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03-23-2007, 01:24 AM
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Help integrating supplement and workout plans.
Hi people, I am new here.
I am a Noob and it is going to show in this post, regardless i hope for some good advice.. I just read through the beginners supplement guide that is here: http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/bo...and-stacks.htm I did'nt see an author name anywhere.. I am wanting to know what sort of workout was being done for the prescribed supplement plan.. How long, how often and if possible what exercises. I have just started working out properly and was given a basic guide by a trainer but he has'nt given me any ideas about supplements and i know that i'm going to need them to get the results i want. I am only working out once a week at the moment and am kind of limited as i had surgery on my right hand fairly reacently, my aim however is to put on as much muscle as i can for my film clip (am a professional musician) which is filming august 1st. Right now i am of an average/slim build and i want to be ripped for the clip. To funnel all the things i want into one sentance: I would like help with knowing what sort of workouts i should be doing, and how often in relation to the prescribed use of the supplements. Another thing i would find helpful would be to know if there are any known problems with importing those supplements to Australia.. This is me for anyone interested www.myspace.com/adamsodyssey and i will greatly appreciate the advice.. Adam (psycho synthesis) 
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03-23-2007, 09:42 AM
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Hello Adam,
I believe Jim is the author of the article you read. Honestly, going to the gym 1 time in an entire week is going to get you results. As for the workouts people were doing with the supplement scheme; it could'uve been anything. People could have been cutting or bulking which could change or differ the routine in some way. Ah, routine. That is a word you should get to know and start looking for a good routine if your really serious about adding mucsle. A routine which include upper/lower body workout. Go here: http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/fo...-lifting-chat/. Read the sticky's and there are a ton of great routines to choose from. I'd recommend Max-ot. Do you train at home? If so, what type of equipment do you have access to?
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03-24-2007, 10:13 PM
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Hey Virus, Thanks for the reply..
I have read the first week and start of week 2 in this document (which i take to be the main Max-OT information source). http://www.freedomfly.net/Documents/MAX-OT.pdf I am working out in a gym using a routine which has basically none of the same principles. The principles within it though all seem to make alot of sense and i am excited to start. Question: As i am still recovering from surgery on my right thumb, I can't do any excersizes that need my thumb to grab on.. Eg I can only use bench press machines by using my palm (for the right hand), and I can't really hold any heavy dumbells with that hand.. Bars would be out of the question for about 4 more weeks. In my "noobness", i don't know what most of the exercises that are listed in the first week are however i assume the gym staff will be able to tell me. My question is: Which of the exercises listed in the routine (using bars or dumbells) could i do on machines that are likely to be safe for my hand, and are there any you see as being unwise? My motivation is very high... I began doing heaps of pushups and crunches etc before i had the operation and going everyday to the gym would'nt be a problem but I need to make sure my hand is protected (especially considering i need it to play).. I would appreciate it if you can answer this.. A followup question i have is: would you recommend starting that supplement program immediately? (Assuming i am able to do an effective workout with my hand).. Thanks Last edited by psychosynthesis; 03-24-2007 at 10:25 PM.
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03-25-2007, 09:09 AM
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If your hand hasn't fully healed to where you cannot make a good solid closed grip around a bar or something, then you shouldn't be working out peroid. It's sort of a health hazard plus you could be prolonging the time it would take to heal itself.
Not really too sure about the Austrailia thing as I live in Ohio lol.
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03-25-2007, 09:13 AM
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And no I wouldn't recommend starting a supplement scheme immediately. Get yourself a whey protein and a multi-vitamin and, for the time being until your newbie gains starts to die off, supplement just those items.
When your strength and endurance starts to wear down (maybe after 1.5-2 months of training with a good program) then consider use of supplements. You'll find your strength increasing alot when your a beginner. Enjoy that time peroid where you don't have to supplement anything while getting great workouts n such. None the less I wouldn't worry about anything until your hand is 100% healed. In the mean time if you are as serious as you say, plan and fix your diet. Have you read the sticky's in the diet n nutrition section? Dieting I think plays a bigger role than actually working out. Taking to grow muscles you really can't have one without the other.
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03-30-2007, 03:31 AM
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Hey Virus, I started the program today and did my legs.
I have to say that as far as my legs are concerned i'm ****ed, at the same time i don't feel drained in general like i did with my other workout and i can already see how this would be very sustainable/beneficial. I wanted to ask you if there was somewhere you could direct me to though so i can see what the exercises actually are as i have'nt heard of most of them.. Seperately i see you have very good taste in music! _-A-_
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03-30-2007, 04:46 PM
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Well if that was your first time doing legs I bet you are sore and what not. It'll go away and not be as sore if sore at all the more you do.
As for exercises, you could always post here and people here are nice enough to provide a good detailed description. Probably the best bet is to go to youtube.com and type in the exercise there and look at the free videos that are posted. Be sure to look at different videos to verify the proper form. Google.com or any search engine would be sufficient too.
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04-02-2007, 03:41 AM
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Just wanted to check... The point of supplements is to maintain the body for high levels of exercise...
Your not likley to put on fat by taking things like creatine and L-glutamine are you... =a=
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04-02-2007, 07:37 AM
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What makes you 'think' you will need a supplement to get where you are going? A supplement is just what it says, something to "supplement" your diet/meal when you are not getting enough nutrition through your regular meals. Are you not eating healthy? Not eating enough protien? Getting good carbs into your system? Are you looking at these muscle magazines and thinking these people got this way by taking that stuff?? Help us out here, why such a strong statement to think you need supplements to reach your goal? What is your goal? You put on fat by taking in more calories than you are using.
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04-02-2007, 03:40 PM
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The reason i asked is because bodybuilding supplements would not exist if there was'nt a use for them and the article i referred to indicates very cleary that there is a use.
Sorry but i don't know if you are personally aware of how much creatine you are getting through your daily diet. My "goal" is to put on as much muscle as i can in as little time as possible and starting the max-ot workout the other day (improvising with my healing hand) i can already see some results. My body is'nt in pain after my workouts now either now that i have started taking creatine, L-glutamine and some extra protein. I don't understand the mechanisms too much though which is why i wanted to know if they could potentially make you "fatter" if you were'nt working out enough on them.. Forget it..
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04-02-2007, 06:20 PM
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The only thing that will make you "fatter" is consuming more calories than what your body can burn off. Glad your liking the routine though. Max-ot is awesome!
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04-02-2007, 07:06 PM
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I'm really not used to heavy working out and i started taking creatine and L-glutamine as in that page's recommendations yesterday.
It's probably early to say conclusively but how i feel this morning compared to how i felt yesterday morning is completely different... Definately much stronger and more energetic... Rock tha **** on.
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04-02-2007, 07:48 PM
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I should have mentioned this, or maybe I did?
Since your just starting to actually work out and exercise, you could not take the creatine and save it for when you'll actually need it. You'll find that you endurance and strength will increase without it. You'll also find that, if you stay true to working out, eventually you'll hit a platue and you'll know when you hit one cause your lifts won't get any better and you'll be stuck. Then that is when you should take the creatine to give you back your edge. The protein and l-glut though you could still take.
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04-24-2007, 01:42 AM
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Hey Virus, I was out of action for around 2 weeks because of complications with my thumb but i weighed myself and i had put on 2.5kg (about 5lb) of muscle and essentially lost my stomache... I've just started again and still highly psyched but my question now is about variating the workout to work on specific areas... I just want some basic guidlines how to approach changing the workout so i can focus on enlarging a specific muscle group.
Appreciated _-A-_
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04-24-2007, 04:48 AM
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if you are doing max-ot just follow the program. no need to vary the workouts. it will hit every muscle in your body and will switch things up every month or so. i would definetly take virus's advice and lose the glutamine. in my opinion (but others will disagree) it is useless. creatine is good but like virus said since you're just starting out i'd wait to use it. you'll get ALOT of good advice on this forum. all you have to do is listen. remember 2 words. DIET and WATER.
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