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Old 05-29-2008, 09:49 AM
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Default Is it OK to depend on WHEY as the main source of protein...

I am a vegetarian....and have abundant sources of healthy carbohydrates, fats, vitamins etc in my diet. However, a vegetarian diet doesnt have comparable sources of complete proteins, compared to a non0-vegetarian diet. I have been doing a lot of cardio and been focussed on loosing for abt 4 months, nd have lost abt 20 kgs...

Gonna start bulking up in abt a week...i wud have to increase protein intake too...so is it ok to be dependent on whey protein supplements for most of my proteins?? I can take one scoop after my normal meals...several times a day...wud it still help me get the gains?????
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Whey is a supplement and should only be used as such.

supplement : an addition to something to increase its size or make up for a deficiency

But your question really pertains to vegetarian bodybuilding.
I do know this, relying on Whey for your protein is better than not having protein in the diet at all.
But you do know that you can get your protein from plenty of other non-meat sources right?
Eggs, Tofu, Garbanzo beans, etc



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Like Tommy said its really not ok to depend on Whey as your only protein source, can you eat eggs at all?
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I'm in the same boat bud

been vegan for 10 years now and yes I get protein from beans, tofu, vegetarian meat subs but the majority of my protein comes in the form of WHEY. WHEY is the only animal source food I eat now because you can't beat the bio-availability of WHEY

The only thing it can hurt is your wallet..lol
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If its got a full essential amino acids profile eat it, if it hasnt then combined it with something that has like eggs.
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I'm in the same boat bud

been vegan for 10 years now and yes I get protein from beans, tofu, vegetarian meat subs but the majority of my protein comes in the form of WHEY. WHEY is the only animal source food I eat now because you can't beat the bio-availability of WHEY

The only thing it can hurt is your wallet..lol
Is Soy that much of a drop off from Whey?
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Is Soy that much of a drop off from Whey?
BV rating of WHEY is about 104

Soy is 80-85


WHEY is definitely the king of proteins
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I dont have eggs either. And yea, cheese tofu garbanzo beans soya, there are several protein sources, but when increasing intake to say 250gms or so, whilst keeping calories in check, wont whey suplements be a better option??? And from what i read here in the posts, its da most complete form, and has da highest biological value...m using ON 100% whey gold btw...

so say if i get abt 150gms from suplements..and abt 50-100 gms from foods, wud dat still work, or most of it shud come from foods??
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The problem with protein shakes is that it's not broken down properly by the body like whole foods. Foods get metabolized slowly and have other vitamins and minerals in them that allows the body to use the protein properly. Whey gets metabolized much more quickly and the body typically doesn't know what to do with that much protein at once so most of it gets wasted. Depending on whey as your main source of protein will get you little to no results. You will, however, get your normal newbie gains when you start lifting but those will come with or without whey.
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I'm in the same boat bud

been vegan for 10 years now and yes I get protein from beans, tofu, vegetarian meat subs but the majority of my protein comes in the form of WHEY. WHEY is the only animal source food I eat now because you can't beat the bio-availability of WHEY

The only thing it can hurt is your wallet..lol

OK....so m confused now...from the conflicting opinions here......

Do proteins coming mainly from whey in the diet provide less gains compared to proteins coming mainly from whole foods then??
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The problem with protein shakes is that it's not broken down properly by the body like whole foods. Foods get metabolized slowly and have other vitamins and minerals in them that allows the body to use the protein properly. Whey gets metabolized much more quickly and the body typically doesn't know what to do with that much protein at once so most of it gets wasted. Depending on whey as your main source of protein will get you little to no results. You will, however, get your normal newbie gains when you start lifting but those will come with or without whey.
Yea i kinda thought abt this too....so wht i was thinking is to have a scoop of whey RIGHT after a meal...and do this 2-3 times a day ....so thats one scoop after evry meal....wud dat still wont work??i wud get vitamins minerals fibre etc from the meal..just the protein wud come from whey....

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OK....so m confused now...from the conflicting opinions here......

Do proteins coming mainly from whey in the diet provide less gains compared to proteins coming mainly from whole foods then??

Yes, significantly less
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Yea i kinda thought abt this too....so wht i was thinking is to have a scoop of whey RIGHT after a meal...and do this 2-3 times a day ....so thats one scoop after evry meal....wud dat still wont work??i wud get vitamins minerals fibre etc from the meal..just the protein wud come from whey....
I dunno man, I say eat a lot of tofu, eggs and other sources of protein. The only time I take shakes is right after lifting and before bed with milk because I don't like to eat right before bed. If I have a shake at some other time it's because food isn't an option for one reason or another.
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If you want to remain vegetarian, you will have to supplement your protein intake with WHEY if you want to body build.

There are some who will say that the vegetarian diet provides sufficient protein for daily requirements but I've never seen a successful vegetarian bodybuilder get by on the min requirements.

As a vegetarian myself there just isn't enough quality protein available in the vegetarian diet without supplementation.

The advantage of supplementing your protein source is your not adding a bunch of extra calories,fat and carbs to get it.

Beans for example have lots of protein but have you seen the carb numbers on them ?....wow
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I dont have eggs either. And yea, cheese tofu garbanzo beans soya, there are several protein sources, but when increasing intake to say 250gms or so, whilst keeping calories in check, wont whey suplements be a better option??? And from what i read here in the posts, its da most complete form, and has da highest biological value...m using ON 100% whey gold btw...

so say if i get abt 150gms from suplements..and abt 50-100 gms from foods, wud dat still work, or most of it shud come from foods??
"Keeping Cals in check" if the picture i have of you in my head is right then this really isn't a concern for you home boy.

Now go have a Tofurky sandwich or something!
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"Keeping Cals in check" if the picture i have of you in my head is right then this really isn't a concern for you home boy.

Now go have a Tofurky sandwich or something!

Umm....i recently lost abt 16 kgs...nd have one more week to go till i stop cardio nd starvation diet... Keeping calories in check IS a concern for me. Yea i know bulking up will involve gaining fat weight too...bt wna jus keep dat to as low as possible..

EEEYEA....i was just browsing Optimum Nutrition website...they have a product called ANY WHEY...its an "Unflavored Blend of Premium Whey Proteins" as mentioned on the site, and it says....

"Optimum Nutrition's 100% ANY WHEY Protein is the perfect complement to any meal or snack. This virtually tasteless powder is fat FREE with 17 grams of protein and only 1 gram of carbohydrates. 100% ANY WHEY Protein is the ideal cooking partner. Add a scoop to your yogurt, prepare a protein packed turkey pot pie or whip up a quick protein omelet."


Umm....so does this work?? From what i have heard on this post, combining whey with meals and depend on whey for most of the proteins, isnt as effective. U guys r the xperts...m just gna start bulking up for the first time ever in my mife...when for the first time i have actually managed to loose a significant amount of weight. Have always been obese. And being a vegetarian, i know its hard for me to be gna cook up protein meals evrytime. Just want to make the process as well as i can manage.

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You were on a starvation diet? How incredibly stupid of you.
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You were on a starvation diet? How incredibly stupid of you.
Yea...umm...a mild one that is...1500-1800 calories....with a lot of cardio...and weight training still continued in da gym though...Kept protein intake high throughout...
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