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06-09-2006, 09:21 AM
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Can you beat genetics?
Ever feel like no matter what you do, you can't defeat your genetics? I've been training perfect for about a year, and the last month I have eaten PERFECT, done my cardio, and lifted 4 times a week. I can see my upper two abs and they are pretty defined, but I just can't shed the spare tire and see the last 2.... Is there a point where you just say, "It's not possible", or can everyone acheive a six pack? I'm about 9% body fat, and I'm guessing i need to get to 7% to see all 6 abs, my question is, can everyon get there?
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06-09-2006, 09:28 AM
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I feel the same way but with me i think that maybe i need surgery to really expose my abs cuz i was a fat kid growing up and i seem to have a good amount of loose skin. I also feel that genetically my metabolism is low cuz i can gain fat soo easily and so it hard for me to imagine what it would be like when people complain that they cant gain weight no matter what they do and are naturally cut do to low bf.
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06-09-2006, 09:56 AM
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Everyone can achieve a 6 pack but not everyone can REVEAL a 6 pack. I use to think that I was genetically predisposed to be chairman of the 95lb bench press club. That was until 2 years ago. Somehow, @ 42 years old, all my reading and exercise knowledge just clicked in with my body. I know that I have a 6 pack, maybe even and 8 pack, but do reach that 5-10% bodyfat range would require me to alter my diet far beyond what I do now. I do not want to compete, I do not want to be all veiny. I do want to be defined and look like I am healthy. Hence no visible 6 pak.
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06-09-2006, 10:19 AM
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Blaming it on genetics is a cop out. Obviously you haven't been eating or training perfectly, if not becuase you would be growing, but because it takes years to figure out what diet and training work for you.
Train for a decade or so, make barely any gains, try every kind of training and diet out there, and THEN you can start to talk about genetics.
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06-09-2006, 10:35 AM
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how old are you and how long have you been training? only I've been told that steroids allow you to go above your natural limits, allowing you to gain more muscle than you would have been able to naturally...
Not for everyone though, you've gotta be old enough and have been training long enough...even then you've gotta know what you're doing ps - I'm not saying do steroids, lol, I've lost track of what I was saying actually...
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06-09-2006, 10:45 AM
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I think anyone can do it. Its just alot harder for some. For those thats its harder for it obviously takes longer and they get discouraged and quit. It takes time to get to know your body and time to SLOWLY make changes. Drastic changes dont usually last for very long. So be patient and keep plugging away. BTW, if youre really at 9% you should see a 6 pack all day long. When I was at 11% I could start to see mine pretty good.
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06-09-2006, 11:14 AM
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Honestly thats just a rude comment.... Why not get some specifics from me rather than calling it a "cop out".... Gains are not the problem, in less than a year I've put on 15 lbs of muscle, got up as hight as benching 285 and brought my squats over 300, curling over 135 on a straight bar... I train my @$$ off, trust me.
I've been tested as recently as 2 weeks ago, solid 9%, no six pack, but everything else is ripped, just not the last 2 abs. I'm 26, been training since I was about 18, but only serious/hardcore the last 2 years. Did Max-OT over the winter and it was the best routine I've ever done. Trying HGM to get rid of the last 2% I need to lose. Thanks for the feedback other than Caferacer.
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06-09-2006, 11:18 AM
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In the words of Arnold: "The mind is the limit".
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06-09-2006, 11:19 AM
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If youre truly at 9% then this might be as simple as training the abs harder as they might be lagging a little. I dont wanna outright doubt you but to be at 9% and still have a spare tire is something ive never seen b4. 9% is very lean. Most pro football players arent below 10% and im talkin the lean ones like DB's and WR's. I dont think you need to be at 7% to show em. I know guys at 10% with a nice 6 pack. What your ab routine now?
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06-09-2006, 11:36 AM
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getting very low body fat is not easy, but it can be done by the average joe if they know nutrition / training an have the heart to push themselves train your lower abs heavy an drink plenty of green tea anything and everything is possible
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06-09-2006, 11:43 AM
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Is this 9% body fat your "estimate"??? As I doubt you are 9%.... If so you'd have a complete 6pack visible. Also how can you expect to eat so called "perfect" for only 30 days and see the results you are looking for? It's too early....It's like hearing someone say they started lifting weights and it's been a month and they havent seen anything...Patience is a virtue my friend Last edited by BiggerGuns=LongerDrives; 06-09-2006 at 11:45 AM.
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06-09-2006, 12:53 PM
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My fault if it came off as an ego problem, not the case at all. I wouldn't be posting here if I wasn't trying to learn. So maybe perfect is the wrong word choice, my bad. I don't go nuts training abs, and maybe i need to pick that up a little more. I realize you guys don't believe me that i'm at 9% but as far as the trainer's caliper reads, thats what a i was so that's all I can tell you.
I'll just continue training and and eating right, just was starting to doubt it would be possible. Anyway thanks again for the responses.
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06-09-2006, 12:56 PM
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Well the calipers are the most accurate. Just keep up doing what you are doing and I am sure you will get there. It's not impossible, it just takes time like everything with training does. Dont let impatience get in the way of your goals good luck bro
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06-09-2006, 01:03 PM
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Maybe look at your ab routine a little more and up the cardio a little. I have similar problems with the fat on my body. I have little to no fat on my legs and arms (literally almost zero), but my chest and "spare tire" area seem to deposit fat when I am bulking...It is hard to get rid of too.
This might (if all of the facts/ numbers are true/ correct) also be an instance where a ECA stack might be appropriate. I, ordinarily, never recommend "fat burners", but if you are truly 9% (or close) and your diet/cardio/ routine are all solid and you still can't lose that last bit of fat...It might be just what the doctor ordered...
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06-09-2006, 01:04 PM
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Calipers are more accurate than BMI charts or bodyfat scales but still can be off up to 3% either way because of operator error. Very few ppl know how to operate them properly and consistently including trainers. The only thing I would trust is hydrostatic weighing. Deadly accurate.
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06-09-2006, 04:28 PM
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If you have been training 2 years you are no where near saying you can train and eat perfectly, whether you like to hear it or not. No one is, and you aren't that special. Maybe it hasn't quite hit you yet, but you will reach a point where even with what you know, there is 1,000X more to learn about the subject in lifting. You know enough to know you know nothing. To think otherwise is ignorant, and everyone would be huge in 2-3 years if that was the case, or would stop because genetics are limiting them. Bodybuilders don't spend years and years perfecting their diet and don't get it dialed in, what makes you so arrogant as to think you have figured it out in 2? To say that in 2 years you are having problems with your genetics as to putting on muscle or cutting, it insults everyone who has worked to figure out a way to get over genetics and have done so. Maybe they should just say 'it's genetics' and stop trying to better themselves.
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