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02-09-2008, 03:38 PM
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skin problem, acne
i got free consultation from a doctor regarding my acne. He asked me if im taking any multi vitamins which i am(gnc mega men) along with ON whey protein. he said it could be thy reason why im breaking out. He told me to stop taking them and see what happens. Do you guys agree? and will i see any withdraw effects since i've been taking this multi vitamin for over 2 years? and what is a good way to clean out my liver? I am pretty shocked thatmy sking problem might be related to my supplements. this now controdicts how i feel about vitamins
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02-09-2008, 06:13 PM
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No withdraw effects from stopping the Mega Man. There is logic in your doctors assumptions that the acne could be from the protein (plenty of people claim this as a result.) I think the big reason this happens b/c the protein itself is dairy and dairy products can play a role with acne. Not sure how a multi-vitamin would cause that? I'm not a doctor though.
Cycle Hawthrone Berry and or Milk Thistle for your liver. Edit - and personally I don't believe the whey is a cause of acne. How old are you?
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02-09-2008, 07:59 PM
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Yea, doctors are quacks. They don't know and start fishing.
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02-09-2008, 09:50 PM
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im 23 years old. I've been taking gnc mega men every day for over 2 years, and ON whey on my work out days 5 days a week for over 2 years. i think im taking moderate amount. 2-3 scoops a day. pre post and before i go to bed. i have pimples during my teen years but nothing severe. Recently i've been breaking out alot, and its just not pimples, but zits deep painful ones that leaves marks/scars. im finding new ones every day. its scaring up my face pretty bad. Im even getting some pimples on my upper body. couple on my chest, and shoulder and one on my arm which is all new to me, which is why i had to get myself checked out.
Now im very concerned with the supplements im taking. wondering if the supplements will back fire and cause other problems. anyone feeling the same way at on point? I found this bit of info on this message board The Acne Puzzle Revealed! - Page 10 - Bodybuilding.com Forums it mentions if someone has acne problems, protein shakes is out of the question. If this is true, this will suck.
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02-10-2008, 11:17 AM
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i was talking to a gym mate about my situation. he added that gnc mega men might contain dhea? (Dehydroepiandrosterone) which can cause acne and other side effects but on the vitamin label i dont see anything like that. he also said iodine might play another role. protein/dextrose shakes can also be hard on the liver. do you guys agree? need your opinion to decide if i need to give up these supps. and maybe even milk
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02-10-2008, 01:22 PM
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02-10-2008, 03:06 PM
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could be the protein? babies get milk spots,how old are you could be your age
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02-11-2008, 12:18 PM
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been off the milk, whey, and vitamins for almost a week now. i notice my acne is improving alot. no new break outs. thats the pro
the cons Now i feel like im not getting the proper nutrition i use to get. i noticed my pants feeling much looser on me. im not as bulky as i was before so i guess i am losing some weight.
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02-12-2008, 02:03 AM
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try to get your protein from something else like meats,beans and nuts?
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02-12-2008, 11:59 AM
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im going to go back on whey and the vitamins again later on, but im gonna start cutting out the milk and all dairy. my instinct is telling me its the milk that is causing the problem. i drink 2 gallons of 2 percent milk in like 4-5 days. I definately feel less bulky, but i also feel more energized through out my day. i feel much quicker when runnning and playing basketball.
until then i need to figure out a new diet that can still help me keep my strength and size. anyone here have a no dairy diet?
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02-12-2008, 01:35 PM
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Taken many of the dairy products or products that have orgin of some base form of a dairy product is high on calroies, which is bad. Otherhand its good on casien - which of course is good.
Cutting this out I don't see how it would give you a burst of energy. To get that you need carbs, not casien or whatever else is in milk. The bulky feeling I understand. Get some good complex/simple carbs in you, keep the protein (meat, oh yeah!) im plentyful amounts and keep your fat in range (.5g's per lb of bodyweight.) All this can be done EASILY without many if at all dairy products.
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02-12-2008, 02:22 PM
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I don't drink milk, but very rarely. I drink all my protein shakes in water and drink water all day long. I buy my milk in the half gallon jugs and end up throwing out half of that because it has gone sour before I drink it. The only dairy I get regularly is from the whey protein powder.
I don't consume enough calories daily yet though. It's kinda odd to think that if I want to lose weight, I need to EAT MORE. I feel like I eat all day long and I have lost 10 pounds on the scale, but I can see that I have put on muscle! I definately eat more than I used to, but it is healthy instead of the crap I was loading up on. meal 1) - 2 servings protein shake, 1/2 cup oatmeal with dried apricots and almonds. meal 2) - 1 serving of my homemade chicken stew meal 3) - 1 serving of my homemade chicken stew and an apple meal 4) - 2 slices of whole grain bread, 4 ounces of deli-turkey and a banana workout meal 5) - 2 servings protein shake meal 6) - 6-8 ounces of chicken breast or fish, 1 cup of veggies meal 7) - 1 cup cottage cheese Totals ca l2294 fat 29 carb 213 pro 270 Take a different multi-vitamin, those mega-men are mega-garbage. Over priced too.
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02-12-2008, 02:40 PM
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There is nothing wrong with taking the Mega Man. I have taken it for years. I only will downfall it b/c the price hence why i'll be switching soon. BUT it's still, quality wise, good!
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03-03-2008, 10:28 PM
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Dextrose is pretty much sugar
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03-03-2008, 11:03 PM
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yes its suppose to spike insulin. trying to figure out if it plays a role in my acne. i started to break out like crazy around the same time i was adding dextrose to my protein shake. at one point i thought it was the protein supplement itself but it doesn't make sense because i have been taking on whey when i started training couple years ago and had no problems until recently. right now i have my acne sorta under control, and would like to supplement my on whey again.
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Is your diet free of hydrogenated oils? These are known to cause various degrees of acne, skin problems, boils and even cysts. The reason is, the body simply does not know what to do with these trans formed oils. Stop consuming foods containing hydrogenated oils (if you are) and continue consuming abundant amounts of water (as an athlete, you should be doing so anyway) to help flush previous hydrogenated oils out of the body.The body will excrete them through the skin, but if it can't excrete them through the skin then that is when boils and cysts develop. Do you use any artificial sweeteners (e.g. aspartame)? Read up on your skin and vitamins in the article I've provided below. Acne is a problem that needs to be addressed superficially but, also internally. Nutrients for Healthy Skin Your acne could also be an adverse reaction to dairy products. It might prove useful to cut out dairy for about a month and see how your skin reacts to the change. Acne occurs when steroids (androgens) stimulate the sebaceous glands within the skin's hair follicles. These glands then secrete an oily substance called sebum. When sebum, bacteria and dead skin cells build up on your skin, the pores become blocked, creating a zit. When teenagers combine their own surging hormones with dietary saturated animal fat, cholesterol, steroid hormones, dead white blood cells, and cow pus, they're gonna get zits. "As pointed out by Dr. Jerome Fisher, 'About 80 percent of cows that are giving milk are pregnant and are throwing off hormones continuously.' Progesterone breaks down into androgens, which have been implicated as a factor in the development of acne...Dr. Fisher observed that his teenage acne patients improved as soon as the milk drinking stopped." Don't Drink Your Milk, by Frank Oski, M.D. (Director, Department of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine) "Acne usually begins at puberty, when an increase in androgens causes an increase in the size and activity of pilosebaceous glands....if a food is suspected, it should be omitted for several weeks and then eaten in substantial quantities to determine if acne worsens." MERCK Manual, Merck & Company, 2000 "Acne is an end-organ hyper-response to androgens...These data show that sebaceous glands are stimulated by androgens to varying degrees and support the theory of an end-organ response in acne." British Journal of Dermatology, 1998 Jul, 139:1 "Acne vulgaris is a self-limiting skin disorder seen primarily in adolescents, whose etiology appears to be multifactorial. The immunologic response involves both humoral and cell-mediated pathways. Further research should clarify the role of complement, cytotoxins, and neutrophils in this acne-forming response." Postgrad Med J, 1999 Jun, 75:884 "Hormones found in cow's milk include: Estradiol, Estriol, Progesterone, Testosterone, 17-Ketosteroids, Corticosterone, Vitamin D, insulin-like growth factor, growth hormone, prolactin, oxytocin..." Journal of Endocrine Reviews, 14(6) 1992 "We studied the effects of growth hormone (GH) and insulin-like growth factors (IGFs), alone and with androgen, on sebaceous epithelial cell growth...IGF-I was the most potent stimulus of DNA synthesis. These data are consistent with the concept that increases in GH and IGF production contribute in complementary ways to the increase in sebum production during puberty." Endocrinology, 1999 Sep, 140:9, 4089-94 "...serum IGF-I levels increased significantly in the milk drinking group?an increase of about 10% above baseline-but was unchanged in the control group." Journal of the American Dietetic Association, vol. 99, no. 10. October 1999 NOTMILK Poster: Z is for ZITS
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Is your diet free of hydrogenated oils? Do you use any artificial sweeteners (e.g. aspartame)? Read up on your skin and vitamins in the article I've provided below. Acne is a problem that needs to be addressed superficially and internally as well. Nutrients for Healthy Skin Your acne could also be a reaction to dairy products. It might prove useful to cut out dairy for about a month and see how your skin reacts to the change. Acne occurs when steroids (androgens) stimulate the sebaceous glands within the skin's hair follicles. These glands then secrete an oily substance called sebum. When sebum, bacteria and dead skin cells build up on your skin, the pores become blocked, creating a zit. When teenagers combine their own surging hormones with dietary saturated animal fat, cholesterol, steroid hormones, dead white blood cells, and cow pus, they're gonna get zits. "As pointed out by Dr. Jerome Fisher, 'About 80 percent of cows that are giving milk are pregnant and are throwing off hormones continuously.' Progesterone breaks down into androgens, which have been implicated as a factor in the development of acne...Dr. Fisher observed that his teenage acne patients improved as soon as the milk drinking stopped." Don't Drink Your Milk, by Frank Oski, M.D. (Director, Department of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine) "Acne usually begins at puberty, when an increase in androgens causes an increase in the size and activity of pilosebaceous glands....if a food is suspected, it should be omitted for several weeks and then eaten in substantial quantities to determine if acne worsens." MERCK Manual, Merck & Company, 2000 "Acne is an end-organ hyper-response to androgens...These data show that sebaceous glands are stimulated by androgens to varying degrees and support the theory of an end-organ response in acne." British Journal of Dermatology, 1998 Jul, 139:1 "Acne vulgaris is a self-limiting skin disorder seen primarily in adolescents, whose etiology appears to be multifactorial. The immunologic response involves both humoral and cell-mediated pathways. Further research should clarify the role of complement, cytotoxins, and neutrophils in this acne-forming response." Postgrad Med J, 1999 Jun, 75:884 "Hormones found in cow's milk include: Estradiol, Estriol, Progesterone, Testosterone, 17-Ketosteroids, Corticosterone, Vitamin D, insulin-like growth factor, growth hormone, prolactin, oxytocin..." Journal of Endocrine Reviews, 14(6) 1992 "We studied the effects of growth hormone (GH) and insulin-like growth factors (IGFs), alone and with androgen, on sebaceous epithelial cell growth...IGF-I was the most potent stimulus of DNA synthesis. These data are consistent with the concept that increases in GH and IGF production contribute in complementary ways to the increase in sebum production during puberty." Endocrinology, 1999 Sep, 140:9, 4089-94 "...serum IGF-I levels increased significantly in the milk drinking group?an increase of about 10% above baseline-but was unchanged in the control group." Journal of the American Dietetic Association, vol. 99, no. 10. October 1999 NOTMILK Poster: Z is for ZITS
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