serious advice needed

[Traps]

Originally Posted by joe526

Yes, stack this with cissus, which i will be doing shortly and you'll have great gains.

f.y.i. I believe cissus rx is hormonal....some kind of progestrone......

[joe526]

Originally Posted by Traps

f.y.i. I believe cissus rx is hormonal....some kind of progestrone......

?????

[Traps]

Nevermind....it might be misinformation by a competitor company.....

[joe526]

Its been brought up before that cissus has androgenic properties especially in higher doses.

[ams33]

Originally Posted by Traps

animal stak 2 + animal m stak (2 pills instead of the recommemded 1)
Why take more animal stack then recommended? Makes no sense....

weight gainer that contain complex carbs (optimum s serious mass )
ON Serious Mass is good for serious FAT when taken as directed. The complex carbs is maltodextrin!! I hate weight gainers... They're good for one thing and that might be a little bit first thing in the morning, and a little pre and post workout. Little being one 70cc scoop, no more than 2 .

my coach said that the results will be amazing
most coaches dont know sh*t

10x for the advice traps and here s my point of view :

i considered taking double dosage of m stak because after reading research articles on methoxyisoflavone and ipriflavone , the effective dosage was shown to be 200-400mg of methoxy and 400mg- 800mg of ipri , and the M stak contains 100mg of both that s why i thought of doubling the dose but to be honest i have no experience with that be4 , but i m gonna go with 1 pak per day 1st and then maybe increase it , depend on results

i really dont know but i heard a lot of positive feedbacks regarding the serious mass if taken in big amounts ...the prob traps is that am trying to give bb my most but am a 1st year medical student and the time is a prob so i cannot spend time cooking and eating , thats why am asking for alternatives ...i know what food can do but it s beyond my potentials

about the coach , well he knows a lot but in this particuar issue i dont think he knows much cuz he s more into the juice stuff .....

u really convinced me guys .......i bought the m stak anyway so am gonna go w it be4 buying anything else ....i ll try the serious mass , cuz i can get it at a cheaper price .....as for food i can gurantee 3 heavy meals per day (w out taking the weight gainer into consideration).....am trying my best so pz try to help in a practical way ......10x again

[ams33]

Originally Posted by warri0r87

150g of protein isnt particularly much IMO.

there is a lot of dislike over weight gainers also. i would have to agree. and if it is good quality, then ur paying a lot for it. could get away with buying a better and cheaper 90%min protein powder and add oats and banana to it.

although animal stak 2 and animal m stak r different products, they are trying to achieve some of the same goals. i personally wouldnt stack them. also, do not take more then the recommended dosage UNLESS U KNOW WHAT UR DOING. in otherwords, unless u've had lots of experience behind u, and have done lots of research into these products, had a look at ppls journals and there reactions to certain dosages, then i would not increase it beyond the recommended.

what is ur training routine? what sport r u playing? and most importantly, post a diet. (also, age etc is also good since i'm assuming ur to young for tribulus type stuff).

i dont have an experience behind e i just figured tht out bec the effective dosage of methoxy and ipri are at least 200mg intead of the 100 in the m stak .......and with regard to diet and routine , well i ve been of the gym since a 2 months so am gonna post them when i go back (after 10days)..but u all know my time-situation so they re not gonna meet ur high expectations

[ams33]

Originally Posted by meriaiza

This stack will cost you alot of money and still its not that good i must say.I agree 100% with warri0r87.Your a little to young for tribulus to be effective.On top of that tribulus is not that effective to begin with.By the way how old are you 19-20?

Animal stak 2 + Animal m stak is not that great combo i must say.Although they are different but not that different.Most of the ingredients in them are identical like DHT blockers,Liver detoxifying complex and to some extent Growth hormone secretagogues.Out of these 2 M stack is more effective.

A much more effective combo would be Animal M-Stack + Animal Pump.Animal pump is a great fusion of effective ingredients including CEE and NO.Are you taking any multi?If not then you might consider taking Animal pak.Its a great multi but a bit expensive.

Drop the weight gainer and buy a quality protein blend like ON 100% whey protein or even better ON Pro complex.So if money is not a issue then this will be a great stack...

(1)Animal M-Stack
(2)Animal Pump
(3)Animal Pak
(4)ON Pro complex
(5)100% Egg protein or 100% Casein Protein(As pre bed shake)

This stack along with a sound diet and training routine is bound to produce results.

meri ...i tried the no products be4 and they ddnt do anything for me ...plus am taking a multi vit (stress formula) .....besides all that animal pump is not available here .........i literally , went on my knees and thanked god when i saw the m stak on the shelves ....only small kinds of supps re available here

[ams33]

Originally Posted by joe526

Yes, stack this with cissus, which i will be doing shortly and you'll have great gains.

keep us updated about ur progress on this ok man ...........

[ams33]

am gonna go w the m stak + multi vit+ serious mass +maybe creatine ......i will do my best w respect to food .......the medical school is so stressul and time consuming but am sure am gonna find the help and advice here to manage bb

[warri0r87]

Originally Posted by ams33

i dont have an experience behind e i just figured tht out bec the effective dosage of methoxy and ipri are at least 200mg intead of the 100 in the m stak .......and with regard to diet and routine , well i ve been of the gym since a 2 months so am gonna post them when i go back (after 10days)..but u all know my time-situation so they re not gonna meet ur high expectations

we have high expectations and some r out of reach. i find it hard as well. many ppl on here r students, i'm a student of philosophy and ethics plus various other subjects outside of my degree. i'm a very busy person also.

do ur best, precook some of ur meals if that helps. i havent got this completely sorted out either, but im slowly getting it better. it wont take long till u realise what is and isnt good advice from ppl. and coming here so early into ur training is good. i wish i started here 4years ago when i started training, would've had more solid and productive years . haha

gl, and we will help as much as we can.

[meriaiza]

Originally Posted by ams33

am gonna go w the m stak + multi vit+ serious mass +maybe creatine ......i will do my best w respect to food .......the medical school is so stressul and time consuming but am sure am gonna find the help and advice here to manage bb

I'm not a big fan of NO products either but the best NO products are the blends.Which means products which contains creatine+NO like Animal pump or V-12 turbo.So if your going to buy creatine then either buy one of those.If your looking for a cheap and effective alternative then buy Kre-Alkalyn.Why dont you buy online and save money?

Your stack is looking good now.I'll still say drop the weight gainer and buy whey protein.Good luck

[joe526]

Or just buy NP's Mass Pump Stack.
100g AEE
100g CEE
100g Citruline Malate

19.95

[ams33]

hey guys , thanks for all the advices an support , i cant wait to go back to the gym ....regarding the creatine , there s no kre alk or cee available and am gonna see if the animal pump is available ....the serious mass have creatine in it , i dont know why u all dnt like it : it have whey , egg and casein protein ..plus 5g of creatne per serving plus multi vit and zinc ...if anyone tried it specifically and it ddnt work plz let me knw ......i ll manage to eat more but it all depend on time specially that a biochemistry course will start next week so anatomy and biochem re going to be a tough stack(heheheh) ....i ll keep u updated..............

[meriaiza]

Originally Posted by ams33

hey guys , thanks for all the advices an support , i cant wait to go back to the gym ....regarding the creatine , there s no kre alk or cee available and am gonna see if the animal pump is available ....the serious mass have creatine in it , i dont know why u all dnt like it : it have whey , egg and casein protein ..plus 5g of creatne per serving plus multi vit and zinc ...if anyone tried it specifically and it ddnt work plz let me knw ......i ll manage to eat more but it all depend on time specially that a biochemistry course will start next week so anatomy and biochem re going to be a tough stack(heheheh) ....i ll keep u updated..............

Why dont you buy online?Its cheaper and you'll save time as well.On top of that every supplement is available online.

Ok i'll tell you why i think serious mass is not that great.It has only 1g creatine in it,not 5g like you said.1g creatine will do absoultly nothing for you.It has 40g sugars per serving,thats a lot.The protein in it is of poor quality, mostly consisting of whey concentrate.The vitamens in it are not in high quantity and besides your taking a multi already right?It has only 8 servings for the 6lbs tub and 16 servings for the 12lbs tub.The 12lbs tub costs $49.95!So your only geting 16 servings of a averge quality supplement for $49.95!Still wana buy it?

Buy ON 100% whey protein insted.10Lbs bag costs $79.95 and $55.79 online.Its a quality protein blend consisting mostly of whey protein isolate(which is nowhere to be found in serious mass)

[buwaleed]

Originally Posted by ams33

hey guys , thanks for all the advices an support , i cant wait to go back to the gym ....regarding the creatine , there s no kre alk or cee available and am gonna see if the animal pump is available ....the serious mass have creatine in it , i dont know why u all dnt like it : it have whey , egg and casein protein ..plus 5g of creatne per serving plus multi vit and zinc ...if anyone tried it specifically and it ddnt work plz let me knw ......i ll manage to eat more but it all depend on time specially that a biochemistry course will start next week so anatomy and biochem re going to be a tough stack(heheheh) ....i ll keep u updated..............

oooh i agree with you anatomy and biochemistry are not a good combination .. Dental school isn't nice either . wish you luck. I agree with every one s saying, buy your supplements online they are way cheaper .. you can get stuff half the price.. u in the states?

[joe526]

Originally Posted by meriaiza

Why dont you buy online?Its cheaper and you'll save time as well.On top of that every supplement is available online.

Ok i'll tell you why i think serious mass is not that great.It has only 1g creatine in it,not 5g like you said.1g creatine will do absoultly nothing for you.It has 40g sugars per serving,thats a lot.The protein in it is of poor quality, mostly consisting of whey concentrate.The vitamens in it are not in high quantity and besides your taking a multi already right?It has only 8 servings for the 6lbs tub and 16 servings for the 12lbs tub.The 12lbs tub costs $49.95!So your only geting 16 servings of a averge quality supplement for $49.95!Still wana buy it?

Buy ON 100% whey protein insted.10Lbs bag costs $79.95 and $55.79 online.Its a quality protein blend consisting mostly of whey protein isolate(which is nowhere to be found in serious mass)

Wow, this advice sounds similiar to what people were telling you about muscle juice and you refused to listen to us and continued to praise the sugar juice...

[ams33]

well i wish i can buy online all those great stuff i see online , i spend a lot of time admiring them knowing i cant get them , the prob is that , as most of u know , is that i live in lebanon ....so ordering online is a hard task outside US 1st and 2nd it s harder for a troubeled country like leb ....if u ever heard of a solution to this prob let me know , but as far as i know it s almost impossible (even if it s available it s gona cost me a lot)

as for the whey i tried the on whey for 5 month , ddnt like it much ,,,,how about nitrotech , is it worth the high price ?

[meriaiza]

Originally Posted by ams33

well i wish i can buy online all those great stuff i see online , i spend a lot of time admiring them knowing i cant get them , the prob is that , as most of u know , is that i live in lebanon ....so ordering online is a hard task outside US 1st and 2nd it s harder for a troubeled country like leb ....if u ever heard of a solution to this prob let me know , but as far as i know it s almost impossible (even if it s available it s gona cost me a lot)

as for the whey i tried the on whey for 5 month , ddnt like it much ,,,,how about nitrotech , is it worth the high price ?

If you didnt like ON 100% whey(God knows why)then plese tell me when you find the right whey supplement for yourself.As for Nitrotech,stay the hell away from it.

If money is not a problem and ON Pro Complex is available then buy it.If you'll didnt like it either then belive me this is the last advice i'll ever give you.

[ams33]

Originally Posted by meriaiza

If you didnt like ON 100% whey(God knows why)then plese tell me when you find the right whey supplement for yourself.As for Nitrotech,stay the hell away from it.

If money is not a problem and ON Pro Complex is available then buy it.If you'll didnt like it either then belive me this is the last advice i'll ever give you.

hhehe , calm down bro , i ddnt say i ddnt like on whey bec it s not good , i just feel my body got used to it after 6 months of use so i need a change , i tried the pro complex once it was good but the prob is financial ....anyway , am still undecided about the protein product am gonna use ...i ll keep u updated