When to take your Supplements

[Cammo]

I got my glutamine cheap for helping a supplement wholesaler with some brochures - I don't think I'd pay the sort of money retailers are asking for this stuff.

Traps - I'll take your word for it .

[Traps]

Originally Posted by Cammo

I got my glutamine cheap for helping a supplement wholesaler with some brochures - I don't think I'd pay the sort of money retailers are asking for this stuff.

Traps - I'll take your word for it .

Well...you took it.....were you able to train like a friggen beast and never get sore, ready to hit the same routine with the energy of a 13 year old boy in a porn shop?? Nah....you felt the same. Perhaps you "felt" a little tingle here or a tangle there...lol...but you felt the same....

[Cammo]

Originally Posted by Traps

Well...you took it.....were you able to train like a friggen beast and never get sore, ready to hit the same routine with the energy of a 13 year old boy in a porn shop?? Nah....you felt the same. Perhaps you "felt" a little tingle here or a tangle there...lol...but you felt the same....

I was always under the impression that it helped reduce DOMS so it was hard to judge really - every workout is different in relation to DOMS anyway.

[Traps]

Originally Posted by Cammo

I was always under the impression that it helped reduce DOMS so it was hard to judge really - every workout is different in relation to DOMS anyway.

Reducing DOMS caused by microtears in myofibril tissue is nothing more than recovery....or protein synthesis. If you really want to get rid of DOMS, take some ibuprofin...

[Cammo]

Originally Posted by Traps

Reducing DOMS caused by microtears in myofibril tissue is nothing more than recovery....or protein synthesis. If you really want to get rid of DOMS, take some ibuprofin...

I'm quite attached to my DOMS - lets me know I've worked.

[Traps]

Originally Posted by Cammo

I'm quite attached to my DOMS - lets me know I've worked.

I do like the post workout leucine suggestion of your post and I even gave you a pos rep for it. Leucine is the kick start to protein synthesis.....Leucine as you know is a branched chain amino acid. Free leucine supplementation has been shown in numerous studies to increase protein synthesis....

[narcsarge]

Originally Posted by Cammo

I'm quite attached to my DOMS - lets me know I've worked.

Me too! Especially since I started DL's! Those were the best!

[NiteHawk]

Ive supplemented with glutamine in the past but not for muscle recovery, didnt help that, but for immune system boosting. Not sure but it did help but it could of been a placebo effect.

Most of glutamine taken orally doesnt make it past your stomach anyhow.

[Traps]

Originally Posted by NiteHawk

Ive supplemented with glutamine in the past but not for muscle recovery, didnt help that, but for immune system boosting. Not sure but it did help but it could of been a placebo effect.

Most of glutamine taken orally doesnt make it past your stomach anyhow.

I agree with you nite. I too have supplemented glutamine and it didnt do anything. Although I do believe my ON Whey protein helps my Immune system ALOT. That of course has glutamine......

Some researchers argue that the fall in glutamine levels after exhausting exercise may be related to suppression of the immune system. One investigation of 14 studies found that the self-reported incidence of illness in marathon runners was 32% lower in subjects who had consumed glutamine [9]. However, the mechanism for this is unknown, as most studies have found that glutamine fails to effect exercise-related changes in immune parameters [7, 9, 15]. Two studies have found that glutamine slightly blunts the postexercise increase in circulating neutrophils, but it is unknown whether this is clinically significant [9, 15]. One study also found that among certain marathon runners, glutamine speeded the restoration of circulating lymphocytes [9]. The differences in findings is probably related to differences in study design. It could be that glutamine does not significantly alter the magnitude of postexercise immune changes, but does speed the rate of recovery(of the immune system - Traps), especially in the case of extremely taxing exercise such as marathon running.

[Merk0135]

Originally Posted by Traps

I love being the opposing view...debate is very healthy and we all learn from it.

If only more people thought this way. I'd rep you again if I could.

[Merk0135]

I've never tried Glutamine. To me it makes more sense to just take a full spectrum of BCAAs. Maybe I'm wrong and am missing the point of Glutamine.

[Traps]

Originally Posted by Merk0135

I've never tried Glutamine. To me it makes more sense to just take a full spectrum of BCAAs. Maybe I'm wrong and am missing the point of Glutamine.

Proponents of glutamine say additional supplementation will build muscle, increase glycogen stores and improve immune system

However lets take your question a little further. Why not take just leucine, or just all 3 bcaa's....What purpose does it serve to consume all amino's....I dont have any research to show you(havent tried looking) but I would assume its because of this......

Yes leucine will signal the body for protein synthesis, however muscle tissue is made up of all the essential and non-essential amino's including bcaa's. So these amino's are required to build new tissue, or increase the size of existing tissue.....something like that......I've seen a thread in this forum a long time ago(probably been pruned) by Boyd(musclesntx) on this very topic.

[Merk0135]

Originally Posted by Traps

Proponents of glutamine say additional supplementation will build muscle, increase glycogen stores and improve immune system

However lets take your question a little further. Why not take just leucine, or just all 3 bcaa's....What purpose does it serve to consume all amino's....I dont have any research to show you(havent tried looking) but I would assume its because of this......

Yes leucine will signal the body for protein synthesis, however muscle tissue is made up of all the essential and non-essential amino's including bcaa's. So these amino's are required to build new tissue, or increase the size of existing tissue.....something like that......I've seen a thread in this forum a long time ago(probably been pruned) by Boyd(musclesntx) on this very topic.

Well, I won't touch the leucin issue. I've been doing some reading over at intense muscle and one huge mofo was saying he took leucine immediatly post workout and then his pwo shake 30 minutes later. I believe he took his leucine with creatine as well.

[Traps]

Originally Posted by Merk0135

Well, I won't touch the leucin issue. I've been doing some reading over at intense muscle and one huge mofo was saying he took leucine immediatly post workout and then his pwo shake 30 minutes later. I believe he took his leucine with creatine as well.

I dont think you read this thread, or I'm misunderstanding your statement. I indicated that leucine supplementation is great. Its glutamine that doesnt do jack.....

The study I posted showed that leucine supplementation with protein and carbohydrate increased nitrogen...I posted the leucine study in the first few posts of the first page in this thread.

[Merk0135]

Originally Posted by Traps

I dont think you read this thread, or I'm misunderstanding your statement. I indicated that leucine supplementation is great. Its glutamine that doesnt do jack.....

The study I posted showed that leucine supplementation with protein and carbohydrate increased nitrogen...I posted the leucine study in the first few posts of the first page in this thread.

No, I just misunderstood your last post, muh bad.

[NiteHawk]

Yes, leucine is the big daddy of the BCAA's. Its essential for protein synthesis.

[Fonz]

Originally Posted by dannyboy9

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Traps again.



Agreed. Glutamine is a waste unless it comes from the direct supplementation of BCAAs. Of course unless you want to make supplemental love to the digestive linings of your body then go for it!

I agree with you guys just from biological common sense. Why supplement a non essential very common AA. BCAAs are essential

[Megadeth]

sorry to change gears, but I gotta question. Would it be ok if I drink a protein shake 30 minutes before my work out, then drink a bottle of water with 4 grams of creatine in it, then another protein shake after my work out?

[surferph34]

There are considerable amounts of research into the use of glutamine in bodybuilding and other sports, but with very mixed results.

Some scientific evidence points to glutamine being of little use in bodybuilding, but anecdotal reports and other studies have shown significant benefits. Like I siad very mixed results.

In bodybuilding it is used for the same reasons as in medicine, i.e. aiding recovery, in that weight training stresses our bodies intensely.

However if you look at it from the point of view that when demands for glutamine are high and there is insufficient dietary glutamine, the body cannot manufacture sufficient amounts, so it is taken from muscle stores.

Therefore, not only do we have insufficient amounts for muscle growth, but glutamine is also taken from muscle. Exogenous glutamine is therefore anti-catabolic.

Also, the way in which glutamine is taken is debatable.

Many MRPs are loaded with extra glutamine, and also some quality protein powders contain added glutamine over and above the source of the protein.

Studies have shown that 50 - 85% of supplemented glutamine is not absorbed like Nite has already pointed out, this is due to other amino acids competing for intestinal absorption, so if I was to take it I would take one dose of one to two grams at least half an hour away from other protein sources.

IMO Glutamine has its place for the more advanced bodybuilder, in aiding recovery, but has no real benefit for moderate to beginners.


Surfer

[Babbs]

I'm curious about the creatine 30 mins pre workout.

I've read on one of those creatine information pages that standard creatine mono can take up to 1 hour to enter the blood stream and then it floats around for 1.5 hours and if it isnt absorbed into the muscles, it's converted to creatinine and excreted.

If that's true, wouldnt it be better to take creatine 1 hour pre workout to make absolutely certain that it is in your bloodstream while you are working out?

I got my info from Absolute Creatine. It seems like an independant source but the people that wrote it up are not doctors or anything.