Nutrition on non-training days

[jnewman3]

Hi,

On training days, I take Kre-alkalyn prior to workout and whey protein after workout. On non-training days I take protein shakes that have about 15g of proteins... is there any additional nutrition that I should be taking on non-training days?
How does the body react to excess protein /creatine on non-training days? Please share your thoughts..

Thanks
Jason

[JustAddWater]

You still want to take your supps like whey/creatine on non-training days. Instead of pre/post workout, take it once in the morning for creatine. Whey you can use whenever you need a protein boost, but solid meats are far better. Obviously take your multi every day. Otherwise, just eat, eat, eat.

Excess protein is mostly pissed out. Drink lots of water.

[hrpiii]

Originally Posted by JustAddWater

Excess protein is mostly pissed out. Drink lots of water.

where did this fact come from?

[JustAddWater]

Lol...I think Cammo or someone said that a long while back. I do fully agree that excess can/will be stored as fat or burned as energy, but the body will try to remove anything it feels is in high concentrations. So it is going to try and piss what it can out. My Cardiovascular & Thoracic surgeon suggested this to me.

[mitchcumstein]

Yeah, excess protein is not pissed out. If you have protien in your piss theres a problem.

[sharms7]

Originally Posted by mitchcumstein

Yeah, excess protein is not pissed out. If you have protien in your piss theres a problem.

A BIG problem...

[hrpiii]

Originally Posted by JustAddWater

Lol...I think Cammo or someone said that a long while back. I do fully agree that excess can/will be stored as fat or burned as energy, but the body will try to remove anything it feels is in high concentrations. So it is going to try and piss what it can out. My Cardiovascular & Thoracic surgeon suggested this to me.

True for Vitamins & Minerals, but not protein/carbs/fat. That's like saying I have high concetrations of fat on my waste, but not to worry, I'll just piss it out. Please find a new surgeon. Again, like eating two chickens and pissing one out because you overate.

[musclesntx]

Originally Posted by JustAddWater

Excess protein is mostly pissed out. Drink lots of water.

Any bit of "excess" is stored as fat, just like "excess" fat and "excess" carbohydrates.

I wish that my old journal wasn't deleted

I had several articles I had written to help you understand exactly what protein, carbs and fat do in the body (from a micro prospective)...

Your caloric "requirements" probably aren't as high on non-workout days. That's not to say that you should drastically cut them out, as I have no idea what your goals are. I do believe in cycling calories to keep Leptin levels and leptin sensitivity in check, so your lowest caloric days should be on non-workout days, as working out requires more calories (most of us don't do anything more intense throughout the day than working out).

I think you need to look at your nutrition as a whole and not just your supplemental regimen on non-workout days. Unless you're drastically cutting carbohydrates (like to get into ketosis), protein requirements are usually pretty constant day in and day out for the average person trying to gain some rock/lose some fat. Carbohydrates should be your main source of energy, so manipulate them accordingly.

[JustAddWater]

Yeesh...my very bad then. I explained myself very poorly, so my apologies for the misinformation. Researching it, it seems very small amounts of protein are excreted in urine but this amounts to under 150/100mg per day. A higher number suggests kidney infections or problems.

What I wanted to get at in hindsight was the byproducts of protein metabolism by the body and how that is excreted. How it was explained to me is that amino acid breakdown results in urea/uric acid (too much uric acid leads to gout). It's the liver that breaks down the aminos into these byproducts. So gluconeogenesis (conversion of aminos into glucose) is different from this process and occurs concomitantly. The body must excrete the urea/uric acid and it is the kidneys which do this. If the kidney's can't get do this, such as in sick people, you get Uremia, which is where supposedly the byproducts are excreted thru the skin and is usually in people that are pretty much gonna die.

Hopefully this makes more sense and is on track...My mistake was stupidly writing protein rather than metabolic byproducts.

Blood Urea Nitrogen - [Medical Test]

[JustAddWater]

(Source: Wikipedia - lol, from all the crappyness in the world. I won't let my students use it but I do )

Physiology
The individual atoms that make up a urea molecule come from carbon dioxide, water, aspartate and ammonia in a metabolic pathway known as the urea cycle, an anabolic process. This expenditure of energy is necessary because ammonia, a common metabolic waste product, is toxic and must be neutralized. Urea production occurs in the liver and is under the regulatory control of N-acetylglutamate.

Most organisms have to deal with the excretion of nitrogen waste originating from protein and amino acid catabolism. In aquatic organisms the most common form of nitrogen waste is ammonia, while land-dwelling organisms developed ways to convert the toxic ammonia to either urea or uric acid. Generally, birds and saurian reptiles excrete uric acid, while the remaining species, including mammals, excrete urea. Remarkably, tadpoles excrete ammonia, and shift to urea production during metamorphosis.

The urea is formed in the livers of mammals in a cyclic pathway, from the break down of ammonia, (a metabolic waste), which was initially named the Krebs-Henseleit cycle after its discoverers, and later became known simply as the urea cycle. This cycle was partially deduced by Krebs & Henseleit in 1932 and was clarified in the 1940s as the roles of citrulline and argininosuccinate as intermediates were understood.

In this cycle, amino groups donated by ammonia and L-aspartate are converted to urea, while L-ornithine, citrulline, L-arginino-succinate, and L-arginine act as intermediates.

Humans produce a little uric acid as a result of purine breakdown. Excess uric acid production can lead to a type of arthritis known as gout.

Urea is essentially a waste product; it has no physiological function. It is dissolved in blood (in humans in a concentration of 2.5 - 7.5 mmol/liter) and excreted by the kidney in the urine.

In addition, a small amount of urea is excreted (along with sodium chloride and water) in human sweat.

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Besides renal failure, the level of urea in the blood can also be increased by:

increased production of urea in the liver, due to:
high protein diet
increased protein breakdown (surgery, infection, trauma, cancer)
gastrointestinal bleeding
drugs (e.g. tetracyclines and corticosteroids)
decreased elimination of urea, due to:
decreased blood flow through kidney (e.g. hypotension, cardiac failure)
urinary outflow obstruction

[hmoti69]

What happens if I eat too much protein?

Too much protein is not a problem, unless you really overdose, which would mean eating twice the amount your body needs for a long time. When your body has more protein than necessary, it simply disassembles the excess protein, uses the amino acids it needs, and discards the leftover nitrogen through the kidneys. The body can't store protein the way it stores energy in fat tissues. Sometimes when someone eats too much protein over a long time, the body will either break down the protein and use it as an energy source or deposit it as fat. You virtually never have to worry about children getting too much protein; in fact, parents usually worry about picky eaters not getting enough protein. Excess protein is not usually a worry for adults either, unless they are suffering from kidney disease.