Just some advice please.

[biglc0]

Well, I play football and I'm at the point to where there is a large line

Put it this way. I either gain a lot of muslce and weight w/ a supplement, or I don't get anywhere.

Divison 1 Football Scholarship
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Division 2 Football Scholarship

Now you tell me. I can sit here, take my protein, eat my diet etc, and only get a D2 school after me (Yes I have D1 Schools after me but when they see my strength they leave)

I'm very embarrassed. I'm 6'4 298lbs. 17 years old. I only bench about 280 (I dropped when I got off of some nitric pumps). My squat is a sissy 400. (Two knee surgeries)

So my question is, what should I do? I only have 3 months to get my bench to about 340-350 and my squat to 500. I'm tired of taking the same protein, the same diet, and everything. Is there something out there BESIDES CREATINE that will help me? I've got a friend who's trying to get me on pro-hormones and d-bol., and I'm really confused. I KNOW pro-hormones are illegal, so I don't want to touch them. I've also been told Steriod Stacker and 1-Test Plus is the way to go. Is there anything that is just as good out there to help me get to my goals?

[660Ryder]

How bad do you want it and at what cost. I recently made the decision to play at the DIII level, and don't regret it at all. You can be just average at the upper tier or be the star of the team at a lower level. Think about it. Not to downplay anything; any athlete competing on the collegiate level deserves recognition. The NCAA does require you to sign consent forms for random drug testing at any time - something to keep in mind. Might be a short season or worse off, a short career for some...

[biglc0]

Well, I've been around SEC football all my life, my father was a coach. And I'd kill to play for a Division 1 school. I'm not looking to go professionally, but I need it to get a great education and the schools that are top notch for what I want to major in are up there. I'd do anything really to get that D1 scholarship. I go through the same routine etc, and I haven't gotten any stronger. I'm at a plateau, and I need to break it.

[mywetnightmares]

Anagen, Cissus RX, mega dose BCAAs, x-factor are all legal, natural and won't make you fail a drug test. If I were you I'd do something like this (assuming you have cash to spend)

Week 1-infinity: BCAAs 50+ g/day, GEE 10-12 g/day
Week 1-9: X-Factor 5 caps/day
Week 10-18: CEE 5g/day
Week 10-18: Anagen 6 caps/day
Week 10-18: Cissus RX or bulk Cissus Q 3-4 g/day

Make sure you're getting 1.5-2 g protein per pound lbm per day for various sources.

I should also add that your joints might get a little achy on the X-Factor and post workout soreness will increase, it's one of the side effects and nothing to worry about. If it starts hurting really bad don't take any anti-inflammatory agents (aspirin, ibuprofen, acetominophen), they will negate the mechanism that makes X-factor work.

[biglc0]

Thanks a lot for that advice. Now, is there just one supplement that can cover all of that or not? Reason why, #1 could be a little expensive, #2 I already had bad times with Creatine (Water retention) and I don't want to take another chance. If you guys recommend that over anything else, I'll go ahead and do that program, but if you know of fewer things to take then let me know.

Edit: What do you think about 1-Test Plus?

[mywetnightmares]

Well X-factor dosed at 5 caps a day will help you gain muscle mass, but you have to follow directions as far as what you can and can't take with it. it'll make your joints a little achy which is why I recommended the Cissus right after it. Anagen is a natural anabolic and would serve to keep you gaining muscle after x-factor. In order for BCAAs to work you have to megadose them and because of your size I think 50 grams would be a good dose. GEE isn't necessary, but I thought it was a good addition and would help with recovery. CEE is creatine, but it's not creatine monohydrate so you won't have to deal with many of the sides commonly associated with monohydrate.

1-test is a steroid, so 1-test plus would probly not be a good idea at your age.

[iko172202]

Originally Posted by biglc0

I'm very embarrassed. I'm 6'4 298lbs. 17 years old. I only bench about 280 (I dropped when I got off of some nitric pumps). My squat is a sissy 400. (Two knee surgeries)

I KNOW pro-hormones are illegal, so I don't want to touch them. I've also been told Steriod Stacker and 1-Test Plus is the way to go. Is there anything that is just as good out there to help me get to my goals?

If your 17 you NEED TO STAY AWAY FROM PROHORMONES/STERIODS! At your age you could do permanant damage to yourself-not worth it. I tried dianabol at 16-17 (cuz I was a total idiot) and as a result will forever have high blood pressure (as diagnosed from the doc- he knows about the riods). Also not all prohormones are illegal (i think), but you would fail a drug test with most (for example Halodrol tells you you'll fail a drug test right in the box). I know how frustrating the same diet..the same protien...and the same bullsh*t can get, but stick with it and try out "wieghtnightmares" suggestions and you''ll go far! Remember the wieght room breaks down the muscle to prepare and initiate growth, the muscles grow with the proper nutrition and rest...good luck

[phat chick]

I think you should post up your diet. You are 17---have you really mastered tailoring your diet to your training and body type/chemistry? Likely not. I don't mean that as a dig....it takes YEARS to develop understanding of how to encorporate your own personal "magic ratios", meal timing, overall calorie consumption and food choice to YOUR body and YOUR athletic goals. I am 28 and I am a national level fitness competitor, I've experimented a LOT with nutrition. I still hire a diet coach and it never ceases to truly amazes me how some small dieting changes can massively change my physique. I have spent most of my twenties learning about nutrition (and trying to apply it) and there is still so many untapped experiments and resources i have yet to play with.

Secondly, your natural test levels are likely at their highest at your age anyway. I also subscribe to the philosophy that younger people should NOT dabble into anabolics.

Thirdly, again, you are 17 and do not have the muscle maturity that one ideally "should" have before even considering anabolics.

Forthly, your friend may not have told you this (ALWAYS ALWAYS do your own research), your estrogen levels will also increase...you may need to consider using an anti-E like when you come off your AAS of choice. YOu could get gyno (man boobs!). So now you have to factor in yet another consequence (and there are many more).

Reason number 5... gains made on AAS at your level of inexperience (not to discredit your training, but it's not like you have 20 years of weight training under your belt) are not that great. Once you're 'off cycle' starts, it is very difficult to maintain those gains. You are up & down-ing a lot in weight, size and strength. Slow and steady gains are better and you keep those. Once you get 'caught up' in anabolic use, it is very rare that you ever stop. The psychological impact of being off them is difficult for many men. Now suddenly you aren't as big and can't lift as strong. It's similar to how a woman feels when whe loses a bunch of bodyfat and then proceeds to re-gain it.

Reason numero 6... can you really afford it? The stuff aint cheap on TOP of the cost of food and other OTC suppliments, and the general cost of living, as you will soon find out ;-P

I have no problems with educated and experienced athletes (who are FULLY aware of the consequences and have FULLY considered the cost-benifit ratio) who use anabolics. I just feel that in your situation, it's not such a wise route to follow at this particular point in your life and training.

Just my 0.02 ;-P

[narcsarge]

I want to agree w/ phat chick here. I tried all sorts of wacky stuff as a teenager. Most it was what I read in musclehead magazines. But I did not know a lot about diet, protein intake, glucose index, etc. Heck I just now learned that you should cycle Creatine! Read, learn, get curious. Ask a ton of questions to people you trust and admire. Not to put you down but you are not the first person to be in this situation. Find someone that made to where you want to be and they way YOU want to get there. Being all natural, I judge anyone that uses synthic means or illegal means to get big as being a cheat. But they also have the right to make their own decisions. Also, I will never be Arnold, or Tom Platz, or Lee Haney but that is fine with me. You have to decide what priorities you have and how are you going to meet them. Good luck

[Poobah]

3 months isn't alot of time...

but 300 bucks, will buy you 3 months with my trainer... and I'm fairly confident it's enough time to get you close to or beyond a 350 bench, and he might be able to help you hit that squat too..

You'll need a way to take vids of your lifts (I use a simple digital camera), and more then likely he'll suggest you buy some lifting bands to aid in training, or make some boards, it all depends on what you have available at your gym.

But i'm sure he could make a big impact.. and it's natural too.

If your intereseted you can find him at my log here:

http://www.mightysworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1187

He goes by exmgq, and his real name is John Pinder.

Best thing is, you'll see large improvements with just changes to form.... but he will make you stronger too.. without a doubt.. (this guy kicks our asses combined.)

[stb24]

Poobs has a good point....a good trainer goes a long ways. At 17 bro, your green, and that not an insult. Training for strength, PL, BB, whatever all have similar concepts, but need different attributes to make whichever one more successful.

Supplement wise @ 17 use Kre-Alayn if you use creatine....you will get MUCH BETTER strength gains with 0 water retention, and you can get some caps for cheap. My .02 as well.

[biglc0]

Again, thanks all for the help.


Now, I haven't figured out my diet over the summer. The amount of running and weight lifting I will be doing will be gut check. So, I'm trying to figure out a way to keep my weight up w/o fat.


As for a trainer, I have one. My father was a strength and conditioning coach for nfl/college. So, I go to him for work-outs etc. He's put me on many diets, but only a few have worked.


Now, the reason why I want to do these supplements is because I've seen amazing gains for kids my age using them. Permanent and still increasing gains after 1 bottle. After 1 bottle of a pro-hormone my friend's squat went up 150lbs. His bench went from 210lbs to 300lbs. He's about 6'1 210-220lbs.

Now some of you might be saying "What is this kid thinking?" But it's hard to make a decision when you see people point the finger at someone who's stronger than you, evem though you are twice their size.

[mywetnightmares]

For the whole 18 or so weeks the cost would look something like this (and remember this is a breakdown for about a 5month period so the cost will look higher than it actually is).

X-Factor 3 bottles X $45 a bottle= $135
CEE 500 g= $20
Anagen 4 bottles X $20 a bottle = $80
Cissus 300 g = $60
BCAA 4 kg = $126 (I adjusted the dose to 30 grams for cost reasons, for 50 grams/day it would cost about $216)

Altogether that's about $420 give or take some for shipping and and such. That comes out to aproximately $25/week for 18 weeks.

In comparison my next four week AAS cycle+PCT will cost about the same, actually a little more. When you take a cost/benefit analysis for someone your age the natural path wins out, at least for now. Wait til' you're older for the AAS.

[stb24]

Originally Posted by mywetnightmares

Wait til' you're older for the AAS.

.....or NEVER??

[iko172202]

Originally Posted by biglc0

But it's hard to make a decision when you see people point the finger at someone who's stronger than you, even though you are twice their size.

This can be frustrating...believe me, dont you think we've all been there....here you are benching lets say 280lbs and you look over your shoulder and another dude benching 350lbs.I know it can suck at first but again thats a 17 year old mentality....meaning once you progress through the years of trial and error (and believe me you'll have some errors) you'll begin to realize that its not about how much weight you move its about technique and proper lifting to properly stimulate the muscles you want. If you try and bench more than you supporting muscles can handle for instance; you'll look like a unbalanced dumbass.....focus on yourself and eating right...lifting right...and sleeping right... not on your buddy who can out lift you. Everyone can grow in size and strengh this is a scientific fact thats undisputeable (for the normal human being), you just have to keep trying...if one diet doesnt work than go to the next one (make sure you give it time to work - at least 21-28 days), if one lifting routine is not good go to the next..and so on. Ask any member on here how many times we've changed our diet or our lifting routine and watch the numbers FLY!....keep at it and good luck

[narcsarge]

Originally Posted by iko172202

This can be frustrating...believe me, dont you think we've all been there....here you are benching lets say 280lbs and you look over your shoulder and another dude benching 350lbs.I know it can suck at first but again thats a 17 year old mentality....meaning once you progress through the years of trial and error (and believe me you'll have some errors) you'll begin to realize that its not about how much weight you move its about technique and proper lifting to properly stimulate the muscles you want. If you try and bench more than you supporting muscles can handle for instance; you'll look like a unbalanced dumbass.....focus on yourself and eating right...lifting right...and sleeping right... not on your buddy who can out lift you. Everyone can grow in size and strengh this is a scientific fact thats undisputeable (for the normal human being), you just have to keep trying...if one diet doesnt work than go to the next one (make sure you give it time to work - at least 21-28 days), if one lifting routine is not good go to the next..and so on. Ask any member on here how many times we've changed our diet or our lifting routine and watch the numbers FLY!....keep at it and good luck

To go along with this, READ! Understand the basic principles with diet and exercise and be BRUTALLY honest with yourself. Are you 100% committed to your diet? To your workout? To your goal? At 17, I wasn't! And don't take what we say here as gospel either. The posters here offer you years of experience and what worked for them/us. But we are not you. Don't let me discourage you. I hope to motivate you by allowing you to educate yourself and use that knowledge, along with what has been posted here, to achieve your goal.

[stb24]

Originally Posted by narcsarge

To go along with this, READ! Understand the basic principles with diet and exercise and be BRUTALLY honest with yourself. Are you 100% committed to your diet? To your workout? To your goal? At 17, I wasn't! And don't take what we say here as gospel either. The posters here offer you years of experience and what worked for them/us. But we are not you. Don't let me discourage you. I hope to motivate you by allowing you to educate yourself and use that knowledge, along with what has been posted here, to achieve your goal.

^Bump!

[biglc0]

Again, thanks.

I posted my diet in an earlier post. Is there something wrong with mine? If so, could someone post a great diet for a lineman size person? Also, I'd like to lose a lot of body fat. I'm about 22% body fat, but I'd like to keep my weight up to about the 300 range. I'd be 100% committed to the diet that you guys post.

Also, at 17, I don't have a whole lot of money to spend on supplements. The max I am willing to spend is $200 for the WHOLE 3 months. So if anyone doesn't mind, help me there too.

I'm here to gain weight and muscle. And I'm open for anything. And so far this has helped a bunch.

[Vfbt68]

Originally Posted by mywetnightmares

For the whole 18 or so weeks the cost would look something like this (and remember this is a breakdown for about a 5month period so the cost will look higher than it actually is).

X-Factor 3 bottles X $45 a bottle= $135
CEE 500 g= $20
Anagen 4 bottles X $20 a bottle = $80
Cissus 300 g = $60
BCAA 4 kg = $126 (I adjusted the dose to 30 grams for cost reasons, for 50 grams/day it would cost about $216)

Altogether that's about $420 give or take some for shipping and and such. That comes out to aproximately $25/week for 18 weeks.

In comparison my next four week AAS cycle+PCT will cost about the same, actually a little more. When you take a cost/benefit analysis for someone your age the natural path wins out, at least for now. Wait til' you're older for the AAS.

where can u order that form? wat site.