Vplayer's Article is Wrong?

[Blusnayl]

It is said in Vplayer's Article, that if you stock up on simple carbs after your workout, then it is good for you because it releases more insulin, and the insulin manipulates the growth hormone in your body to be more affective. Now I've just read an article that states the EXACT OPPOSITE is true.

http://www.arthurdevany.com/archives...ttles_s_1.html

Here's the direct quotation:

"When glucose become elevated after the sports or other drink or bar, the body switches from using fat to using glucose, insulin is released in response to this and the effectiveness of growth hormone is diminished."

It's very annoying and frustrating when two official, respectable sources have directly opposing facts. Anywho, as it stands, I think I am going to stop on stacking up on simple carbs after a workout, unless someone has more information to post.

[NiteHawk]

Well, yes and no.

You do need the simple carbs after postworkout to cause an insulin spike. This will help the absorption of amino acids, carbs, and fatty acids into your muscles.

However, excess insulin does reduce levels of testosterone and growth hormone. Excess insulin is also stored as fat.

[Blusnayl]

Originally Posted by NiteHawk

Well, yes and no.

You do need the simple carbs after postworkout to cause an insulin spike. This will help the absorption of amino acids, carbs, and fatty acids into your muscles.

However, excess insulin does reduce levels of testosterone and growth hormone. Excess insulin is also stored as fat.

I see, thank you good sir, how many grams of simple carbs should you have after a workout? I've been taking about 50-60 grams of simple carbs post workout.

Originally Posted by Blusnayl

I see, thank you good sir, how many grams of simple carbs should you have after a workout? I've been taking about 50-60 grams of simple carbs post workout.

i take 30 - 40.....

[fadi]

There are two reasons for carbs in your post workout meal:

1. Your body's glucose storage is drained and you want to replenish it. If you do not take your carbs, then the body will use some of the amino acids for energy rather than as building blocks of various elements the body needs.
2. By taking simple carbs, your blood sugar will spike causing the insulin release which will attempt to remove the glucose from the blood and shuttle them into the cells which will cary nutritions and amino acids with them. An alternative is to take R-ALA which could simulate insulin spikes for shuttling of nutriants but you still have to deal with the first issue. If cutting, this could be a good alternative.

As far as how much simple carbs, no one really knows because it varies from one person to another. Personally, I think 30-50g is fine but you need to find the right balance for you.

[Blusnayl]

Awesome, thanks for the responses guys.

[Administrator]

I've always gone for 80-100g

[mywetnightmares]

I use a bunch of carbs and GXR. It's awesome, I'm not gonna lie.

[Blusnayl]

Originally Posted by Administrator

I've always gone for 80-100g

Hm that's coming from the Administrator, I am guessing he knows what he is talking about.

[Vplayer]

I want to thank NiteHawk and Fadi and everyone else who pitched in to answer this question. But I mostly want to thank Blusnayl for asking it.


The information in my article, or any other piece of information about fitness and bodybuilding for that matter, always has two sides. Ive found through experience that when it comes to fitness and bodybuilding, the only thing written in stone is that there is nothing written in stone. I higly advise that everyone who reads my article or any other bit of information take whatever numbers, or lack thereof, simply as a guideline, not gospel. Me, for example....... according to my article I should be taking in anywhere from 80-100 grams of simple carbs. But as Ive frown older, Im finding that I gain bodyfat by doing that even though that goes against every bit of workout nutrition Ive ever read. So now I dont even use any simple carbs in my PWO shake.


I know its annoying to see so much conflicting information. I see it all the time because Im in constant research mode. So what I personaly do is absorb what I read and then see how it is applying in the real world. I read member journals of those who seem to know what they're doing. I read posts and more posts on any and all the message boards I can come accross. I read books on end. Then I ask fellow lifters. What I do then is look for a middle. What I have found out about simple carbs after workouts is that that plan is benefitting a vast majority of the people than not. So then, which way do you think I will go when I offer advise? I will say simply to TRY the simple carbs, even though I myself no longer use any. I say try them and adjust them either up or down as you see results. So then no matter WHAT any article of study or piece of information says, you will know what works FOR YOU. And thats the bottom line.


So, Blusnayl, what I will say is dont eliminate simple carbs altogether. Not now. Try them and start at a given number, say 100. Or even 80. Or 60 - whatever you want. Then each week lower that number and pay close attention to how you feel and recover. Thats really the only way that you're going to see if its true in your case or not. And since its YOU thats lifting the weights, what does it matter if someone else does it differently? Its what works for YOU that should be important.

[glasspro51]

Classy response V, I still follow pretty closely what you post, I seems you have done the research to back up your threads. By the way your the one who got me started using Dextrose and it helped me.

[jimmytorso]

Like fadi suggested.
R-ALA is a great alternative.
By using r-ala I havnt gained weight as fast but im not getting all of that belly fat either.
But then again it could be that this supp is actualy doing nothing 4 me and by just cutting those simple carbs im not gaining all that fat? Its still hard to tell right now.
If you have money 2 blow I recommend just trying it out for awhile and see how things change for you.

[Vplayer]

Originally Posted by glasspro51

Classy response V, I still follow pretty closely what you post, I seems you have done the research to back up your threads. By the way your the one who got me started using Dextrose and it helped me.

Thank you for remembering me and thank you for the props. It means a lot to me when my help actually does someone good.

Originally Posted by i3041

yep, VPlayer is a class act all the way. He's helped me a lot too for sure.

Thats one of the biggest compliments Ive ever had. Thank you. I mean it. Now please stop using my picture as your avatar

[Blusnayl]

Thanks Vplayer, I appreciate the response. I understand what you are saying. Finding your own specific needs is the key, there's no universal formula, it varies from person to person. Your article helped me a great deal, it was one of the first articles I read on bodybuilding, and helped me move forward much faster without having to first experience trial and error for myself.