to kick up the intensity.
But "most people" should seperate on different days of course, especially newbs.

Normally I do something like this....

Tue - Back/Legs/Biceps
Deadlifts
Bent over BB rows
Shrugs
BB curls
DB incline curls
Hammer curls
Calf Raises

Fri - Tue - Back/Legs/Biceps
Squats
W/G pulldowns
Seated rows
Face pulls
Preacher curls
Spider curls
DB curls
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Old 05-23-2007, 11:05 AM
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Well the routine I listed above, is what I am doing now.
These are the exercises I am using currently.
You can alter it to fit your training, but this schedule of training is far superior to what you are doing now, so I highly suggest the change.

Mon - Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
Flat bench
Flyes
Military Press
Lateral side raises
Rear lateral raises
Cable Pressdowns
Barbell extensions


Tue - Back/Legs/Biceps
Wide grip pulldowns
Seated cable rows
Bent over BB rows
High face pulls
Shrugs
BB curls
DB incline curls
Hammer curls
Calf raises

Wed - OFF

Thur - Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
Incline bench
Incline flyes
Arnold presses
Lateral Side raises
Rear raises
Rope pressdowns
Skullcrushers


Fri - Tue - Back/Legs/Biceps
Deadlifts
Squats
Shrugs
Preacher curls
Spider curls
DB curls
Honestly, for someone his size i think thats too much as well. I would try this
Monday- Chest, shoulders, triceps
Wednesday- Back, biceps
Friday- legs
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Old 05-23-2007, 11:22 AM
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Anything is an improvement from what he is doing now

But a newb can certainly do my split, it just needs to be toned down, more basic.

Lets use Chest/Shoulders/Tricep day as an example for a newb.
Here would be my recommendation

Flat bench
Incline bench
Military Press
BB extensions

Basic, yet mostly compound movements..>Much less volume making it totally possible for a newb
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Honestly, for someone his size i think thats too much as well. I would try this
Monday- Chest, shoulders, triceps
Wednesday- Back, biceps
Friday- legs
No way I'm squatting 2 days after deads. I'd rather do them on the same day. But not 2x per week on the same day (if I'm using any volume whatsoever).

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I just looked at what this thread was about, and nobody has said anything about eating more. If you're arms are going to grow an inch, most people had better expect to put some serious poundage on the scales... It varies for everyone based on their size, but if he wants to see the tape move, he needs to be gaining a lot of weight...

I have no idea what you're doing, but if it isn't centered around some heavy ass benching, squatting and deads don't expect your arms to grow.

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Honestly, for someone his size i think thats too much as well. I would try this
Monday- Chest, shoulders, triceps
Wednesday- Back, biceps
Friday- legs
I think it would be better to do it this way:

Monday- legs
Wednesday- Push
Friday- pull
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exactly, lots of benchin squattin deadliftin eatn and sleepin. arms WILL grow then
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Yep, at 70kg, I'd be concerned with making EVERYTHING GROW. The arms will follow, just feed the snakes.
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So I see biggerguns hits each bodypart twice a week. I currently hit each about once, maybe thats what I'm doing wrong...
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even tho hes got 2 days considered back/legs he is NOT doing squats and deads twice...the one leg day the only leg work he does is calves

Push, pull, Legs is your friend...simple and very effective

dont over analyze...just move as much weight as u can on the compounds, eat and sleep.
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This has probably already been mentioned but.......

Set your priorities

1) Consistancy
2) Diet. You need calories, alot of calories, alot of calories from protein.
3) Heavy compound movements. So heavy that you cant do more than 5 reps. Sets to failure should not be the norm.
4) Heavy isolation movements to supplement your heavy compounds.
5) Rest for your body, and rest for your mind. Dont overdo it. More is not better.
6) Come to understand how your body feels after your workout and the following days. Make that mind body connection so you can learn to adjust your routine to suit your own physical abilities.

Follow these guidelines and your arms will grow along with the rest of your body as well. Then again. If your arms are like my shoulders, you just might be SOL.
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Going off of the whole routein suggestion and adding to Traps. I think finding out how to read your body is a HUGE thing when it comes to anything to do with health. Everyones different. What works for some might not work for you.

With that said, you can keep going through the movements and yes you will gain. Or you can read your body and maximize your gains.

I can tell if its going to be a good day even before I walk in the gym. I have read my body enough to know that a bowl of cereal and 2x honey oat granola bars give me more pre workout energy than the average NO product.

But as a starter package, eat alot and lift heavy.
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I think it would be better to do it this way:

Monday- legs
Wednesday- Push
Friday- pull
That sounds better. Thats actually the split i did for a couple months, im not really sure why i wrote push/pull/legs instead.
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